Dravid's achievements to date: 1. Declaring with Tendulkar on 195 2. Losing the 2nd Test in Pakistan by batting first (no one knew why he did that!) 3. Beating Bermuda in the World cup
RE:RE:Dravid the Great
by on Jul 09, 2007 05:47 PM
Ganguly won becoz he made the team to belive in his ability with his leadership quality and for the team dravid has to play, that why he is there. But player playes becoz of leader's belief in his ability .
RE:RE:RE:Dravid the Great
by Ifear paceman on Jul 09, 2007 07:27 PM
Now more SO MUCH FOR THE CAPTAINCY.. Even then we lost to Bangladesh in 2004-2005 - 2nd Match at Bangabandhu National Stadium (26/12/2004)when Gangs was there as a Captain. result: Bangladesh Won by 15 Runs Man of Match: Mortaza now Captain Ganguly India South Africa 1st IND v SAF 09/03/2000 Nehru Stad. (Kochi),India won by 3 wickets Now you can see Donald who was there in tests opted out,Clusner did not bowl but he was there in the squad. Pollock,Kallis,N Boje did not finish their quota.Cronje,Hayward, Williams,Crookes finishing rest of the overs.
2nd IND v SAF 12/03/2000 Keenan Stadium India won by 6 wickets What they are up against? same bowling despite earlier defeat. Same bowling pattern. 4th IND v SAF 17/03/2000 IPCL Sports Complex India won by 4 wickets.
What was cooking up. Did South Africa wanted themselves to loose? Inspite of being two one down in five match series. This should be do or die match for SA. Same bowling pattern. yes Real great captaincy by Ganguly and match management by Dalmia combine.He not only motivated Indian players but South African
RE:Dravid the Great
by Ifear paceman on Jul 09, 2007 07:24 PM
Arre... that time Gillespie was only bowler, all other star bowlers were rested by Australia. Bowlers that time were, J N Gillespie, B A Williams, S C G MacGill, A J Bichel, S M Katich, S R Waugh
How many overs he can Bowl?
Dravid first inning 233 runs Laxman 148 runs. Dada ? 2 mere runs
second inning Dravid 72 sehwag 47 and our great Bengal Paper Tiger 12 runs......
he was the greatest captain,just give him any team n c the result.my opinion is that dont ever argue about his captain ship.he is proud of our nation , a diomond.
RE:ganguly the captain
by Arun Mehra on Jul 10, 2007 05:14 PM
Hi Dinesh, How many finals has Dravid taken the team to. According to you a guy who comes last in the class is better than who comes second. Strange logic.
RE:ganguly the captain
by Ifear paceman on Jul 09, 2007 07:28 PM
SO MUCH FOR THE CAPTAINCY.. Even then we lost to Bangladesh in 2004-2005 - 2nd Match at Bangabandhu National Stadium (26/12/2004)when Gangs was there as a Captain. result: Bangladesh Won by 15 Runs Man of Match: Mortaza now Captain Ganguly India South Africa 1st IND v SAF 09/03/2000 Nehru Stad. (Kochi),India won by 3 wickets Now you can see Donald who was there in tests opted out,Clusner did not bowl but he was there in the squad. Pollock,Kallis,N Boje did not finish their quota.Cronje,Hayward, Williams,Crookes finishing rest of the overs.
2nd IND v SAF 12/03/2000 Keenan Stadium India won by 6 wickets What they are up against? same bowling despite earlier defeat. Same bowling pattern. 4th IND v SAF 17/03/2000 IPCL Sports Complex India won by 4 wickets.
What was cooking up. Did South Africa wanted themselves to loose? Inspite of being two one down in five match series. This should be do or die match for SA. Same bowling pattern. yes Real great captaincy by Ganguly and match management by Dalmia combine.He not only motivated Indian players but South African
dravid and that greg chappel also inherited the team that ganguly had( nurtured !!), why did india go out in the 1st round in the world cup? compare it u reached the finals under ganguly...u sidelined your best captain got thrown out of world cup..u will never learn.. bcoz your system is not based on meritrocacy but sycophony..politics.. and god knows wat else!!!
RE:is it?
by Sanjeev Verma on Jul 09, 2007 12:10 AM
Do you think that we would have reached finals in WC'03 with the current performance of Tendulkar. Gangulu owes most of his victories to the great performance of Dravid, Lakshman, Tendulkar and Kumble. Under Dravid, new Team India is emerging.
RE:RE:is it?
by Arun Mehra on Jul 10, 2007 05:21 PM
And teams like pakistan, england, new zealand whom India beat till the finals were your uncles and aunties who were playing.
RE:is it?
by Ifear paceman on Jul 09, 2007 07:31 PM
Gangu fans tell about victory and leveling 3 match series an Australia. one match drawn.
Arre... and about the match we won...
that time Gillespie was only bowler, all other star bowlers were rested by Australia. Bowlers that time were, J N Gillespie, B A Williams, S C G MacGill, A J Bichel, S M Katich, S R Waugh
How many overs he can Bowl?
Dravid first inning 233 runs Laxman 148 runs. Dada ? 2 mere runs
second inning Dravid 72 sehwag 47 and our great Bengal Paper Tiger 12 runs......
RE:RE:is it?
by Arun Mehra on Jul 10, 2007 05:37 PM
Even if Australia had sent their B team, Dravids team would have lost, till he was shamelessly licking chappels as... By the way it was Gangulys hundred which set the tone in the series. So not as if he was sucking his thumb when all others were scoring runs. Again in south africa it was ganguly who arrived and scored those 80 runs in the tour match and made them believe in themselves. Or else all the guys were not even able to trust themselves and score even in twenties. A leader is one who makes the team believe in them selves, thats what we are talking about here. I am sure there are many many better batsmen than ganguly, so dont divert from topic, and keep sounding like a stuck record.
RE:is it?
by Sanjeev Verma on Jul 09, 2007 12:16 AM
Shewag and Harbhajan are already out of team. Dravid also nurtured Raina and Sreesanth. Yuvi really established in team because of the efforts of Dravid. India did not go to final because we changed our selection team before the WC. It was wrong to bring Ganguly in the team. We should have stayed with Raina and Kaif instead of disturbing the team. Also in WC'03, Tendulkar was in peak form. In this world cup, Tendulkar was completely out of form.
In fact, we are seeing many new faces in the team.
RE:is it?
by Arun Mehra on Jul 10, 2007 05:17 PM
Wow, what stars Dravid has nurtured, Raina after playing for 1 year averages in mid twenties, and Sreenath still not even a regular member of the team. How many players were destroyed by Chappel and Dravid combo, Sehwaag,Pathan,Harbajan all match winners. Guys judge for yourselves.
RE:dada
by Sanjeev Verma on Jul 08, 2007 10:29 PM
He was a good captain but in the future we will have better captains. Remember Azhar was the best captain before Ganguly became capatain.
RE:dada
by Ifear paceman on Jul 09, 2007 07:32 PM
Azar records are as good as Ganguly a shade better.... That time Zimbabwe, Bangla desh were not test playing nations....
RE:RE:dada
by S Narain on Jul 08, 2007 11:07 PM
You are phony!!! with a phony name!!! WITH DISHONEST COMMENTS!!!!!!!!!! BE HONEST TO SHOW YOUR TRUE FACE!!!!!
you guys are completely crazy. ganguly is gone as captain, instead of focussing on the future, all you people are doing is arguing over the past. wake up fellas, ganguly did what was expected off him, to lead the team, now its dravid's turn, instead of criticizing him he should get the support of the nation.
RE:crazy people
by Sanjeev Verma on Jul 08, 2007 10:18 PM
Yes, I fully agree with you. We have just won against SA in an overseas series. It was the first time that we won against SA in an overseas series. We should be happy. Dravid does not show his aggression the way Ganguly used to show by removing his shirt or by arguing with rival capatins.Dravid is different and he does not believe in showing open aggression.
RE:crazy people
by Sanjeev Verma on Jul 08, 2007 10:27 PM
I think that the best thing about Dravid is the he leads by example by playing crucial innings in crunch situations. Under Ganguly's captainship, he played some very crucial against Australia. Last world cup also, he played very well against SL but unfortunately he did not get any support from the other end.
Someone who is involved in match fixing and taking money from bookies ? Someone who never did anything great as captain ? He should question himself before making a comment on one of the great captains.
I would say Andy Flower summed up the discussion well. Whatever Ganguly faced in the past 2 years is because of Jealousy and Selfish deeds of some powerful people and media.
Just watch the video Rediff has at the middle of this article. Everybody says so many positives and Rediff writes and tries to give a negative impression on it.
RE:Rediff should start this now :-)
by Rohit Saha on Jul 09, 2007 03:29 PM
Generally media is biased, we see so much happeneing around us and the same thing is protrayed in different flavours according the lobby they follow, like you would never see Bhisen Singh Bedi or Syed Kirmani appreciating Gamguly or you would never see East Zone selectors appreciating Rahul's Captaincy. In my opinion Rahul is shaping up as a captain and should be consulting Ganguly and Tendulkar more and should work more towards finding a true leader (may be Dhoni or Karthik) for WC 2011 and I believe WC'11 will break the Aussie jinx if things are planned correctly.
I just hope that the Indian board does something sensible by looking for leadership qualities rather than go by seniority.
I like Ganguly captaincy becausei saw him imbibe killer instinct into the team.
While I like Dravid for his skills as a batsman and for his composure on field.
RE:Rediff should start this now :-)
by Suneel kumar on Jul 10, 2007 06:08 AM
Yep I too agree Dravid is shaping up well and he needs to et the tips from Sachin and Saurav. 2011 for sure is not for Australia. It will be own by one of the Asian teams.
Dravid is an efficient hunter like african lioness.As a group they can kill the prey and easily driven up by bunch of hyenas.It requires a male lion to lead the group to chase away the hyenas.Solely he was a lion for the group.Male lion often,doesnt go for hunting on its own.But it is definitely required to lead the pack.
Only think I didn't like in this article is the mention of Chappell mail and not comparing other indian captains records excluding stats against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe.
Chappell is the worst coach ever, coach is supposed gain the faith of the team members not find excuses every time and play blame game every time team looses.
Imagine what are Chappell's expectations if he is not happy with Sachin itself (comments he made about Sachin after WC loss).
We want to take the view of useless fellow who used Under Arm Blowing as an excuse to win a Game against NZ. He is the one who talks about expected behaviors of the team. What a Shame. That too during his days Cricket was still a Gentleman's Game.
He has problems with Saurav, Sachin, Yuvraj, Shewag, Harbhajan. So basically he is not happy with 50% of the tam and almost all seniors except Dravid, Lakshman and Kumble.
Can Rediff can suggest some tactial moves Chappel l suggested during his tenure ?
Every time team wins he will come and give big interview in the media, but every time team looses he needs a person to blame.
A good coach will never discuss team member weakness in the media. He does that every time. He talks Sachin will never be at his best, Pathan is not as good as he used to be. All these comments tell he lacks basic qualities of coach. So his letter is best ignored.
