At one point of time, The director says that Periyar is againts caste system and agaist god, but when it comes to Poojas, he says the lower caste should be made poojaris. It clearly shows that he is jelous against brahmins and not clear about what he wants to do.. Again a person who talked to abolish caste system wanted caste based system. It shows his crookedness at that time..dividing india on the basis of caste for votes. If he has respected women, why did he marry to a young girl..who is like daughther to him?
Today if brahmins are in a good poste and doing good for the country, it is simply becasue of their hard work, intelligence and good family enviornment where they born and broughtup. Even after giving reservation for the lower class on the basis of caste for more than 50years, why they are not coming up in their life? It is beacuse, only the best brain can acquire knowledge and it cannot be given on reservation. It is still worse even in the caste basesd reservation, there is a reservation inside the sub caste.. You people should understand that dirty politicians are taking the advantage of your poverty and they really not interestd in your growth. If you have to grow, believe in yourself like Brahmins do..
RE:The film director is an idot like Periyar
by on Apr 30, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
we brahmins lost faith so called social justice. we don't want our next generation to grow in that society. My kids don't know who is he. we are moved to other part of world where opportunities welcomes.
RE:RE:The film director is an idot like Periyar
by u pm on Apr 30, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
Then India will be left with idiots like you. And india becomes a reserved country for the rest of the work. Please donot ask reservation with other countries.....
History says that hindus were oppressed during muslim rule in India [Kilji rule, Aurangazeb etc.,]. As oppressed people for 400 years, all hindus need quota based on the population.
RE:Hindu is a oppressed community - All hindus need quota
by jawahar peter on Apr 30, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
send your request george bush for more h1b visas to brahmin software labourers.
RE:Hindu is a oppressed community - All hindus need quota
by bvp kiran on Apr 30, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
why should Bush comes into picture..as well H1 B. Those who have brain's they will have Grand welcome all over the world. Knowledge is Power.
RE:RE:Hindu is a oppressed community - All hindus need quota
by Ravishankar Kandallu on Apr 30, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
Mr Jawahar Peter
Your fore fathers are hindus remember that. They were also oppressed by muslims. So come back to hinduism as a mark of respect to your fore fathers. Together we will send message to George bush. OK .
This message and its reply is reported for abuse.can anyone tell what is wrong with this. If you can't digest realities better keep away from the forum.
Brahmans are the most oppurtunistic population in this planet. Previously they exploited lower caste people (lower caste females were not allowed to wear blouse, Males were not allowed to sit with them and many more; read ambedkar's history). If they were educated and if they are educated is not to develop nation or society it is because they want to develop themselve and agony is that they are liar and portray that they are the one who think about the nation first. Biggest suckers......
RE:Brahminism
by Sunil Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
yeah, harshad Mehta, Telgi, politicians, all develop themselves and u want to say they actually develop nations....
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by Sunil Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
no, in UP more that 80% beurocrates are uppar cast people and among them most of them are brahmins. Everybody has a multistorey building in Gomti Nagar and Aliganj by developing nation. They put their muhalla name as tiwari tola, mishra nagar, pandaypur. they just believe in equality among indians (Brahmins).... happy now you are...
RE:Brahminism
by u pm on Apr 30, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Boss R u working for the country/people? Or for yourself? Ambedkar had a idea that lower caste people will grow within 10 years when given reservation, but even after 50 years of reservation, why backward peopel are not growing? It is mainly becasue of their reserved brain which cannot take anything inside...Nor it is ready to get what it want by hard work..but want to be pushed up by reservation. Ambedkar is another oppurtunist.
RE:Brahminism
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 11:49 AM Permalink
Sunil Kumar has confessed that he follows the aryan dravidian theory, where race, migration, war, colonialism etc matters.
What is wrong with all those sick racist analysis ? The same thing wrong with your posts , Sunil.
Ambedkar was a dalit, just like Jinnah was an islamist. Ambedkar was employed by british untill Indian independence.
Mind by nature is violent. Religion is the concept introduced to regulate mind.In any society, there will be some kind of social order one group or other; Most of the people did 't study in India during pre 1980 not because of Brahmin, Parents don't want to send them by saying u will not get any job. I know most of the South people migrate to Mumbai after long 4 years idle period after degree in home by taking all embarassment from Parent & visiting relatives. Govt of that day failed to act & did n't get confidence of the people about education & its benefit. The same with Muslim community & they can't progress unless they educate & give respect to their women. Reservation can't solve their problem.
So, DON'T PASS ALL THE BUGS TO BRAHMIN IN GENERAL.
I see most of the Brahmins are pursuing very humble life & represent soft characters to others except few. Bad face of Brahminism is caused due to economical factors & very few arrogant mind that humliate others. But every other caste is also doing the same. Anti Brahminsm is the good selling concept for the politician & where they are in minority.
People may say Varnam & they have to understand one basic idea. In ur village, if u employ other village people for ur farm work, they will stage dharna. Is it correct? They want to pursue some order based on the people or by group strength. People life itself is the evolving concept there needs to be an control mechanism for the regulation purpose of that day order. U don't apply this day matured(?) mind with century back life.
Do we need to now think Brahminism as the bad idea? Don't confuse the principle with people.
RE:Does he was against Hinduism ?
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
there r lot of superstitions in christianity and muslims also. they all believe in super natural power. former consider 13 as unlucky and later consider 786 as lucky.
RE:Does he was against Hinduism ?
by Kishore on Apr 30, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
superstions are a part of humanity, Want examples .. 1) Draculas , 2) Black Cat 3) 666 , Number of Devil 4) Burquas etc etc ..
It is not the point , The point is to raise above them and be a better person which I am sorry to say Suresh you will never be in your life time Character not money or fame defines a person , and needless to say you have none of them .
RE:RE:Does he was against Hinduism ?
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
i have read some protion of bible once in a hotel. there are lot of superstitions in that. woman is treated as a second class person in it. christians talk of rebirth of christ. is it scientific?
RE:RE:RE:Does he was against Hinduism ?
by sabu abraham on Apr 30, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Ram Sharma,if you have doubts regarding Bible,regarding creation,caste system,how women is treated,rebrith of Christ ect.ect. if you want the answers sincerely(remember we all christians are converted from various religions)my dear brother please feel free to ask me my mail id is sabuab@rediffmail.com
RE:Does he was against Hinduism ?
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Naikar was trained in racist theories, he used that, as was vogue by westerners at that time to discredit the colonial subjects.
RE:Does he was against Hinduism ?
by bvp kiran on Apr 30, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
There are lot of superstitions in Christianity.. They believe Satan is evil, and snake as evil. They think 13 as unlucky number.They do Halloween day every October. If you don't know about other religions then don't comment on Hinduism.
The IAS officer was wrong in his conviction. Periyar and his ilk including the present DMK are dead against brahmins who they considered and continue to consider as people of aryan race and hence taboo. Periyar politics has only sown seeds of communalism in the country. DMK &ADMK are the direct descendants of Periyar and his barbaric policies.
Even though i dont like his views against Hinduism. He was a true genious in opposing Hindi imposotion in Tamil Nadu.
Otherwise it would have created Hindi Chauvunism. Already it is there in many places. People from Hindi heartland assume that Hindi is the only language, so everone should speak in Hindi only.
Even a typical educated Northis give priority to Hindi not English.
Hindi already killed Marathi,Assame,kannada culture. In the years to come the surving language in India will be Hindi and other languages which is againt Hindi.
One point they often forget is Hindi is an offshoot of Afghans,Arabs marriage with Sanskrit.
SO English should be our national language(Atleast it promises job in MNC) and we should give priority to Reginal Languages.
RE:Hindu Chavunism
by Akash on Apr 30, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Hindi emerged out of khadi boli not arabic mixed with sanskrit- Khadi boli emerged out of brij, awadhi, persian and sanskrit and yes no one is forcing tamils to speak hindi, Tamil is one of the official languages of India alongside Hindi, When I am writing this I am writing this in English, so the fact is I am bilingual as you might be, in fact I can speak Hindi,English and Bhojpuri and not have prejudice against any other language, in the south they do have prejudice against Hindi, but the northis as you call them don't have prejudice against you, if something happens it is in reaction to what all you say in the south about people from the Hindi speaking areas, It seems as though you want the Hindi speaking people to speak your language, whether it be Tamil or whether it be the language of chauvinism but in either cases I want to assure you we are not like you, we will speak what we prefer to speak and you can speak whatever you like, no one tells you don't speak in Tamil so stop LTTE Politics in India, you are from Tamil Nadu not Tamil Ealam to talk all this nonsense and Hindi speaking people are not Sinhalese whom you are talking against. Finally
RE:Hindu Chavunism
by Bengal Tiger on Apr 30, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
You are mistaken, in the north people are very much prejudiced against non-hindi people, in fact they resort to jokes on those peoples. Even people from Bihar are not spared and are made the butt of jokes for their style of speaking hindi. So, maybe its wake up time for you, because you should be aware of the true colors of the so called non - prejudiced folk.
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by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
people all over like their own type first. i lived in bengal for 30 years. since i can speak very good bengali also, on two or three occassions, some bengalis told me that non-bengalis are not good. a bengali friend even told me that benglis residing outside bengal are not good. so this feeling is not because of hindi language. it is all over the world. once in uk, someone from wales told me that they are the best in uk.
RE:Hindu Chavunism
by Bengal Tiger on Apr 30, 2007 12:21 PM Permalink
Being proud is different from being prejudiced, making jokes out of communities, ensuring a stereotyped image of non-hindi speakers as losers in Bollywood etc. has not gone down well. No wonder Hindi has failed as a national language. English day by day is soaring in popularity, take for this discussion board, who wants to waste their time typing in Hindi?:)
RE:Hindu Chavunism
by rangaswamy soundararajan on Apr 30, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
I beg to differ from you - Language has nothing to do with relegion. Rajaji is reported to have commented that English is the gift of Godess Sarawathi
RE:Hindu Chavunism
by True Indian on Apr 30, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
English our national language ??? Am sure u must a b convert to christanity ....n that too just coz it promises job in MNC. Its thinking like this which has kept our country slave for so many years. u will surely take it back to slavary as just for money i.e job in mnc , u can sell our national language
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by Bengal Tiger on Apr 30, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
English has indeed taken over as the national link language, wherever you go from Kashmir, Kanyakumari, Gujarat, Assam, it is english that works not any other language.
RE:[object MouseEvent]
by Bengal Tiger on Apr 30, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
Common people do not like pure Hindi either.:) They like Hinglish.L0L How about this! Sirji time kya hain!:)
RE:Hindu Chavunism
by Bengal Tiger on Apr 30, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
No doubt, its a remixed languages we are going to have. Its good for the country, maybe certain fundamentalists will cry but good riddance to them.:)
RE:Hindu Chavunism
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
u do not like his views on hinduism, but one thing u like is his anti hindi views! what is the fault of hindi, if it is understood by many in north, weat and east of the country? so there is no harm in south indians learning hindi. gandhi, netaji, rajaji, all from non hindi speaking states, supported hindi as the national language, because it is understood by the majority.
now we have english medium schools all over the country, who teach in english since kg. is it good? nowhere else in the world a child learns in a language other than mother tongue. english as a compulsory subject, subject should be tought from standard 4th. otherwise as per all leading educationists, teaching a child in a language other than mother tongue is a crime. the crime is more if the language does not have anything common with the mother tongue. english medium schools should be banned after amking constitutional changes. otherwise all native languages are going to vanish, because of overwhelming importance given to english in all our works and this confrontationist attitude amongst ourselves.
since devangri script, which is used for hindi, marathi, konkani, nepali etc., is so similar to gujrati and bengali (in bengali, lines are straight, bengali script is used for assamese also) and have similarity. hence all indian languages, except south indian once, should have a common script. tamil, kannad, telugu (kannad and telugu already have same script) and malayalam should have same script. tamil script has less number of consonants, which must be having pronounciation problems. secondly, lot of words are similar in our languages (except probably tamil). we must take words from different indian languages. with two scripts and common vocabularies we may be able to save our phonetic scripts (which are much superior to roman) and languages from the onslaught of english and roman.
china has been developing much faster than india, though they do not have any knowledge of english. they have started learning english only for foreign trade.
RE:RE:Hindu Chavunism
by Bengal Tiger on Apr 30, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
Nobody is blaming Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Arabic, french. The problem is with the attitude anyway even in the Hindi heartland, people are increasingly using Hinglish (pure Hindi is not really popular beyond the banks of Varanasi). But, Hindi has failed as a national language and English has clearly taken over. Not only this people in metros are taking to foreign language courses in a big way for good fortunes. After all who is going to become a millionaire by learning Sanskrit?
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by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
one thing i forgot to write. if we like our languages, all work in state should be in the regional language of the state and not in english.
I know this interview will sparkle another caste war from rediff readers. Periyar was an atheist who believed in equality. He was against superstitious beliefs which are rampant even today. Even now his thoughts and teachings are relevant. Yes he did not critisize religious conversions and beliefs in other religions like Christinality and Islam. But he was not banking on vote bank politics like the politicians of today. His social movement did not take part in active politics or power but was only against rituals. Its also true he did not condemn other castes who were being brutal to dalits and targeted only brahmins. But we have to understand the context of the situation in 1920's n 30's. The elite class were oppresing the dalits and there were no opportunities for anyone to grow. Bharathi who himself was a brahmin was fighting against dalit oppresion by brahminis n non-brahmins alike. In early hinduism people were not born brahmins. Whoever wanted to take part in warfare were called 'Kshatriyas', people who were into farming called 'vyasas' and people who wanted to learn vedas called 'brahmins'. People who looked after animals were called 'shudras'. In later years a brahmin's son became a brahmin and so forth. We all are human beings who should believe in human values without caste, creed or sect. Castism will only die if people get their children married in different castes, language or religion (love or arranged marriage). God whether he exists or not does not expect religious rituals or prayers but only human compassion. Perform your duty well and look after your family. Give back something to society and if there is God you will be blessed. Periyar's teachings highlighted only the above and please dont start a caste war here in the messages. As educated individuals we should talk against castism and not have a brahmin non-brahmin fight here.
RE:Caste wars
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
Naiker used racial theories, and attacked certain people. He had nothing to do with equality. He married a child when he was 60 or so.
I am obvious that those who are commenting against periyar are mostly Tamil Brahmins and some persons who do not know completely about periyar or his social movement. Please analyze his thoughts also, not just his personal life.
RE:Dear Brahmin Freinds, understand the reality/ other people struggles not just your stuggle
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
To understand Periyars oppurtinities, please read the missionary and british literature of race analysis, where Brahmins were the colonialists, the english and british were good people. Periyar used most of these analysis to bring political power for him, in an alien state in tamilnadu.
RE:Dear Brahmin Freinds, understand the reality/ other people struggles not just your stuggle
by mariappan on Apr 30, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
my friend if i have understood correctly, then the first thing you have to do is change your id. For him kandhan, murugan were mere stones and hence not to be respected. Do you accept that, I know this for a fact, because my father was also one who broke "Pillaiyars" and to this day i havent forgiven either my father or his mentor EVR for these actions. Anyway if EVR was always right then Anna and his friends need not have come out of DK. And if the followers of EVR like K.Veeramani are strictly following his ideas, then they should not have aligned with Miss Jayalalitha at one point of time. So what is his ideology other than brahmin bashing, his concept of feminine liberation didnt carry conviction in his lifetime, maybe it works in metropolitan cities on the sly but not openly, his concept of equality of castes has been given a quite burial even by the DMK government,(eg, keerapatti) which goes on installing 100 statues of him, when he advocated breaking of statues. Tell me one good thing about him that has universal appeal for all time.
RE:Dear Brahmin Freinds, understand the reality/ other people struggles not just your stuggle
by thirumurugan kandhan on Apr 30, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
Dear Mariappan, i am not representing any stone or god, it just name given to me, i am purely representing myself as an individual. Why every person should not be given equal opportunities as periar wished.
RE:Dear Brahmin Freinds, understand the reality/ other people struggles not just your stuggle
by on Apr 30, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
we are NOT struggling. we already left that country.
