Looks like most of those who either align or oppose periyar do so due to their own prejudices (eg. atheist vs beleiver or brahmin vs non-brahmin etc etc)
Whatever kind of person he was cannot be changed. Whats important is for us to be free of this caste (including brahmin/non-brahmin nonsense) and social status prejudices.
Being affluent, Periyar had access to all the important leaders and lot of followers in the society. Bootlicking is proven around affluent people. Two of the most important questions to be answered are
1.) was it his ego that triggered him voicing against so called castism? 2.) would he have done the same, if he was born an hindu.
RE:RE:Periyar
by Ramesh Koushik on Apr 30, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
Of course, it was his ego which triggered his "voice against casteism". The same ego drives the communists too - they are simple in their habits but not in their minds-"wht I know alone is the truth" is their attitude. That is why our country will never deliver justice to all.
Ever wondered why Mughals & Britishes were able to rule India for so many years. They were successfull in Dividing Hindus.Politicians of today are doing the same so that the United Vote Bank i.e of Muslims and other communities always reamin in Power.
I request the Hindus of India not to call themselves Bengalis, Jains, Gujaratis, Marathi, Marwari, Upper caste, lower caste etc but Hindus as then they would stay united. I know it is not possible but then you dont always comment on whats possible.
Another worst movie in the year 2007 would be this one!Everyone use the name of caste and spoiling the country and spritis of the citizens.I already moved out of the tamilnadu state becoz of ppl like PERIYAR....useless ppl. who asked them not to learn sanskrit?It the language to learn vedas, let them be priest in temple,but they need to learn vedas ?could those ppl learn such things whith thier narrow minded thoughts??they oppose sanskirt itseld then how the social justice can bloom??u dont want to learn anything but wat equal justice ???wats the logic? EVR is the biggest idiot and the joker ,and those who follow him logically classified as backward classes and so the name? ppl who are taking movie on such fake intelligent psychos are the real politician who wants to gain value by such negative things..
RE:Boycott this movie!
by swaroop tagore on Apr 30, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
GOOD U WENT OUT OF TAMIL NADU, IF IDIOTS LIKE U LIVE AND CHANT MANTRAS DURING A MARRIAGE OR DEATH WHO IS GOING TO UNSERSTAND COMPREHEND ANND FOLLOW WHAT THE RITUALS ARE ALL ABOUT,HAVE THOSE WHO HAVE LAERNT SANSKRIT AND VEDAS ABLE TO RECOGNISE TAMIL AS THIER MOTHERTONGUE,HAVE THESE VEDAS AND SANSKRIT ELIMINATED THE TWO TUMBLER SYSTEM IN TAMIL NADU? BOTH THE CASTE HINDUS AND BRAHMINS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SORRY STATE OF AFFAIRS IN THE STATE AND THANX FOR LEAVING TAMIL NADU MR .RAM YOU DESERVE TO BE OUT YOU ARE ALL PRODUCTS OF THE RACE WHO BEGGED AND LICKED THE BOOTS OF THE BRITISH.PERIYAR OF COURSE SOUNDED RIDICULOUS IF IT WAS NOT HIM WE WOULD NOT HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE RURAL AREAS WORKING IN THE GOVERNMENT A FARMERS SON CAN NEVER SCALE THE HIGHEST INDIAN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE. BEFORE U LEARN OR WRITE SUMTHING PLEASE PROBE INTO THE SOCIO-ECONOMIC-POLITICAL STATUS OF ISSUES AND EXPRESS UR SELF.
RE:Boycott this movie!
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 12:34 PM Permalink
swaroop who are beggars?who are the product of race?a farmer's child getting in the ias is good,but if it is through reservation or by other means then those people are going to destroy india.
RE:Boycott this movie!
by ganesan krishnan on Apr 30, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
as if when upper castes and brahmins were respected they brought glory to india...none of the ancestors that you knew of never lived in a free country..in simple english people with ego will should call them traitors...remember
We are never against Brahminsm & Brahmins and we are not going oppose that they were represented us and better than us. We all wish that everybody should get equality. Many excellant people from different areas like Bharathi, C.Subramanium, MS Swaminathan, MS Subbulakshmi, Viswananthan Anand, K Srikant, Manirathnam, hema malini, etc are all belong to Brahmin community, we never betrayed them always we used to support them for their acheivements. But we wish the environment to acheivement should be given equal.
RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
Kandhan, this is about racial analysis, boot licking, I believe there is a stake for ordinary tamilian in it, even after he has got/rejected reservation or whatever caste he/she belongs to.
RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by parthasarathy sarathy on Apr 30, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
MS Subbulakshmi married a Brahmin; C Subramaniam was a Gounder and not a Brahmin. The list of achievers from the Brahmins in TN can not be written down so easily as they strode all walks of life like the true collusses that they were. Today, if the Brahmin from TN has been wiped out in Delhi and Madras, it is for his own good as he has been accepted in the US and other countries with respect and recognition. Let TN have 90% reservation, the Brahmins still can not be stopped from getting their due in several parts of the world.
RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by Raju Ban Gaya Gentleman on Apr 30, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
ha ha ha ha ha. nice joke. if u were not against brahminism and wanted equality, then why all the 70% reservation in tamil nadu??? don't be a hypocrite like the rest of ur ilk.
RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by on Apr 30, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
he is talking like Dravidian of tamilnadu. anyway he is getting old(83).
RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by swaroop tagore on Apr 30, 2007 12:33 PM Permalink
Bharathi, C.Subramanium, , MS Subbulakshmi, Viswananthan Anand, K Srikant, Manirathnam, hema malini, etc , all these people have who have aachieved many milestones in their careers have recognised tamil and tamil nadu as their homeland and have not been anti tamil they are brahmins but more tamil in their identity,so in tamil nadu we claim only 27% as reservation for BCS THE REST IS ALL YOURS AND ITS OPEN FOR BRAHMINS TOO IN THE GENERAL CATEGORY THEY WALK WITH THE MAJOR CHUNK BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT WELL BRED REFINED PEOPLE,THE GYST IS BHRAHMINICAL DOMINATION IS OPPOSED THIER UNTOUCHABLITY CONCEPT IS QUESTIONED TODAYS BRAHMIN DINES IN THE BEST NON-VEG HOTEL AND IS ONE WITH THE TAMIL RACE HE /SHE IS ALSO DISTINCTLY TAMILIAN THE PLOY BY QUOTING VEDAS AND SANSKRIT CANNOT BE USED AS A PLOY TO SEPARATE THEM FROM THE TAMILIAN MAIN STREAM OF LIFE THEY HAVE OF LATE REALISED THAT THEY ARE A PART AND PARCEL OF TAMILNADU WHEN ACTRESS SUHASINI WON THE NATIONAL AWARD SHE SAID SHE WAS PROUD BEING A TAMIL SHE NEVER SADI SHE IS A BRAHMIN, THATS THE SPIRIT TODAYS BRAHMIN IN TAMIL NADU IS A DIFFERENT STOCK THEY ARE INGRAINED TO THE BLOOD OF TAMIL NADU.
RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
but sir there is almost 70%reservation,it is not that bcs are getting 27% they also enjoy the seats of general category,but brahmins areand other upper castes are having just 30%(not fully)
RE:RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by Natures on Apr 30, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
see the progress in Tamilnadu and other state except maharastra.
If you remove maharastra,Gujarat,tamilnaud from India you can only see noises,dharna,strike, communalism,naxalites
RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by Gans on Apr 30, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
Get your facts right bud! C.Subramanium and MS Subbulakshmi are not brahmins. You missed Kamalhassan though who is a brahmin by birth but an ardent follower of periyar.
RE:Tamilan(in your own word madarasi) is not against Brahminism
by srikanth devalraj on Apr 30, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
yeah by being a womaniser and deserting wife and children Kamalhassan is a follower of periyar.
u people have to understand one thing first there is no religion called HINDU,what led to this type of things in INDIA,better u people go 4000-5000 yrs back to know what india was,what hinduism was
RE:Hinduism
by rangaswamy soundararajan on Apr 30, 2007 04:47 PM Permalink
I believe that there was no such relegion as Hindu relegion in our country. What we are calling as Hindu relegion, was being practiced as Vedic relegion or Sanathana Dharma. In fact, there was no worship of any particular God like Shiva, Vishnu etc. It was all worship of nature.
RE:Hinduism
by Natures on Apr 30, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
Are the one Converted to Christinity just for job, money and set of bibles.
Stop creating nonsense here. Hinduism is religion of nature.There is no such thing as Single god in Hinduism, but everthing is admirable and worshipable.
You people are perverted, always want to inpose your faith to Hindus by swaying job and money.
Thats how converted million throuh out the world, and same is the reason for global conflict.
Who knows tomorrow you are son of somebody, simply because someone preaeched you. Have reasons.
RE:Hinduism
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
what periyar did not mention that the chaturvarna was first adopted according to the division of work,not on the basis of caste.in history,we would find several intercaste,even inter religious marriage including friendship between different communities-rajput king married a bhil girl,sri krishna was a yadav who married several khsatriya girls,akbar and jehangir married rajput hindus,sri ram had a friend like guhak who was a chandal,laxman got knowledge from ravana when he was in death bed.so ancient india was not full of casteism.jabal stayakam was welcomed by maharishi goutam who termed satyakam as brahmin(satyakam had no registered father),chandragupta maurya got the title from her mother who was a dasi and chandragupta maurya and samrat ashoka were not the representative of upper castes.sufi movement,bhakti movement was against casteism and religious narrowness.sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda faught against casteism not balming the hinduism alone.so i think periyar missed and crossed the line.he could have mentioned the tolerism of hindus who gave place to other religious groups.there is not a single evidence in the ancient,medieval even in some parts of modern world in the field of religious tolerance in christian and islam country.also hinduism accomodated several different thoughts within a religion-here we have idol worship,nirakar god,even we get atheist philosophy,every person can woeship god in any foem in this religion.hinduism is the only religion which never involved in forceful religious conversion.but pity is that periyar did not mention these positive sides.but sme extent he spreaded a sense of hatred in the name of abolishing casteism.i donot know why.yes upper castes are very much responsible in many cases.but almost all of the great persons are from upper castes who made indians proud by their tallent,dedication not by their caste identity,what periyar also did not mention that many people from upper castes did several social reforms-RAJA RAMMOHAN ROY,ISWAR CHANDRA VIDYASAGAR were brahmin but did sinficant social reform,sri ramakrishna vivekananda also did their best,upper caste personalities were greatly involved in the country's freedom struggle(subhas bose,tilak,nehru ,gandhi ,gokhale,bagha jatin,jatin das,lala ljpat and many names)where the leadership was maintained by them.even the great achiever of tamilnadu-srinivas ramanujam,cv raman was from upper castes.i donot know why he ignored all this.ok,but still he has a place in my mind for his movement for social justice which some extent changed as a movement of hatred at latter stage.
RE:Hinduism
by on Apr 30, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
after 1804 only the name HINDU was born , it is not religion. We tamilans are not belongs to Hindusim we all are proud to be dravidians , not a slave to brahmins
RE:Hinduism
by srinivas on Apr 30, 2007 12:13 PM Permalink
I agree with Vijay............... Most scholars feel that the name %u201CHindu%u201D was developed by outsiders, invaders who could not pronounce the name of the Sindhu River properly. Some sources report that it was Alexander the Great who first renamed the River Sindhu as the Indu, dropping the beginning %u201CS%u201D, thus making it easier for the Greeks to pronounce. This became known as the Indus. This was when Alexander invaded India around 325 B.C. His Macedonian forces thereafter called the land east of the Indus as India, a name used especially during the British regime.
Later, when the Muslim invaders arrived from such places as Afghanistan and Persia, they called the Sindhu River the Hindu River. Thereafter, the name %u201CHindu%u201D was used to describe the inhabitants from that tract of land in the northwestern provinces of India where the Sindhu River is located, and the region itself was called %u201CHindustan.%u201D
Periyar was a siriyar in thoughts .his thoughyts were different but spoiled the society as whole.he had no ethos.he was a hypocrite trying to change ,but more he preached anti brahminism more inclined people became to the same.what effect he made on the society except a herd of black sheeps like veeramani's.it helps the vote bank of the so called dravidian politicians.like karunanidhi.but karunanidhi is intelligent enough that he and his coterie used the periyar idelogy for vote bank and captured the media business for his family bank
RE:Periyar was a siriyar in thoughts
by swaroop tagore on Apr 30, 2007 12:49 PM Permalink
HOW DO U BRAHMINS USE TO TREAT A YOUNG WIDOW SHE WAS SENT TO A CORNER THAT WAS HER LIFE WHAT DID PERIYAR PREACH?HAVE U BEEN TO THE FAMILY COURT CHANDRAMOULI AND TAKE STOCK OF BRAHMIN GIRLS OPTING FOR DIVORCE AND OF COURSE SEEK GREENER PASTYRES FOR REMARRIAGE THE WIDOWS COME OUT BOLD FOR REMARRIAGE UR BRAHMIN COMMUNITY ITSELF HAS BENEFITTED OF THE REFORMS OF EVR ,KARUNANIDHI IS OF COURSE A SEASONED POLITICIAN AND ASTUTE IF HE IS HANDLING THE LIKES OF JAYALALITHA AND CHO RAMASAMY OR SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY HE IS DEFINITELY OF A DIFFERENT STOCK . WHAT WERE THE BENEFITS REAPED BY THE PEOPLE OF TAMIL NADU DURING THE CONGRESS RULE? WAS IT BETTER THAN THE DRAVIDIAN GOVERNMENTS? NO NEVER, IF PEOPLE VOTE FOR THE DRAVIDIAN PARTIES THE PARTIES MADE SURE TAMILS HAVE DIFFERENT IDENTITY, THEY SAID DONT IMPOSE HINDI WHATS WRONG? LEARING HINDI ON OUR OWN ACCORD IS SUMTHING DIFFERENT AND THAT OF COURSE WILL HELP US COMMUNICATE WITH THE REST OF INDIA. WE LIVE IN A FEDERAL DEMOCRACY WHERE ONE LANGUAGE CANNOT BE PROCLAIMED AS THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE. THE PEOPLE HAVE CONSTANTLY CHOSEN KARUNANIDHI FOR HIS SKILLS AS CHIEF MINISTER THE SAME APPLIES TO JAYALALITHA AND LATE MGR TOO.JAYALAITHA IS NOT A DRAVIDIAN LEADER SHE IS A BRAHMIN BUT MORE DISTINCTLY TAMIL.
what a joke. if he was really only against brahminism and not brahmins, why did his followers create such a ruckus by all the brahmin-bashing they have done since 50 yrs???!!!!
RE:HA HA HA HA HA
by anantharaman venkatraman on Apr 30, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
even some few days ago his followers have thrashed Gurukkals, cut their sacred thread etc because some unknown miscreant had damaged Periar statue.Still people like Gnanasekaran says that he was not against brahmins. Statue worship for one aho was dead against statues in temples.Periar and his followers are crooks and make money by fooling people.
RE:EVR brounght TN to Doldrums by opposing hindi
by Natures on Apr 30, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
YOu are no one bulshit, By the way what u lost, Dont you speak english.
RE:RE:EVR brounght TN to Doldrums by opposing hindi
by Ravishankar Kandallu on Apr 30, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
You can't compete with a foreigner with Indian English. That is his mother tongue. Had hindi been there, it is a windo of opportunity for me to go any where in India. The old gerneration students [sorry! nut fellows during 60's] joined this idiot thinking that they get reprive from one subject
RE:EVR brounght TN to Doldrums by opposing hindi
by on Apr 30, 2007 01:02 PM Permalink
what kind of opurtunites you had lost my dear tamil, what the hindi speaking peoples are doing tamilnadu , they are only pani puri and Bhel puri , what they donewith their lanuage. Talent is important , HINDI or ENGLISH is just a LANUGAUAGE not you KNOWLEDGE , keep it in your mind
RE:EVR brounght TN to Doldrums by opposing hindi
by Ravishankar Kandallu on Apr 30, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
My brother What ever talent u have, only communication will sell it. We people of TN lack that quality. Think of a business group. Only TATAs, Birlas come to mind [Of late Narayan moorthy ofcourse with bangolore as base and not TN]. SPIC, TVS takes a back seat though they have equal in talence why? Language ....You are deprived of 'Language of Masses [hindi]' by a nut called periyar. Shed all your TN cocoon and come out please!
RE:EVR brounght TN to Doldrums by opposing hindi
by on Apr 30, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
who cares hindi. look for opportunity in states. don;t look in india. caste politics won't allow to grow.
Any social principle become irrelevant with age. His ideology is no different. Communism has come and gone. but not his thoughts. Irrespective of the time, one philosophy that never changes is affluence. Time has changed. If he had a status of talking to Gandhi, his accessibility to people would have been really less. All he could have seen was sychophants. Though people say he was against castism, his opposition to castism is never followed. he and his followers have not been against castism, he was all against those who tested his egos.
If he would have been a great human, he would have taken up against castism and not against brahmins.
Making a film on him is waste of money and may be the director has tried deriving some mileage out of this movie. It is better that we do what we are supposed to be. Movie on a social leader may sound thought provoking, An IAS officer should not waste his time on such stupid initiatives and rather concentrate on core work. If the officer does not have enough work, government better cut down on such positions and save some money.
