When you talk about merit it is politics. When you talk about national integration and fellow feeling, it is politics! What an age has come! Emotions are termed as politics!!! Bring emotions in and cricket would be so lively. I am also shocked the way some people were trying to put a stamp of betrayal or gaddari against the Eden Crowd during the last outing with SA. Never ever compare Saurav dropping episode with anything else. A standing captain with so much success cannot be treated like that and just remember the mischievous face of Jumping More! His crooked smile, his persona non grata attitude to Saurav, remember everything and you find some reason, if not logic behind the behaviour. Saurav has slapped all the critics with his bat. Blind Persons like Raj Dung or K More are no longer even heard in the press and media. The behaviour of the crowd may be wrong but the reason was right. Bengal never stops short of showing their emotions to the nation. 'No Kapil no test' cry roared the crowd once with banners and posters when Gavaskar -Kapil row came to the surface and Kapil was dropped. Bengal connection notwithstanding, Saurav is always a special hero for his aggressiveness, patriotism and captaincy throughout the length and breadth of the country. When you treat the idol shabbily, protests are bound to come. Emotions are like glass - fragile and to be handled with care. The protests at Eden that time were not limited to Bengalis alone. It gathered a snowballing effect, entire country joined, the media, the press, the people from all Indian cities and villages, the film stars the politicians-all. It became a sort of people's movement. It happened never before in the World history of sports and what a surprise! You keep the man out- he shines in the press media and people's hearts. You bring in him and he dazzles with the bat. There is really something in him, call it determination call it charisma or whatever. He is really the captain material. Some do not understand crowd behaviour and are crying hoarse as if something like Ayodha/Godhra/Bombay Blast/ Nithari/ Bombay Riot/Tandoor Murder has taken place here. They do not know the culture of tolerance of broadness of Bengali mind and blowing the episode out of proportion. They are trying to prove that Bengalis are traitors. Not true! Not true!! Not True!!! They are wronged against. Partitioned! Cut!! But never left the mainstream. No one should think that they only are the whole of India, vast area exists behind their back yard, in front of entry gate, to the left and to the right of their village, city or province boundary.
RE:Yours Truly
by Kumar Mayur Bahan Roy on Feb 09, 2007 04:23 AM
Dear mr sengupta frankly speaking if kolkata think that droping of ganguly was such a big crime that india team should be booed in there own country i guess eden dont deserve a match in the next 100 year cricket is much more than a ganguly or a dalmiya or an eden i guess todays inturuption was tit-for tat for so called cricket loving fans of kolkata who have bring bad name to idia in the past as well, remember the '96 WC semifinal? they at best deserve to watch the match on TV but as indicated in the article for BCCI cricket is far less important than politics so hail eden hail BCCI and hail rain good day for the next match (i am sure with all politics you shall soon get one in future.) and yeah by the way saurav surely deserved to be droped as do zaheer and some other in the past.
RE:RE:Yours Truly
by Shamik Ghosh on Feb 09, 2007 05:14 AM
Mr Mayur Bahan, Sourav scored a century against Zimbabwe , won the test series there as captain ... we removed him as captain ... in Pakistan he played 1 test , scored 37 and 39 ... and he is dropped ... in his last 5 test innings , his avg was above 45 ... if you think that is the score that deserved an axe , so what do you do with others ? Why this double standard ? Seperate criteria for seperate set of players you want to mean ? Meanwhile you seem to remember every minute details about Eden Gardens , let me add to it to fire your imagination ... last day of a test , India was losing the test and police drove out all the spectators from Eden , play was continued in empty stadium ... we cannot see India lose ... hence the WC 96 drama followed ... but frankly do you think , 98/2 to 120/8 that was less dramatic ? But also remember Eden has given India the best ever test cricket win in history ... you may have forgotten 2001 test vs Australia ... feeling soory for you ... Lastly likewise the "No Kapil, No Test" slogan in 1984 , even if Sourav Ganguly was not Sourav Ganguly but any Sourav Mayur Bahan , Eden would have still rallied behind their hero and protested ... people like you tend to pull us down calling it bengali sentiment , but we believe we far superior to you in our thinking , so attitude is bound to be different. I think you got it, Thanks,
RE:RE:RE:Yours Truly
by bharat on Feb 09, 2007 10:32 AM
The support for Kapil in 1984 was more of anti-Gavaskar campaign rather than pro-Kapil. It was meant to embarress Gavaskar rather than to support Kapil.
If the people of Kolkatta are so proud to have rallied behind players who have suffered injustice, what did they do for 22 years (between 1984 and 2006)? Do they feel that no injustice has been done to any cricketer during these 22 years?
RE:RE:Yours Truly
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 09, 2007 06:24 AM
Mayur Bahan means peacock rider. I do not know why my post has been reported for abuse. Dear peacock rider, It is an example of double standards. You do not adopt the same practice for other players. Captain, more so a successful Captain should enjoy a special status. Just like bowling, batting and fielding, Captaining is also another skill. One has to apply his mind everywhere. Captaincy pressures tell adversely on the game as your attentions are divided. This aspect is often forgotten. You can not adopt a straight jacket formula. Saurav was not dropped for performance or lack of it. He was dropped when he just scored a century and was coming back to form. So it was sheer sheer sheer non cricketing reason.
RE:RE:RE:Yours Truly
by S Sudarshan on Feb 09, 2007 07:24 AM
sorry sir, mr sengupta he scored a century against zimbabwe and thats not counted. zimbabwe is under turmoil and probably the worst team in cricket nowadays, please see my article posted on top "Ganguly was dropped for his performance and not due to politics from Sudhir" and then you wud know the truth.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Yours Truly
by S Sudarshan on Feb 09, 2007 08:05 AM
sorry abt that. sudhir is my name. i meant to mention that the article was by sudhir. whatever it is , the reason was performance and you shud know it.
RE:RE:Yours Truly
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 09, 2007 04:34 AM
Dear peacock rider, It is an example of double standards. You do not adopt the same practice for other players. Captain, more so a successful Captain should enjoy a special status. Just like bowling, batting and fielding, Captaining is also another skill. One has to apply his mind everywhere. Captaincy pressures tell adversely on the game as your attentions are divided. This aspect is often forgotten. You can not adopt a straight jacket formula. Saurav was not dropped for performance or lack of it. He was dropped when he just scored a century and was coming back to form. So it was sheer sheer sheer non cricketing reason.
RE:Yours Truly
by bharat on Feb 09, 2007 07:12 AM
Mr. Sengupta, God agrees that the Eden Garden crowds did not behave well during the last ODI. Yesterday's wash out was God's punishment to all those who behaved badly and to all those who try to justify this bahaviour with one pretext or the other. Will you stop this most unintelligent blabbery which you have been writing for the past few days. I agree that rediff belongs to no body's father, including yours.
RE:RE:Yours Truly
by Indra nil Sengupta on Feb 09, 2007 07:26 AM
Entire country misssed the match. The so called good ones and the bad ones equally. There is no prudence in saying that only those who booed on the last occasion are punished. If my well thought out essays are 'blabbery', I am helpless and can only advise you not to read these. I would be greatly shocked to miss an erudite scholar like you in my readership but I can not help. I am not telling any body to stop writing, nor going to stop my writing at anybody's dictat as I already said. We are a democracy the meaning of which is perhaps understood by my intelligent and learned friends like you. One pillar of democracy is freedom of expression. I am happy that rediff provides us that opportunity. I thank rediff for this excellent arrangement where I can get views from my respected friends like you immediately, just like chatting. Thanks. God bless you.
RE:RE:Yours Truly
by Maha Stud on Feb 09, 2007 11:57 AM
"God agrees that the Eden Garden crowds did not behave well during the last ODI. Yesterday's wash out was God's " goin by ur logic .... wat happened to chennai (when rain washed out the whole match) when they are best behaved ...
RE:RE:Yours Truly
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 09, 2007 07:29 AM
Is rediff someones personal or ancestral property! Shall I write or stop writing on someones dictat! Heh! Heheih!! If I am overstepping, report abuse and go to heaven. God bless you! Thannks!!
RE:Yours Truly
by rohit gupta on Feb 09, 2007 03:23 AM
Stop writing crap buddy.Ganguly was dropped cos at that point he wasn't good enough even to be picked for grade cricket.Whether its the captain or any high profile player, perform or perish.For the sort of money they swim in these days, its only right that things should be so cut throat.
RE:RE:Yours Truly
by Manas Dey on Feb 09, 2007 04:00 AM
You better think twice before you write. If Ganguly can be dropeed for his performance then half of India team could be dropped after SA tour not even our 'great'(?) ten(0)dulkar could be spared. Ganguly was a sheer victim of politics and it was a proven fact now.
well as of today the spectators are the least important people who drive cricket and its policies in INDIA eventhough they are the prime reasons why cricket is so big in our country... In todays abandoned match the rich have become richer and the poor spectators have lost physically, financially and mentally. but who cares??? the board shud refund each n every penny of todays match if they have the slightest sense of pride. Aseem USA
this is bullshit. though SL has only 6.3 overs or 1.3 overs left based on 20-25 over game, they would have had 20 overs with the field restrictions in place. india would have gotten only 8-10 overs based on how many overs india would get to bat... so it is advantage sl.
Doesnt this knw abt the duckworth lewis system..SL score would have automatically increased if the match would have come down to 25 overs...how can rediff publish such stupid articles from people who dunn knw the facts about cricket..
RE:Duckworth lewis system
by Prem Panicker on Feb 09, 2007 11:16 AM
Yes sir, I know there is something called DL. So? It comes into play only if there is a rain interruption in the second innings. Because I know it is probably why Rediff can and did publish the article.
RE:RE:Duckworth lewis system
by losing now on Feb 10, 2007 07:41 PM
Prem : please get your facts right. Google is a nice tool to use, when you dont know the answer. My professor used to say "better to say - I dont know the answer and I will look it up" rather than giving the wrong answer. -- http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ABOUT_CRICKET/RAIN_RULES/DUCKWORTH_LEWIS_2001.html Example 3: Interruption to Team 1's innings
In an ODI, Team 1 have lost 7 wickets in scoring 190 runs in 40 overs from an expected 50 when extended rain leads to Team 1's innings being terminated and Team 2's innings is also restricted to 40 overs. What is the target for Team 2?
Because of the different stages of the teams' innings that their 10 overs are lost, they represent different losses of resource. Team 1 have lost 7 wickets and had 10 overs left when the rain arrived and so from the table you will see that the premature termination of their innings has deprived them of the 20.6% resource percentage they had remaining. Having started with 100% they have used 100 - 20.6 = 79.4%; in other words they have had 79.4% resources available for their innings.
Team 2 will also receive 40 overs. With 40 overs left and no wicket lost you will see from the table that the resource percentage which they have available (relative to a full 50 over innings) is 90.3%. Team 2 thus have 90.3 - 79.4 = 10.9% greater resource than had Team 1 and so they are set a target which is 10.9% of 225, or 24.53, more runs than Team 1 scored. [225 is the average in 50 overs for ODIs]
Using the sum 190 24.53 = 214.53 rounding down gives 214 to tie and Team 2's target is 215 in 40 overs.
Note: All other target resetting methods currently in use make no allowance for this interruption. They set the target of 191 simply because both teams are to receive the same number of overs. This is clearly an injustice to Team 1 who were pacing their innings to last 50 overs when it was curtailed, whereas Team 2 knew in advance of the reduction of their innings to 40 overs and have been handed an unfair advantage. D/L neutralises this by setting Team 2 a higher target than the number of runs Team 1 actually scored. -- Kapisch!!
Your report is totally subjective and prejudiced. You speak as if the rains were organized by Sharad Pawar or BCCI. And you suggest as if you know for sure (by some evidence that you possess) that everyone involved in the organizing are unfair and merely there to make money and not to try and give a good game. You are merely looking to blame someone because you are unhappy - because you do not know how to conceal your own disappointment of the day and want to fix it on. You probably wont be affected by this message because normally people who are so subjective and inferior in their thinking always beleive that they are right. And this strong beleif in one's 'own' view prevails over all objectivity which needs one to detach himself from his own view and write/report what is, regardless of what 'he feels'. Because what you feel could be solely because of your own subjective view of either BCCI or Sharad Pawar or other organizers or umpires or Rain in a cricket match or... People like you infest the world too much and must not be allowed to write for your quality of reporting is biased, prejucided and inferior. You will never learn and probably behave indifferently anyway. You are the sign of the times we live in - you are the triumph of the subjective.
RE:inferior quality
by nishant n jaiswal on Feb 09, 2007 02:46 AM
I agree with Prem, raju ur going a little overboard be REAL buddy, being an Indian u should know how things work in our beloved country
RE:inferior quality
by Nelson Thomas on Feb 09, 2007 01:42 AM
it is unfair that the spectators do not get a refund! you wil get a refund (tickets for the next day's game) in every single baseball game in the US. their organizations try to make money too.. but not giving refunds is just plain BS. also if you know there is a good chance of rain why would anyone in their right mind go about staging a game at that venue? (and they DID KNOW!!)
RE:RE:inferior quality
by Raju Ravitej on Feb 09, 2007 02:07 AM
You make a good point and even the writer of the report made this point. I am not suggesting against giving refunds to the spectators. They deserve a partial or full refund, whichever is fair. However, the weather forecasts in India can never be relied upon, as you will probably be also aware. I do not defend the BCCI (in general I think they are a money-making machine), yet, it is impossible to change the venue of a match because organizers get to know two or three days in advance that it's going to rain. While a refund to spectators is a fair thing to do, it is unfair to blame organizers for the rain. If someone was wise enough to know that there would be rain, then reports like Prem Panicker's which appear now, should have appeared atleast a day before the match was held, warning that there would be rain. My comment objected to the writer's bias and prejudice. Even if one feels that the BCCI or the organizers are generally an unworthy lot, it must be held in restraint or else there would no value for the priviledged position a writer enjoys and lets his judgement be obscured by his own strong dislike of some entity or let free his liking for some other entity.
RE:RE:RE:inferior quality
by Nelson Thomas on Feb 09, 2007 10:51 PM
well yeah.. they only knew like 4 days before the match, i think. and yes it will be hard to prepare a ground at such short notice. especially when BCCI looks at it.. SELLING TICKETS will be a hazzle too. haha.. anyway yeah all we can do is schedule a reserve day just in case there is a rain.. and if its gonna rain during consecutive days.. then well we're screwed and offseasonal rains usually last one day, right? i dont know anyway we CAN'T blame the BCCI for the rain but they should atleast issue a refund and schedule a reserve day, just in case!
RE:RE:RE:inferior quality
by aseem pandey on Feb 09, 2007 03:19 AM
I think u definitely have some personal grudge against Prem coz ur reaction is too much personal....i dont see any wrong in having a view that Prem has ....Dont you think there are enough evidences of politics in cricket in our country. so whats bothering you bout the article Aseem
Hello, I stay in us and very much interested to know the game status,as i checked the mail i felt so bad that none in BCCI are interested to keep the cricket alive.They want money and money only.As I have seen the way you reasoned the things happened were really heart breaking for the Indian Cricket.I got a doubt that BCCI will sell the cricket's spirit for only money.Im very much disappointed by the way BCCI are acting.
Every ground has different drainage system/speed, and there are no universal guidelines to govern "calling off a match". If they call it off a bit early and later somebody find out that the condition became "playable" on the very same ground, you would have gone for their throat. Officials will always be at a loss. Besides as far as I know decision to move the match to Calcutta was at least 1 week back, and unfortunately they didn't had any forecast at that moment of any rain. It%u2019s not backyard cricket which can be moved to front yard if my sprinkler system turns on at the last moment.
As far as refunding money is concerned BCCI need to spend some good money on "event insurance", so that at least a disappointment consumer doesn%u2019t suffer financial losses.
