RE:RE:Marxists mum o f Christian Wretchedness in Kerala
by Adam Marshall on Jun 04, 2007 09:18 PM Permalink
In most of the cases, native christians don't belive in accepting converts as Christians. Religious conversion is just a ploy of glorification of oneself or one's group. People who are poor get converted for the sake of money and essentials. They have got nothing to do with spiritual faith. Do not blame all the christians for such acts. Christianity is just another way of understanding the Almighty just like any other religion. Removal of political recognition to all religions will be the best solution.
RE:RE:HA HA HA YOU CAN'T QUESTION
by asdf on Jun 04, 2007 08:34 PM Permalink
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Guruvayoor temple is one of the temples in Kerala where the daily rituals of the temple is done very strictly.Mr Vayalar Ravi should have consulted with the "Respected Tanthri" before he ventures for his grandson's feeding ceremony,since he had an experience before in his sons case,he should have done it.Tanthri have done only that which he is suppose to do,since he had been informed of the impurity.Although the temple rules and regulations should be changed since it had been made by Shankaracharya swami it is totaly impratical to change customs.It is only possible for another Sanyassin who have same caliber as the first Shankaracharya.
In my earlier message I forgot to mention one thing - Rediff is giving unnecessary CHEAP publicity to this issue and making Mr. Ravi a HERO but actually he is a JOKER - do not publish the other part of interview - instead publish something which is good to the society - sorry I am forced to say this
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by seshasayee on Jun 04, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
For many years it has been common among politicians, from the so called Rational Thinkers of Tamil Nadu to use "Brahminical" in derogotary sense. Can one imagine tax payers money is used to produce a movie on "Hindu (belief) bashing". Yet the govt. will have a minister for Hindu Endowments and claim that they are "rational thinkers". I feel sorry that this has now spread to the neighbouring state of Kerala, where so far religion and politics did not mix. I don't understand why should a senior politician like Vayalar Ravi from a party enjoying national status has to use this term. It is highly disappointing.
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by Adam Marshall on Jun 04, 2007 08:53 PM Permalink
Well, what's wrong in asking a person to show his faith in Hinduism before permitting him into a Hindu shrine? This is a matter of dignity of that religious institution and not arrogance. It's a spiritual place and not a picnic spot. Every religion has got some constraints and it's the same with hinduism. Why call it Brahmnical arrogance while similar things are followed in several non-brahmnical shrines such as "Ayyanar, etc in Tamil Nadu" where the first respect is to a person belonging to one particular family only? Such practices are outlined throughout Hinduism and not by the Brahmin community. No religious authority will allow anyone to enter its shrine without ones expression of faith in that religion. There have been several violent incidents in the name of first honour by several non-brahmin communities. No shrine will permit people in for the sake of picnic. I agree with the point that it's high time for the rules and regulations of every religion to be changed. It will be a gradual progress. If it has to be done in a day, then we need a government like Chinese to abolish all religions.
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by Awaara Uncle on Jun 04, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
We broadminded Hindus must give Tamil Nadu style public sector reservations to SC/ST/BC/OBCs/Tribals and also give such reservations in PRIVATE SECTOR. And also clean Dalit toilets just like Gandhi, who was the greatest Hindu. Then nobody will convert to Christianity or Islam. It is very simple. In any case, it is written in our own scriptures that "IN KALIYUGA, CHANDALA WILL RULE OVER BRAHMIN". So our Karma is to diligently clean Dalit toilets for several lifetimes and Yugas so that we can hope to be born as a Dalit who enjoys reservations after several births. This is the right thing to do. Stop fighting Hindu brothers. Already Brahmins are doing the job of Kshatriyas by joining Army and doing the job of Vaishyas by doing business like Infosys Narayanamurthy. So there is no harm if Brahmins clean the toilets of Dalits. After all, they use Harpic to clean the toilets in their own houses. our Lord Ram ate "Jhute Bair"(Half eaten berries ) of a Sweeper lady "Sabri". So what is the harm if all upper castes cleaning Dalit toilets just like Gandhi? Dear Bhaskar Chattopadhyay, there is no harm if all upper caste women become Devadasis and service Dalits who enjoy reservations. This is Kaliyuga according to the scriptures and this is most natural. This is your Karmic duty for several Yugas and lifetimes.
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by crazyforsense on Jun 04, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
@sanjay choudhry Can you please enlighten me as to which place in Vatican a Hindu (or non-Christian) can't go? The reason I am rather sure of this is cos a friend of mine (non-Christian) visited the Vatican/Europe and was glad to see the Pope (from a distance) as part of a regular blessing 'ceremony' inside the Church!!!
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by Suganth M on Jun 04, 2007 08:34 PM Permalink
Sanjay,People of all faith are allowed into the Vatican.Your ignorance depresses me.Hindusim is the only religion that has such morbid rituals and deep rooted prejudices built in it !!!
RE:s
by Power India on Jun 04, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
Please inform me about such 'certain areas'. You are a great lier and stupid person who spreads wrong informations.
Hinduism is broad minded and is flexible - all this untouchability etc are recent aberrations (They might have validity whwn it was imposed - not any more).
There is nothing that says if mother is from different caste/religion kid will be of her caste/religion. I challenge any one to show any verse on that. If that is the case, How did sons of a fisherwoman become Kshatriyas during Mahabharath times?
Veda Vysa was son of a Fisherwoman considered a brahmin.
It is all in minds stupid. If Hinduism is not flexible, we will be the loosers. Otherwise Hindus should stop crying about "conversion" etc. I belive RSS, with its strong belief in Hindu Rashtra should fight for Ravi (and other people like him) even if he is completely opposite in his political views. Otherwise, RSS ideology of Hindu Rashtra will only be considered a political ploy.
If we show narrow mindedness we will be the loosers and we will loose the right to fight if others take advantage of such situation. We are playing in to the hands of such people who are ready to convert. If Ravi wants, tomorrow there will be big ceremony with thousands or even lakhs attending and getting coverted to any of the other religions with open arms (And tell me why should not they convert, if we treat a person who says I am a believer). So my earnest request is that all Hindus who are interested in long term Hindu ascension should rally behind Ravi irrespective of political affiliation (I am defintely dead against Nehru - Ghandi
RE:Hinduism is broad minded and flexible
by Suganth M on Jun 04, 2007 08:38 PM Permalink
Libran,
Mythology does not help the downtrodden.One eklavya or a Vyasa does not make up this 1Bn country.Also, it is obvious that the above characters were fictitious.
Get out of your silly suit!Your ignorance depresses me.Hindusim is the only religion that has such morbid rituals and deep rooted prejudices built in it !!!
RE:Hinduism is broad minded and flexible
by Libran on Jun 04, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
Just because I gave two examples does not mean it is the end of it, there are thosands of cases and no verse talks about untochability. You are right, Hindusim has strong prejuidices, but it not in built, it was self imposed by some selfish people. I have studied deeply about Hindusim and know that it has to clean all its self imposed dirt. But beneath that tons of dirt is pure material and some self styled leaders of Hindus and some external forces like you won't allow that to happen for selfish reasons unfortunately
RE:RE:HOW MANY DI CKS YOU SUCKED
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 08:37 PM Permalink
Devdasis are official prostitutes of brahmin priests.And setup red light areas of devadasis close to temple, go to any temple you can find plenty.
Change is the only permanent thing in nature. Today, Brahmins do business like Narayanamurthy instead of spending time learning Vedas. So what is the harm if Brahmins clean Dalit toilets? We broadminded Hindus must give Tamil Nadu style public sector reservations to SC/ST/BC/OBCs/Tribals and also give such reservations in PRIVATE SECTOR. And also clean Dalit toilets just like Gandhi, who was the greatest Hindu. Then nobody will convert to Christianity or Islam. It is very simple. In any case, it is written in our own scriptures that "IN KALIYUGA, CHANDALA WILL RULE OVER BRAHMIN". So our Karma is to diligently clean Dalit toilets for several lifetimes and Yugas so that we can hope to be born as a Dalit who enjoys reservations after several births. This is the right thing to do. Stop fighting Hindu brothers. Already Brahmins are doing the job of Kshatriyas by joining Army and doing the job of Vaishyas by doing business like Infosys Narayanamurthy. So there is no harm if Brahmins clean the toilets of Dalits. After all, they use Harpic to clean the toilets in their own houses. our Lord Ram ate "Jhute Bair"(Half eaten berries ) of a Sweeper lady "Sabri". So what is the harm if all upper castes cleaning Dalit toilets just like Gandhi?
RE:Change is the only permanent thing
by Kittu on Jun 04, 2007 08:37 PM Permalink
Gee.. Uncle, while you were busy typing about toilets, your Awaara aunty is playing koochi-koo with your milk man. Since he is an OBC, I thought this news would make you glad!
The first one is saying Nair and Namboodthiri, both aare matriarchal, which is not the case. Namboothiri, the Kerala Brahmin follows Patriarchism.
The second one is saying Guruvayoorappan is an avatar of Lord Krishna. He is not considered as avtar of Krishna, but Krishna himself, more specifically Krishna as an infant.
And the third is Ravi saying the whole issue is because he is of backward caste Ezhava. The issue was his wife being Christian and Hindu Temples in Kerala does'nt allow non hindus to enter temple premises.
So his son was not considered a Hindu because his mother was Christian.
Ravi has every right to feel aggrieved but being a responsibe citizen and a leader of status he should not distort facts ang give it a casteist colour. Especially in Kerala's background where casteism is not at all prevelant.
And besides all Guruvaayoor Temple gets frequent terrorist threats. Allowing any Tom Dick and Haarry to the centureis old shrine is non acceptable.
And temples in Kerala adhere to strong rituals like not allowing people to have non veg food and go inside it. Non Hindus won't adhere to such strict regimen.
RE:Three Wrong Points in the Article
by Libran on Jun 04, 2007 08:36 PM Permalink
All great points Rohit except the main one - "his son is not considered a Hindu becuase his mother was christian" From where did you derive that? IF you look huistorically, philospohically or verse wise - Ravi's son should be a Hindu. It is not a choice for you or me. It is his choice. A separate "conversion" ceremony is not required - as there is no such thing as conversion to hinduism.
