If Brahman do not permit SCs in temple they should not go there they should make there own temples and should make there own priest,ther should not be any hue and cry on this,since it s happeneing thousnand of years in India Brahman make rest untouchable.But the untouchables should proclaims himself untouchable with pride,no body can make any one untaouchable when God make all people equal,Islam do not allow descrimination in the name of colour catse and creed.Islam is a religion of equality and give equal rights to all human.A black lowest catogry person can lead prayer and a king can read under his leadership
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by raja on Jun 04, 2007 09:35 PM Permalink
lets bomb church,mosque,temples and live peacefully as human being---that is the only way
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by on Jun 04, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
Brahmanism & Islam
Yes Islam does not allow descrimination in the name of colour catse and creed but on the basis of religion.Islam may be a religion of equality for muslims but does not give any rights to non muslims. look at any muslim contry for proof.
Also you forgot to mention zaheer that islam is also a religion of terrorists. so you better preach your errorist brothers before propogating islam.
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by Cool Dude on Jun 04, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
You have written the same things three times already... Get a move on... we get what you mean... writing it so many time will not make things true
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by virendra guptha on Jun 04, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
usman bhai, iam an hindu and i feel very sorry for the incendent which took place.To be frank with you a person is called a brahmin not only by his birth if we go into vedas brahmin is one who learns vedas and practices them. i would also remain you that you have different sort of people with different opinions so naturally things like this which are rare are bound to happen,but dont blame entire people for this. iam sure you also have two sects sunni and shia where you dont pray in mosque togther if iam right.so why to make a cry like this,as this is a single obscure incident. show me a islamic nation which has beautifully built temples,where we are proud that we have world famous jamma masjid of delhi on our land. please let us be togther and prove to all those who want to divide us that we are indeed brothers and no body can separate us. thank you yours gupta
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by zaheen usmani on Jun 05, 2007 06:01 AM Permalink
dear mr. Virendra There is discrimination in this country in the name of caste no doubt south people are much conservative than north.I do not balme any perticular community Brahmain(and other too) are very good even my neighbour Mr. Chandresh tripathi who offer me every day tea and breakfast we eat toghether.Sunni and shia fight but not on the bacis of superiority .In Indonesia and malasia there are temples.and even in Afghanistan too what Taliban did was bad and worst and we do not have any worst words to condemn
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by K. Visweswar rao on Jun 04, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
Why Brahmins prefer missionary and christian schools even go to U.S.and Europe when Beef is eaten and every where non veg food. Even peetadhipathis go to Us and europe,where every knd of non veg food is eaten.Can any body purify them.
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by arvind rb on Jun 04, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
FOR UR KNOWLEDGE ISLAM HAS SHOPWN NOTHING BUT INTOLERANCE BE IS BHAI , PARSIS , DRUZE SHIA WHAT EVER ... DONT TEACH ISLAM WHEN U DONT KNOW HISTORY . IS HE IS A HINDU THE TEMPLE AUTHORITIES SHOULD SAY SORRY .... BUT IS NON HINDUS ARE NOT ALLOWED THAT IS OUR WISH ...SAME AS IN MECCA NO NON MUSLIM IS ALLOWED INSIDE THE CITY
The first one is saying Nair and Namboodthiri, both aare matriarchal, which is not the case. Namboothiri, the Kerala Brahmin follows Patriarchism.
The second one is saying Guruvayoorappan is an avatar of Lord Krishna. He is not considered as avtar of Krishna, but Krishna himself, more specifically Krishna as an infant.
And the third is Ravi saying the whole issue is because he is of backward caste Ezhava. The issue was his wife being Christian and Hindu Temples in Kerala does'nt allow non hindus to enter temple premises.
So his son was not considered a Hindu because his mother was Christian.
Ravi has every right to feel aggrieved but being a responsibe citizen and a leader of status he should not distort facts ang give it a casteist colour. Especially in Kerala's background where casteism is not at all prevelant.
And besides all Guruvaayoor Temple gets frequent terrorist threats. Allowing any Tom Dick and Haarry to the centureis old shrine is non acceptable.
And temples in Kerala adhere to strong rituals like not allowing people to have non veg food and go inside it. Non Hindus won't adhere to such strict regimen.
RE:Three Wrong Points in this Article
by dtr on Jun 04, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
Hi Rohit,
What I hear from Hindus, is that, Hinduism is a culture. So for Hindus,all the native born Indians should be a hindu. Why do you see 'Mercy Ravi' as christian, only when it comes to Temple issues?
If Brahman do not permit SCs in temple they should not go there they should make there own temples and should make there own priest,ther should not be any hue and cry on this,since it s happeneing thousnand of years in India Brahman make rest untouchable.But the untouchables should proclaims himself untouchable with pride,no body can make any one untaouchable when God make all people equal,Islam do not allow descrimination in the name of colour catse and creed.Islam is a religion of equality and give equal rights to all human.A black lowest catogry person can lead prayer and a king can read under his leadership
RE:Brahman Attitude & Islam
by Rohit on Jun 04, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Tell me why are you follwing the religion of Arabian Desert Tribes ? for the Great Shariaw laws ? Or banning Music and art like done in Pakistan, or destroying Bhamiyan Budhas which was there before the advent of Islam ???
RE:RE:Brahman Attitude & Islam
by Cool Dude on Jun 04, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
Lets not go there Rohit. Every guy thinks his religion is the ONLY TRUE RELIGION. Pity not everyone is broadminded and keep their eyes open to faults of their own faith... Chill out dude.
RE:Brahman Attitude & Islam
by zaheen usmani on Jun 04, 2007 09:28 PM Permalink
All the tribes in Islam are equal.Sexuality and voulgarism is not allowed in Islam.destroying temples and mosqueas are bad and not allowed in Islam if some one do it is his individual choice and he must be punished for the same.
RE:Brahman Attitude & Islam
by Cool Dude on Jun 04, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
A black lowest catagory person????? Sounds like you guys discriminate too...
RE:Brahman Attitude & Islam
by raja on Jun 04, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
lets bomb church,mosque,temples and live peacefully as human being---that is the only way
Vayalr Ravi is creating an atmosphere in Kerala that Guruvayor Temple Authroties denying entries to him and his wife and children(Wife is Christian, I think so) because of his OBC status. He is playing with fire and is creating communal disturbance which is always their party is doing in the entire country for the sake of strengthening his party's family rule in India. Hindus everywhere in the country, can go and make darshan in any place in India including Guruvaoor. But it doesn't mean that Hindu Temples should be opened for the other non-believers and religions. When he planned to marry a non hindu, they should atleast understant the repercussions on the thinking and prayings to God. Do not force to change the rules and destroy Hindu's Culture. There are number of problems country is facing. He is a Minister and do his job. Don't play with religion
RE:DON'T PLAY WITH DIRTY RELIGIONS POLITICS MR. VAYALAR RAVI!!!
by raja on Jun 04, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
lets bomb church,mosque,temples and live peacefully as human being
It is time for Hinduism to grow up and shed all vestiges of the past. I would suggest a major conference of all the Hindu leaders in India. The following topics should be discussed: 1. The caste system should be abandoned completely, and all traces of casteism on our birth records should be erased. Instead, they may establish general standards regarding who can become priests in a temple (e.g. study and knowledge of the scriptures, living a life which respects all persons and animals, and following well accepted rules of good behaviour). Such priests may be of any birth, and should be supported in their education and life by all Hindus. 2. Untouchability and discrimination of any kind should be made immoral, according to the dictates of the religion 3. An order or orgainization (s) should be established for the uplift of the poor and uneducated people in all counties, similar to various Christian organizations. 4. Any perosn belonging to another religion or with no faith in God at all, if they wnt to come to a temple and pray, or simply visit, should be allowed to do so, as long as they floow the general rules (similar to how a Hindu or any one may visit most of the mosques around the world) 5. There should be an active dilaogue between the Hindu leaders and leaders of other religions to find grounds for peaceful co existance, based on the Universal oneness of gods. I think that it is high time that our Hindu leaders stepped up to the plate and started behaving in a man
@sekhar: your suggestion is good, but unfortunately you are unable to see the politics behind this.
FACT IS: RAVI NEVER SAYING HIS WIFE/NO OTHER XTIAN MEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILY WENT TO THE TEMPLE WITH HIM.
Yes his son/grandsons are Hindus. But why he took his wife along with him when she do NOT believe in Hinduism.
Also remember, Ezhavas were NEVER disalllowed from Guruvayur. Only Dalits were not allowed which was corrected by Gandhiji. Ezhavas were NOT dalits either.
RE:Barhminical Arrogance
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
Bhaskar Chattopadhyay
Do you go to temple that too to yours sons very important ceremony without your wife.Either you must be a creul haressing husband or your wife will give you a divorce next day and you dont care about it.
Hello Mates, India is not a hindu country. Its secular state. But the majorities are Hindus. Lets not divide ourselve by religion or caste. We are Indians. Lets not allow our politicians to divide us.
If one believes that GOD is omnipresent, then that person wouldn't care to worship GOD only in temples. For that person, GOD is same everywhere - be it his home, temple, or in his own heart. So, a person with this world-view wouldn't complain about temples. Now, we all know that temples (or other places of worship) are structures built and maintained according to certain rules (called aagama shaastra). It is the purity given by these rules that gives a special strength and power to the temple; that's the reason why only certain temples attract huge crowds. Now, not all temples are built according to the aagama shaastra. It is only a very minority of them that are built and maintained like this. Guruvayoor is one. So, those who believe that temples have special healing powers, should obey the rules set by them. As an ordinary citizen, we don't have powers to question these rules. They are set by a community who have been given the powers to do so. Only they have the rights to modify it.
Do we question the rules laid down by foriegn countries for issuing VISA? Do we question the rules laid down for traffic? Admission for IITs/IIMs? Every 'system' has rules. These rules are laid down to protect the system. If we want to be part of the system (and benefit from it), we have no option but to obey it.
RE:God and Temples
by Rathnakanth Jayaprakash on Jun 04, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
who gave this 'community' the rights to modify the so called 'rules'. The upper castes always want to oppress the lower caste because they want cheap labour to do their chores - like slaves. Its nothing but impunity and arrogance to deny basic rights to a human being by attributing reasons to his or her birth. If this is the state of a minister anyone can easily imagine what would be the state of a poor labourer. I wouldn't be surprised if these 'communities' still asks the poor peasants to drink from separate glasses or remove the footwear when in the upper caste areas. The government should strongly come down on such atrocities where humanity is insulted in the name of God. No use having a law unless it is implemented in letter and spirit. Shame on us, we still do nothing about such acts of intolerance.
RE:Marxists Mum on Christian Mess
by Cool Dude on Jun 04, 2007 09:18 PM Permalink
Come on Rohit... put up something new... we are getting tired of the same old postings..
