India is the only country in the world to which USA agreed to give nuclear cooperation without signing the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty Experts said the USA agreed to give India advance, long-term permission to reprocess U.S.-origin nuclear material once New Delhi builds a new reprocessing facility that would only use such material. This is happening despite the fact that the Americans "do not give consent rights to reprocess except to our closest allies, Japan and Euratom, The 123 agreement also says that while the United States might cut off nuclear cooperation in the event of an Indian nuclear test, it will seek to ensure India continues receiving fuel from other sources. Australia signaled Thursday it is edging toward a decision to sell uranium to India despite the refusal by New Delhi to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.
Any sane person would be concerned,if someone hands something for nothing.
Every mother tells her child to never accept candy from a stranger..... a fovorite trick of pedophiles. Think !why would Michael Jackson set up a 20 million dollar Wonderland for kids ?
India since you accepted the candy,now get ready for the joy ride,complete with joy stick.
US will continue to harass and harangue India every time there is an issue where US needs India's full support and compliance as US sees it fit and not from India's foreign policy perspective. Don't kid yourself.Better be prepared for a rude awakening.
RE:Sleeping With The Enemy
by saif kashmiri on Aug 10, 2007 11:29 PM Permalink
india will overcome poverty only if it associates itself with powerful nations like US, UK etc.we have 1/3 population living before rs 20 per day.for the improvement (finacially)of our poor population there is nothing bad even if we have to support US .IRAN, SAUDIS, are useless countries they have nothing other than oil .
RE:Sleeping With The Enemy
by Mar Thoma on Aug 11, 2007 01:25 AM Permalink
Saudis are useless- everybody knows it. they are slaves of America. everything is occupied by americans and king is afraid to touch americans. UK - it is no longer a powerful nation. Iran - it will become a power within next 10 years. (good for India)
RE:Sleeping With The Enemy
by Jehan Mir on Aug 11, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
Nuclear deal is not going to make India any rich. It would only pay part of electric bill like any household .
India will overcome poverty only if she would first control her ever burgeoning,nightmarish, population explosion which eats up any positive growth in economy. Secondly, India must get off the war horse and spend the money earned by Indian blood,sweat and tears on its infrastructure and development of job producing industries instead of buying expensive,outdated or soon to be obsolete military equipment from foreign countries and to be cool and pragmatic in resolving any outstanding issues with Pakistan which would bring other immense collateral benefits beyond India's purview.....certainly a lot more than any nuclear deal can possibly bring in.
RE:RE:Sleeping With The Enemy
by Lalatendu Deo on Aug 11, 2007 01:10 PM Permalink
Mir, I fully agree with your observation on the population explosion. Only I have this to say these.
- The Nuclear Deal would pave the way for setting up of about half a dozen Reactors. If we do not set up some power plants immediately, the demand -supply condition will bring us to a situation where we have to pay considerable high rate for our power consumptions as well as the Power would only be available for limited hours for our Industries, for our house holds, our street lights. Our Coal for power is depleting and we can not have more Major Dams.
- Secondly, the population growth percentage is coming down fastly, as now no one can think of having more and more children. Even in Rural India it is not more than three children. So the situation is not that bleak now.
the indian people are being led to believe by the political spin masters and the media that pm's statemnt in parliament has some magical enforcement effect on the agreement under question - like the hyde act. no sir, those words of pm are no more significant to the agreement than the posts that routinely appear on rediff. but what will matter is what the loksabha decides thr' a full debate and a full vote. the hype around pm's meanigless statement is designed to stop the loksabha debate. the indian people are being duped again by congressis. remeber, nehru wouldn't have become pm if peoles' wishes were not thwarted by crafty gandhi. if mahatma can do it, the congressis of today will most cerainly do it. time for ten million peoples' march on indian parliament is right now.
123 is only a small agreement which will guide us through installation of about half a dozen or so Power Plants in our country. There are several thousands such things that is what our foreign policy is all about. No doubt it is a step towards our co-operation with the US. And we can always step back. Even after signing, if we do set up not even a single Reactor, what would be the significance of the Deal. And these hulla boo would amount to a big zero.
And we all are talking about the Violation of the agreement. Why should we not talk about its compliance by both the parties? There are provisions in the Agreement to take care of the Hypotheticals and the Ifs & the Buts and in all probability none of these would arise in the entire life time of the agreement.
But it is good to see so many moving ideas in these columns.
RE:123 - Is It So Big?
by Lalatendu Deo on Aug 10, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
Having said so, I must say that the other party is very unreliable one and we have to make provisions and Safe Pits to fall back upon.
And who would make the US to comply, if it wishes not to honour any or all of the provisions of 123? And they are the only ones who can always say what is there in the agreement. And no one else. But there is no way India can do any such thing in the entire life of the agreement.
Burn's suggestion to India for not to go ahead with Iran affair is somewhat acceptable, though not for the explicit reasoning from an American. There is always a definite fear that there would be a change of guard in Iran due to external reasons or otherwise, and if such a thing happen, we would be putting all our investments in a question box. But seeing the bleak scenario on the energy front in the near future, the investment risk is worth taking. Similar to the one through our upcoming agreement with the US for Nuclear Energy. A seemingly lucrative proposal of cheap long term oil supply was there for India to accept, when Saddam was in power. India had thoughtfully declined the Offer.
But Iran India Pipeline is not that risky. But if some one in Govt. of US says something we have to take note of it. One never knows.
RE:Iran -Pak- India Pipeline
by saif kashmiri on Aug 10, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
IRAN - PAKISTAN -INDIA pipeline will not be implemented for another 20 to 30 years
RE:Iran -Pak- India Pipeline
by Lalatendu Deo on Aug 11, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
I think the conditions Iranians and Pakis are putting, unlike that in the 123 Agreement, are not acceptable to us. But as there is a hege demand of is gas is there here, as there is a huge supply of gas is there in Iran for which no long-term taker is there, and the middle man in the shape of Pakistan, who are going to get a sizable money with out doing anything. I think the things would trickle in to an all acceptable solution, soon.
