Re: Why Only Cricket?
by adalrich kauffman on May 31, 2012 01:59 PM
Because all the Intellect is used towards Building Temples, Elephants, Statues...Stashing awa Billions..Inciting Communal Hatred....and what not else...
I don't think he can be really called the world champion.I don't think he can easily win aginst players like magnus carlsen,topolov..etc who are really tough.
Re: Few questions
by French Cuisine on May 31, 2012 12:44 PM
What are you talking about? He just beat Topalov in the last WC match. You are just kidding.
Re: Few questions
by utsav contractor on May 31, 2012 12:46 PM
he has defeated topalov in 2010 and kramnik in 2008 for world championship..... magnus carlsen also couldnt survive against him in past... kasparov and kramnik both had said that vishy anand is the best....
Re: Few questions
by sailor on May 31, 2012 12:48 PM
Rajath, it just shows your ignorance and prejudice. Vishy is the greatest Indian and a world record holder for winning the world championship 4 times in a row to make it a total of 5.
Re: Few questions
by mangesh mhatre on May 31, 2012 12:51 PM
Boris Gelfand must have attained the status of the Challenger after he beat other Top Grandmasters in the matches for selection of the Challenger. So technically Gelfand is better than Carlsen & Topolov.
We congratulate you Mr. Vishwanathan Anand for your incredible success that no one can achieve in his life. You really deserve the title Bharat Ratna. The Govts which understand only cricket may not be able to felicitate you properly but it is common man who is always with you. We wish you best of your career and healthy future.
vishy had always been tough and now came out in high spirits. no doubt, his achievement means good for chess in general and india in particular. no vote for conferring bharat ratna. he is natural in his game and played his chess toughly. s true world champion, he is.
hats off to you Mr. Anand ! You are a true champion. You are a true hero. Would a Bharat Ratna make any difference to your greatness? I don't think it will.Don't even eye for it and for a Rajya Sabha membership for that matter since these awards and rewards in this country, though great, are so much laced with political disease that you may end up getting contracted with same.
People have started noticing now that Anand should be awarded a Bharat Ratna. Undoubtedly he is a prime candidate but people are missing the whole point. Where is the enthusiasm for chess in this country? People are just looking for - "oh he won, or oh we lost" kind of an attitude. Without garnering more enthusiasm for chess and taking a concerted effort to promote the game the whole point is lost. I am happy that Tamil Nadu tried to introduce the game in schools - but many parts of India have produced great talents. And yet when I go to the bookstore to pick up a book on chess there is none! Infact the recent bookstores are more or less scrapping all science sections in favor of businessManagement andPolitics. Everyone wantsAnMBA and all other intellectualPursuits are abandoned. Go toYour localCrosswords store - you will find not one book on chess. But if you are in the US - go to BarnesAndNobles and you will find at least fiftyBooks and ChessPuzzles. So what is the whole point - a nationOf aBillion canProduce at most 10 worldClassIntellects. Hehehe - meraBharatMahan!
Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by Rajendra Bongale on May 31, 2012 11:32 AM
Do you find books on cricket in USA or Germany or Spain? That means the so called the game cricket played in just 7/8 countries of entire world is not to be praised?Football is palyed throughout the world.But can you get books in India?is that means football is not good game?Be a true sportsman and admire/appricaite what Anand has achieved.
Re: Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by French Cuisine on May 31, 2012 11:43 AM
Do you find books on cricket in USA or Germany or Spain? >> What isTheSize ofGermany? What is theSize ofIndia? HowMany OlympicMedalsWill GermanyWinAnd HowMany WillIndia Win? Because nobodyElse competes in cricketYou canAnd that tooYou loseAllTestMatches played abroad. YouAreOneTrue Sportsman.
That means the so called the game cricket played in just 7/8 countries of entire world is not to be praised?
>> "SwadeshePujyateRajaBidyanSarbatraPujyate".
Football is palyed throughout the world.But can you get books in India?is that means football is not good game?
Be a true sportsman and admire/appricaite what Anand has achieved. >> IamQuite familiarWithMany of hisGames and doNot needYour advice how to admireHim. YouMay admireKalidasBut haveYou readAny ofHisWorks?
Re: Re: Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by Rajendra Bongale on May 31, 2012 12:01 PM
Thats fine that what I expected from you.You should have a great heart to admire what Anad has achieved.I dont insist that you should argue with me.
Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by VASUDEVAN V on May 31, 2012 11:48 AM
Oh, I never knew Bharat Ratna is given for `popularity' and not for achievements. The mad game of cricket is followed by the whole country, thanks to the media. So, even though it is a team game and unless the other 10 chip in the greatest could never have achieved what he did, he is recommended for Bharat Ratna, because he wins the `popularity' contest. Anand has won 5 world championships, achieved everything under the sun in Chess, which is played by more countries than cricket will ever be played, but he cannot be given Bharat Ratna, because he fails the `popularity' contest. Going by `popular' notion I think Rakhi Sawant will win any popularity contest hands down! May be she should be given Bharat Ratna! Why not?
Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by K Bhaskaran on May 31, 2012 11:54 AM
I do not agree. India has so many grandmasters and IMs. Just becuase you do not find books in the stores and because media does not report chess, it does not mean that there is no enthuiasm. So many youngters play chess in India and we have a lot of talent in this country. Unfortunately, chess is not a physical game and cannot be shown on TV. That does not mean chess is not popular.Bharat Ratna to Anand, which he deserves more than any one else, will do a lot of good to Indian Chess.
Re: Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by Rajendra Bongale on May 31, 2012 12:04 PM
Who told you that chess can not be shown on TV.The Russian TV showed it live for full 13 days.Media does not report because they do not get sponsers for that.What media shows is not right always.
Re: Re: Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by French Cuisine on May 31, 2012 12:36 PM
Yes - you are right. The match was being telecast live from the official website. Luckily I was able to follow it online, if a billion Indians logged into follow it I would have been thrown out from the server.
Re: Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by French Cuisine on May 31, 2012 12:14 PM
AdmittedlyIndia has done anAdmirable job in developingChess - butThis is still a B or a C gradeJob. ManyCities in India have put up chessAcademies, which train youngsters, and some of whom go to becomeGMs. Chess is an intellectualAndIndividual endevour, so unless you make books and magazines available chess is never reallyPopularized. No matter how much you argue. Say you are a great student, but no matter how good yourRducation neverReaches you unless the booksAre available. Same is that withChess - Israeli newspapers coveredGelfand withExtensive gameAnalysis. Anand was mostly confined to backpages in TOI with hardly anyAnalysis. There was never a hooplaOver this great internationalContest with our icon featuring in it, of course compare it with what happened withIPL. Publish books on chess, publish magazines on chess and continue good work in the chessAcademies and then there is a promotingOfChess. In this marketDriven economy it is simply not the case. Anand probably deserves theRatna richly, but itWill notHelp is myPoint. It will largely still be an individual effort. Just like any other sport apart from cricket. The absence of anyKind ofPopular bookOnChess that is readily availableInStores says it allToMe.
People have started noticing now that Anand should be awarded a Bharat Ratna. Undoubtedly he is a prime candidate but people are missing the whole point. Where is the enthusiasm for chess in this country? People are just looking for - "oh he won, or oh we lost" kind of an attitude. Without garnering more enthusiasm for chess and taking a concerted effort to promote the game the whole point is lost. I am happy that Tamil Nadu tried to introduce the game in schools - but many parts of India have produced great talents. And yet when I go to the bookstore to pick up a book on chess there is none! Infact the recent bookstores are more or less scrapping all science sections in favor of businessManagement andPolitics. Everyone wantsAnMBA and all other intellectualPursuits are abandoned. Go toYour localCrosswords store - you will find not one book on chess. But if you are in the US - go to BarnesAndNobles and you will find at least fiftyBooks and ChessPuzzles. So what is the whole point - a nationOf aBillion canProduce at most 10 worldClassIntellects. Hehehe - meraBharatMahan!
Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by Ashok Tandon on May 31, 2012 04:04 PM
Mr French if you want to learn chess depend on your own brain and use it properly. If you buy chess books and start mugging by heart games of others it will take you nowhere. Be original like Anand and use your own brain my humble advice
Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by Ramakrishna Rao on May 31, 2012 12:04 PM
how many world chess champions are there in 1.50bn populated china,ur assessemnt is very substandard and cheap true to ur name
Re: Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by French Cuisine on May 31, 2012 12:24 PM
China is now the no 1 chess team in Asia and closely compete with Russia for world title. In the recent China vs Russia match Chinese won. Just a few days ago the Asian meet was held and our GMs could not figure out theirs. India is a powerhouse, but comparing to CHina it is small. They are producing WGMs at an amazing rate - all top WGMs are Chinese. GMs are catching up. In the next century chess belongs to one country - China according to chessgames. In summary China has done a better job than India in grooming talent.
As for being cheap - even with your superstandardName you hardly have an argument. YourArgument is that China is extremelyPoor inChess - so thatImplies thatIndia shouldAlso doPoorly inPopularizing chess. You get negativeMarks for your joke.
Re: Re: Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by Ashok Tandon on May 31, 2012 04:10 PM
I met Hou Yifan in Delhi last year when she was playing there in a tournament. She is a very simple, humble and down to earth girl just like Anand.
Re: Re: Issue with Bharat Ratna
by French Cuisine on May 31, 2012 12:30 PM
Please see the article titled "China dominates RussiaVsChina Match" from SusanPolgar's chess blog.
Sania Mirza lost in 1st round in French Open.Well its not surprising.Everywhere she does the same thing.But still our great media highlight here as if she is gr8 world champion.Is she Indian or Paki now?
Re: Media
by Jay C on May 31, 2012 01:09 PM
Whatever Sania has done is with the limited facility that were there in India. She should be applaued for that, so also Vishy Anand. These sportsmen have done best with whatever they got in India. If they had born in the US etc., they would have got the best in the world, and if they had failed, then criticising them would have made some sense. In India only cricket is supported, because it has money, and money makes things move, while most of the students in other sports from young age, they put their own money for travel, food and stay during tournaments etc., So, let us appreciate their efforts, rather than pulling legs of people who have dared to be in different sports than cricket.
Re: Media
by French Cuisine on May 31, 2012 02:27 PM
And does it also occur to you that there are zero number of tennis courts in schools and cities, leave alone the villages.
Re: Re: Media
by Rajendra Bongale on May 31, 2012 11:36 AM
But what I have heard and read is that she represents India at international.How it be possible?Suppose if by fluke if she wins some title,then to whom she will dedicate that title?
Re: Media
by hari nair on May 31, 2012 12:52 PM
Dear Rajendra, When she was young she could not win titles, now that she is married and is in the category of AUNTY, do u expect her to reach the 2nd round?? Her ABBU did the right thing - got her married. he knew her daughter's life as a tennis pro is finished and it is better to get her married.
I remember Anand saying usually the move that comes to mind immediately has been the right one for him - which shows he is a natural. He showed who is the king when it comes to the rapids. Great energy and confidence during tie breaks. Well done sir!
Re: King of the Rapids
by Ashok Tandon on May 31, 2012 04:15 PM
He has always been a natural. i remember Anand winning his first National A title in RCF hostel in Mumbai in 1986 when he was a 16 year old kid wearing half pants
Chess is comparatively intellectual game whereas cricket is more of physical nature.
No doubt, he is indeed brilliant than cricketers..
However, for recognition from political and Indian mass for awards like Bharat Ratna, it is better he is from a BC or a Muslim..
If He were SRK or Kalam, our leaders and intellectual Indian public would have lined up in queue.. and compete with each other to greet him, demand for Bharata Ratna..
Whereas he is a Hindu and that too a Iyer Brahmin.. No wonder, no political leaders are quick enough to beat the Drums for Him...
Re: Re: Congrats
by Sivakumar R on May 31, 2012 11:20 AM
but Vishy is shoulder about many of the Padma Shris. Anad must be recognizd with Bharat Rathna. This will ensure Bharath rathna as an award stays meaningful!
Re: Congrats
by Net Citizen on May 31, 2012 11:18 AM
well said, fully agree with you. Citing his home in Spain and NRI status, more execuses from political parties. However he has NIIT tag permanently.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congrats
by Chakarapani on May 31, 2012 11:59 AM
Ok Einstein, send ur brilliant question to national information treasury, they will find out and tell, if they have horns or not
