have u ever heard about "the hand of god" in football folklore where diego maradona netted a goal using his "hands" quite "intentionally" and argentina won the game 2-1 , that is "cheating"
coz he wasnt penalised for deliberately handling the ball instead his team won the match
suarez didnt cheat any 1 u can argue that he might have been unsportive but he got his punishment a red card sentoff which is the maximum punishment rule laid down by FIFA itself
and suggestions like life ban etc cannot be incorporated for handballs
what about the goals which are actually scored and not awarded
are the referees and umpires penalised for that ???? are they banned for life ???? what action is taken against them
and who knows whether they didnt "cheat" or they didnt make a mistake "intentionally" or "partially"
u can call it whatever u want but its better luck to Ghana next time
i must say he was quite smart putting his hand out, reminded me of suicide bombers, ready to get red card but winning wont be easy against us. Well done.
This whole argument of everyone stopping the balls with their hands is absurd. If that was so, a lot of ppl would have already done it. FAce it, what other option did Suarez have? And how was he to know that Gyan would miss the penalty? He knew that by sticking up his hand, he ould get a red card but since it was the dying moments of the game, he didn't hesitate. It would have been cheating if there weren't any consequences but there were. And it is Ghana's fault they didn't conevrt!
Re: Absurd
by Thomas Abraham on Jul 05, 2010 05:00 PM
Its pathetic to see people trying to justify Suarez's action. They say that since he knows and suffered the consequences, its ok. Thats just like saying that its ok to sexually abuse and violate others so long as you know the consequences and suffer the same.
Re: Re: Absurd
by stryker on Jul 06, 2010 03:38 AM
dude sexually abusing , homicide are criminal activities
handling a football is not a criminal offence even in cricket if a batsman handles the ball he is given out
suarez got what he deserved a red card and a penalty kick to ghana these are the rules of the game made by FIFA itself and why not ban umpires and referees for incorrect decisions who knows they might do it partially and intentionally
better luck next time for ghanaians they werent just good enough
Re: Re: Absurd
by Sudden Lee on Jul 06, 2010 09:49 AM
What a stupid correlation! Talk sports,dude. What should he have done? Watch the ball go right in? There are various degrees of doing something wrong. Equating sexual assault and a deliberate handballonly exposes your lack of intelligence. Id you want to debate, at least remain on the same tangent.
In this case, the ball was ont eh goal line and there was no one else between the ball and net. hence it was clear goal that was prevented by Suarez. Ideally either this should have been given a goal or there shuold be a new way of awarding Penalties i.e. without evne a GK in front of the goal. for fouls inside the penlaty are normal penalty Kick should be there, but for clear prevention of goals i.e. where the ball is heading goalwards and there are no defenders to prevent it, it should be given a goal.
Re: Rule should be there to award goals directly
by armaan younis on Jul 05, 2010 03:05 PM
Himanshu, stop talking shit and follow your dumb game of cricket
First of all Luis Suarez cheated and for that he was called hero by his country fellows.He didnt feel guilty about it and this is how he gave example to his country and the youngsters and the cheat code in extra time for future use by other players.Fifa should learn from this world cup and make some changes in the book of rules. They should also introduce video refering for critical decisions like offsides, denial of goals, foals etc.
Re: Cheating
by raja kumar on Jul 05, 2010 10:49 AM
Then foot ball will become a sport like golf or five day test match. The video referal system has affected the flow of the hockey in the recent world cup held in India. Do you want the same thing to happen in foot ball. Instead I suggest, video refereeing should be there and he can reject or accept any goal only if its done with hands or the ball bouncing back after crossing the goal line. The flow of the game should not be stopped and the score alone has to be changed according to the decision.
Re: Re: Cheating
by kaushik sonowal on Jul 07, 2010 01:21 AM
Even a 1 goal make a difference between losing and winning. So FIFA should minimise as much errors as they can.
In cricket we all know there is an LBW rule. And this rule is a bit ambiguous bcos there is no way of knowing even using Hawk-eye whether a ball is going to hit the stumps or not. But all other conditions being met, if the umpire thinks so, then he is given out. Sometimes wrongfully too. Now that is the rule of the game. Now in soccer there is not such thing as HBG...hand before the goal..!! There is only a penalty kick, if it takes place inside the D. So u cant say they cheated. They just stretched things to give them a semblance of a chance. And it clicked. One can say its a comedy of errors..A cricketer is not banned for deliberate padding, he is only given LBW if the ball is going to hit the stumps in the opinion of the umpire. So same with football here..
Re: NO LBW kind of rule in football..
by Rashmin Shah on Jul 05, 2010 06:20 PM
In this very unhappy incident, all 11 players (in fact a whole team representing a nation and not just one cricketer) were thrown/dumped out of the football world cup because of deliberate handball. This is not sensible in terms of 'FAIR PLAY'!!! The said player could have used his head or chest or shoulder considering the height to stop the ball from entering the nets but instead chose his hands to stop the jabulani on the goal line in the dying seconds to prevent a certain goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal and cheated way to victory...... In very very very critical situation (such as this one) the player should be given life ban by FIFA after ascertaining and re-ascertaining the magnitude of blunder/offense and this could perhaps be a lethal warning/lesson for the players who cheat their way to victories. Banning just one game for deliberate cheating (such as this grave one) is a cruel joke!!! Now this is called comedy of errors!!!
Re: Re: Re: NO LBW kind of rule in football..
by Rashmin Shah on Jul 06, 2010 10:58 AM
Fools only laugh at the commedy of errors..........not sensible people!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NO LBW kind of rule in football..
by Rashmin Shah on Jul 06, 2010 05:58 PM
never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig. adieus.......
there is no rule in place right now regarding handling the ball "intentionally" apart from the player being sent off
Ghana are the ones who didnt deserve to go through to the next round , Gyan missed the penalty its his fault ,they couldnt win the penalty shootout its Ghana team's fault their problem
suarez handled the ball and was sent off he got what he deserved
ghana got what they deserved and
uruguay got what they deserved - a place in WC semis
if FIFA thinks "suarez" and uruguay "cheated" better change the rules "next" time .
no need to create a controversy of that incident now
better look at refereeing blunders where goals are not awarded even when the ball crosses the fuking line lampard's goal not "awarded" is a shinning example
Re: deserved
by YOUSUF ANAS on Jul 05, 2010 10:30 AM
If that so, from now on everybody will try to stop the ball with their hands if it is heading for the net. So they will have a chance with the penalty strike.
Re: Re: deserved
by kaustubh saha on Jul 05, 2010 10:41 AM
That'll be a bad idea because its a red card offence. For Suarez it made sense because it was done at the last minute of extra time. So his red card doesnt hurt the team except for that they'll miss him in the penalty shootouts. It wont make sense for everybody to try to stop the ball using hands everytime the ball is coming towards the nets.
Re: Re: Re: deserved
by Rajesh Shetty on Jul 05, 2010 10:58 AM
100 percent right. We have seen many 'cheat goals' off the hand unlike this one in which he deliberately tried to stop the ball. And he paid the price for it. And one could argue in hindsight that had the Ghana striker been good enough to beat everyone's attempt to stop the ball ( by hand or head or foot ) then they would have got a goal and the whole discussion would not have taken place. So everyone here paid the price for what they did and for what they did not.
Ghana should have been in. Kaka should have beed awarded penalty in first half, referee was biased towards Netherlands. Bommel was bulldozing anybody and everybody still no action. To me he should have been sent of thrice in the match.
rule of football if uruguay have handed the ball which shot by ghana player then refere should award to ghana as goal instead of penalty.. why refer order ghana for penalty due to handed ball by urugay worldcup 2010 foot ball referes are very worst impire.
Re: hand the ball - award goal to ghana
by Rajesh Shetty on Jul 05, 2010 10:07 AM
hello..there is something wrong with u. Irrespective of other umpiring errors, there was nothing he could have done in this particular case. And what is the yardstick that a particular ball would have gone into the goal if he had not blocked it. Do u mean to say that for any handball(deliberate or not ) a goal should be given ? The beauty of this whole thing is the amazing result that it has brought. One has to go by the rules. And the rules say its a foul for a deliberate handball, punishable by a a red card and a penalty. Rules are rule and one has to go by the rule book and not emotions. One could argue that the Ghana striker was not no good enough to put it across without being obstucted by any Uruguay player, hand or no hand...!
Re: Re: hand the ball - award goal to ghana
by stryker on Jul 05, 2010 10:19 AM
even if its a deliberate handball a penalty can only be given if the handball is committed in the D area else just a free kick is awarded apart from the player being sent off
Re: Re: Re: hand the ball - award goal to ghana
by Rajesh Shetty on Jul 05, 2010 10:43 AM
I think more than a handball, it is hard tackles that are more unsporting in football. But even for that all u get is a free kick/penalty and a red card, not a gift goal...u have to hit the goal urself in football...by hook or crook..
Re: Re: hand the ball - award goal to ghana
by Venkateswaran Natarajan on Jul 05, 2010 11:03 AM
Rajesh, In this case it was noticeable that the ball was just going to cross the goalline. This argument does not go well with me that the Ghana Striker was not good enough. There is no place for cheating in sport no matter what the decision later on. The way you are stating it will soon become acceptable to commit a blatant foul on the opposing team's star player or get him booked through some wonderful play acting. This is cheating .. End of discussion .. The ball was going in .. The uruguay player does not deserve to ever play international football. We watch football as it is a beautiful game not a manipulated one ..
Re: Re: Re: hand the ball - award goal to ghana
by Rajesh Shetty on Jul 05, 2010 11:27 AM
Fine..agreed. Now this heated discussion is taking place bcos it happened in the last minute. Throughout the 90 mins in every match we see numerous fouls, hard physical tackes, some that result in not only obstructing goal-runs, but also severe injuries for life. How clean is that..? Why dont u think that is cheating ? In that case we will have 22 cheats in every game. You can call Suarez's unsporting, but not a cheat. Something like Chapells underarm ball...but at least that was planned cheating..not an impuslive decision. But they changed the rules of cricket for that right..? Let FIFA change its rules, so that a free gift goal is given for such stops. Also let FIFA give free gift goals instead of free kicks/penalties for tackles ..since u want the beautiful non-manipulated game..
