And we thought we had Fixing in Cricket.What a Shame to watch Toyota & McLaren indulging in one of the Most Balant & will be talked about in years Move.Since Toyota Formula 1 Boss is on his way out & the Indicatives are he may be stationed at McLaren guess what happens in the last 20 Seconds.The Greatest Scam was pulled out in the Front of Billion of Viewers.If Vettel had not passed Lewis the Toyota & Glock would not have made this move.I was never a fan Of Massa but after yesterday i was heart broken as here was a Driver who was dogged by Bad luck ( econd lat lap leading the race his Engine Blows away , Leading the race & a Feul Pipe undos his race & many more ) but to be hit below the Belt like this will break any mortal mans spirit.There has to be a Enquiry as Glocks move allowed changes in the Points position of other Teams which is not allowed in F1.McLaren after the Spying scandal last year have outdone themselves this year.Sports is no more about Fairness but now its Money Power.
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by Truth Teller on Nov 03, 2008 04:20 PM
The biggest scam pulled away in front of billion people and the only people who could notice that was you and some other Indians .. Bravo .. If only you had this skill in something contructive ..
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by rajeev sharma on Nov 03, 2008 04:34 PM
I CERTAINELY RESPECT THE FEELINGS OF ALL FERRARI FANS, AS THEY BARK AFTER LOOSING, NOW THEY SHOULD ALSO LEARN TO DIGEST MCLAREN VICTORY: HATS OFF TO HAMILTON WHO IS TRULY WORLD CHAMPION. WHY YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE THE EARLIER RACES MOVES EITHER BY FIA OR FERRARI FAVOURING FERRARI DRIVERS, LIKE IN BELGIUM, JAPAN, CHINA ALL INCIDENTS SHOWS THE FERRARI IS DOING ALL DIRTY TRICKS TO WIN RACES AND NOT MCLAREN. PLEASE ALLOW MCLAREN AND HAMILTON TO WORK FOR REST OF THE COMING YEARS TO WIN ALL CHAMPIONSHIPS. GOOD LUCK TO MCLAREN MERCEDES AND CONDOLANCES TO FERRARI.
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by ashish nigam on Nov 03, 2008 06:25 PM
and what u have to say abut .. Hamilton hitting from the back of a stationed ferrari on pit exit ??
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by RacingForIndia on Nov 03, 2008 12:09 PM
If Toyota wanted Lewis to win wouldn’t they just ask their guy to spin off rather than make it so obvious. Also please remember after the first pits stop Lewis was wheel to wheel with another Toyota (Trullis car I think) and had to regain his place after overtaking that car on the track. If Kubicas needless pass is fine with you guys I don’t see why is it so difficult for you'll to fathom that Timo was on the wettest part of the circuit and was on Dry tires. Also te lap times of both Timo and Trulli for that final lap are identical (1.44)so its not a as if one of them moved over or something. But I think you guys should continue throwing brickbats at McLaren, its nice to see the Tifosi RED. Go Macaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Re: Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by rocker on Nov 03, 2008 04:29 PM
u r talkin as if spinning off is the easiest thing to do on purpose.... do u realise that they are not driving at 40kmph and even if its planned a spin off could hurt the driver.... (the "parking" incident)
my obv guess is ur one of those ppl who were bugged with MS winning nonstop and if u remember his last season in Monaco qualifyin, u would realise that even that much experience cant help u spin off easily...
Re: Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by andrew achayan on Nov 03, 2008 04:47 PM
dear Sir, Timo was 13 sec faster than lewis before final Lap. Suddenly Timo started slowing as soon as Vettle started attacking Lewis, Also Timo personally came and congratulate Lewis at the pits before award function - Some Goof have happend as Mclarens are known for this. This guys shud be banned for one year from Racing
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by Leslie Mascarenhas on Nov 03, 2008 01:08 PM
All the more to Doubt them...Have you seen Hamilton & Heiki times matching or for that matter Kimi & Masa times matching.Since no 2 Cars have the same set up & the Characteristics be different besides Driving styles of Drivers being different how can Lap times be Exactly the same.You will see the Truth after a Enquiry is Made.
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by Leslie Mascarenhas on Nov 03, 2008 01:09 PM
All the more to Doubt them...Have you seen Hamilton & Heiki times matching or for that matter Kimi & Masa times matching.Since no 2 Cars have the same set up & the Characteristics be different besides Driving styles of Drivers being different how can Lap times be Exactly the same.You will see the Truth after a Enquiry is Made.
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by Michael Dsa on Nov 03, 2008 02:01 PM
You are out of your mind - why are you not talking about Kimi allowing him to pass in the last race (to gain points) and Stewards striping off Lewis of his win at Belguim (6 points benefit) This is not fixed !!!! Support the true champion …Hamilton !!!! Shame for Ferrari despite of all their tactics Masa didn’t win.
Re: Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by andrew achayan on Nov 03, 2008 04:50 PM
fERrari nver played foul game rather they played tactically which is fair enough - unlike Lewis rough racing and Team Boss's dirty plans. Every body watch even commentators noticed so Sir u can keep ur F mouth shut
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by FORCE INDIA on Nov 03, 2008 03:55 PM
Well said Michael. Ferrari fans become blind when it comes to them. Massa was conviniently allowed to overtake by Kimi and then nobody said anything & this time it looked like a genuine problem with Glock's car they like to be cry babies.
Re: FORMULA 1 FIXED
by srivatsa yb on Nov 03, 2008 04:29 PM
Kubica was also on slicks and he timed a 1.29 in his final lap..only the toyatos slowed so much ..
why wasnt the penultimate lap of glock so slow?? it was raining consistently only for the last 3 laps..
I dont believe in what Timo GLock or Honda are reasoning for slowing down in the last lap to allow Hamilton pass thru to chapionship. Massa won more races and deserved to win.
Re: Glock decides the 08 F1 Champion
by Truth Teller on Nov 03, 2008 04:22 PM
Glock was on dry tyres and these things happen. Glock placed his bets on not raining and he jumped to 4th when it was not raining and others went for a tyre change. But when it started raining he lost it .. As simlpe as that ..
Re: Glock decides the 08 F1 Champion
by srivatsa yb on Nov 03, 2008 04:31 PM
kubica on dry clocked 1.29 in final lap ..also glock in his penultimate lap was 10 secs faster then his final lap...and above all as a racer with only a full speed staight left why did he not blocj hamilton??
Re: Glock decides the 08 F1 Champion
by Ramki on Nov 03, 2008 11:59 AM
Absolutely. There should be a probe on what happened to Timo Glock's car! McLaren is capable of doing all dirty tricks..
Re: Glock decides the 08 F1 Champion
by Leslie Mascarenhas on Nov 03, 2008 01:09 PM
I agree 100 %.Foul play at Work....What a Coincidence Tayota F1 Boss leaving to join guess which team Next year ????
Re: Glock decides the 08 F1 Champion
by gaurant dadwal on Nov 03, 2008 04:51 PM
well all u ferrari supporters, rather the ones supporting Massa , where were u when schumi did such an act few years back when barrichello was asked to slow down .... go back turn the pages u will see what ferrari is made up of , btw accept it that Timo had genuine probs and he did not do it intentionally , guess who would do so in front of the world , grow up ppl .... btw Hamilton is the youngest and by far has won many races compared to any1 else esp at this age ... good going Hami ....u deserved to win
I was great race...last 30 seconds decided the championship.....the race was between (Hamilton) v/s (Massa Rest of drives)....But all drivers could not change Hamilton's destiny......
Hamilton may have won the C'ship but he showed his choking abilities once again yesterday when he created the blunder and let Vettel pass him. Mind you, that was NOT due to any mistake on Kubica's part, as experts pointed out in post-race analysis, it was a driving error by Hamilton in crucial stage of the race. Irrespective of what happened with Glock (and I still think there is some scandal involved, what else can you think of McLaren after last years scandal?) the fact remains that Hamilton had blown up the Championship again by choking under pressure. The guy was just lucky to win, just like he's been lucky to land at McLaren (that too as favourite to Alonso !!!) directly in his first season itself, unlike other drivers who have proved their worth time and again in lesser quality cars.
Re: Certainly NOT a deserving Champion, but a Choker
by Truth Teller on Nov 03, 2008 04:25 PM
Massa is probably a bigger choker of the two. Hamilton has won so many races after not starting from the pole whereas Massa is yet to win a race where he was not on the pole position. If Massa has lost position is any of the races due to any external reasons, you never find him fighting his way up. Hamilton never quits and thats the reason why he won. The best Massa could do in this race was to win and he did win. All he could hope was some illuck for Hamilton but alas it was not to be.
Re: Certainly NOT a deserving Champion, but a Choker
by chilluchillu on Nov 03, 2008 11:16 AM
HAMILTON WON THANKS TO GLOCK & WOULD HAVE LOST THANKS TO KUBICA....WHAT DRAMA...WHAT DRAMA...GREAT SHOW BY FELIPE...
Re: Re: Certainly NOT a deserving Champion, but a Choker
by chilluchillu on Nov 03, 2008 11:23 AM
vettel is a star of the future.. he is giving all the big boys a run for thier money with his torro rosso
Re: Re: Re: Certainly NOT a deserving Champion, but a Choker
by Truth Teller on Nov 03, 2008 11:34 AM
No denying that .. Vettel should be among the top 5 in a year or two.
Re: Certainly NOT a deserving Champion, but a Choker
by Truth Teller on Nov 03, 2008 11:21 AM
Lucky choker ... hahaha funny how most Indians are supporting the ferrari drivers. Lewis had the same car as his Heikki and see the difference in points. Anybody who has seen him drive in China and Monte Carlo will tell that he is the best in the business. Pound for pound the only one who can be close is Alonso.
Re: Re: Certainly NOT a deserving Champion, but a Choker
by chilluchillu on Nov 03, 2008 11:24 AM
most of the drivers have the same reflexes.. only the machine makes the difference...you put sutil in mclaren and watch....
Re: Re: Certainly NOT a deserving Champion, but a Choker
by Truth Teller on Nov 03, 2008 11:31 AM
They are all good but some are exceptional ... Lewis is one. How else can he be so many points ahead of Heiki who drives the same car.
Re: deserves
by Anselm Pinheiro on Nov 03, 2008 10:26 AM
What d f u think Hamilton should win the guy who has the most number of foolish penalty's. He should have been sacked from racing a f1 car.And yesterday what happend to Glock at the last coner 1. petrol over- foolish ans 2. engine problem at the last corner- do not ever thnik of it 3. IT IS ONLY MONEY MATTERS. IF GLOCK IS FOUND GUILTY then there is only 1 ans i.e say BYE BYE to Glock, Hamilton and Mclaren
Re: fixing
by Rohit Gupta on Nov 03, 2008 10:41 AM
You know what the rule book of FIA says ?????? It says a team is allowed to swap the positions of the players on grid, without affecting the track positions of any other player of any other team. So Raikkonen n Massa's swap holds good. But what Glack did was altered the track positions of Vettel and Hamilton which is NOT ALLOWED in FIA Formula 1...So you better read the rule book before posting any wild comments!!
How can he can celebrate as champion......becos McLaran gave money to toyota or T.Glock to purchase the title.....The real champion is MAAZA and Sebastien Vettel.
Re: He is not a champion........................Loosers,.........Purchaser of Title
by rajeev sharma on Nov 03, 2008 04:44 PM
hello dear ganesh, do you know blaming some big teams like this can invite you a penalty in jail for 5years minimum, do you have any proof of that fixing, if yes then show it or take your comments back, thanks to mclaren till now they have not reacted yet on your comments? think 100 times before you say anything. CONGRATULATIONS TO HAMILTON A TRULY DESERVING WORLD CHAMPION.
Re: He is not a champion........................Loosers,.........Purchaser of Title
by breddy on Nov 03, 2008 10:02 AM
Well how do you know all this? Its crucial info. Can you please forward it stewards so that they investigate further.
Re: He is not a champion........................Loosers,.........Purchaser of Title
by breddy on Nov 03, 2008 10:07 AM
T.Glock is not on rain tyres and low on fuel. People with minimum F1 knowlege can pick out why he is overtaken. Only sore lossers will complain. Do you think F1 stewards are fools to let off such a glaring fixing, if it actually was?
Re: He is not a champion........................Loosers,.........Purchaser of Title
by Anselm Pinheiro on Nov 03, 2008 10:51 AM
BREDDY GO AND CHK D STANDINGS GLOCK CAME SIXTH WHICH MEANS 1.NO ENGINE FAILURE-COZ IF ENGINE FAILURE HE WOULD BE OUT- 2.IF PETROL OVER CAR SHOULD BE STAND STILL. 3.RAIN PROB. OR TYRE PROB. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE IN PITS WAY BEFORE AND NOT SLOW DOWN AT LAST CONER.
Re: He is not a champion........................Loosers,.........Purchaser of Title
by Truth Teller on Nov 03, 2008 11:36 AM
Are you the author of conspiracy theory ?? Have you heard about being gracious in defeat
Congratulations to Lewis for becoming the youngest ever F1 world champion. It wasn't an easy championship for him, it seemed he had lost it in the last lap today but luck favours the brave and he finished fifth just just enough to snatch the championship.
Mclaren cars looked out of touch today at the Brazilian GP, not sure what the reason is but their strategy and performance wasn't competetive to make it easy for Lewis.
For me Lewis is the clear winner this season. Just to highlight Massa had been gifted almost 9 points this season by others especially the FIA (Ferrari Influenced Association):)
a) Controversial penalty to Lewis at Spa Belgium GP which helped Massa gain 6 points advantage.
b) Controversial penalty to Sabastian Bordias of Tororosso at Japan which helped Massa gain 1 point.
c) Kimi allowing Massa to take 2nd position at Chinese GP which helped to gain 2 points.
So if we deduct these 9 points he didn't deserve Lewis could have won in the last race itself!!!
Re: Congratulations Lewis Hamilton!!!
by Anselm Pinheiro on Nov 03, 2008 10:30 AM
WIth the higest number of penalty's by Hamilton he should be stripped of his point he has broken Schumachers's record of most penalty in a season. (Mind Schumacher had never thought of breaking the record of most penalty but Hamilton did)
