I don't believe that the writers who present papers about vimanas in ancient India really believe what they say. They say what they say because they know which side their bread is buttered.
Re: I have a nagging doubt
by Pen diamond on Mar 20, 2018 06:02 PM
Mr Palanki, Go to Aerospace museum in Bangalore and see for yourself the ancient papers in India on Vaimanika Sastra Please educate yourself before writing
Re: Re: I have a nagging doubt
by palanki narayana on Mar 20, 2018 08:42 PM
I did receive a bit of education in the matter of ancient aeronautics about one year ago, when the topic became hot with a Karnataka scholar producing a sketch of an ancient rocket. He had a divine vision of the contraption which was put to paper with the help of a draughtsman from the local polytechnic. The rocket was a hollow cylinder with a conical top and used a fuel mixture of mercury, cow's urine and sunlight. I have made hundreds of submissions to these columns some of which you may read from "my page". I challenge you to point out a single factual error in what I wrote.
Dear Utkarsh Mishra , when u wrote this article , what was the theme in ur mind, whether to be-little India or the non sense type of leaders.Let me open ur eyes a bit. AFter my Engg & MBA from leading(Top) universities in early 90s I was also of the opinion the Darwin /Lamarck/Einstein were Gods and their theories were the only begining and end of science. But , after 25 years of applied engineering/Bio/ Management I also learnt that , whatever was taught isnt 100% truth. Some idiot who wrote Ramayana or other vedas were atleast intelligent who visualized and worded something called Vimana before Wright brothers. U mean those Indians were fools. Anyhow before the elite gentry start writing against me here , pl tell me u all " Have u heard of earth changing its axis (ever) in the past. Many hidden secrets will unveil even almost every thing of India has been destroyed by killer invaders here. Also pl read Roosevelt statement at the time of first nuclear explosion. Jai Hind
Re: Very well written & researched article
by Rajeev Kumar on Mar 20, 2018 04:32 PM
Agree, but isn't science all about evidence? Till there is no evidence, everything is a belief or myth or fiction.
Re: Very well written & researched article
by Rajeev Kumar on Mar 20, 2018 04:33 PM
Agree, but isn't science all about evidence? Till there is no evidence, everything is a belief or myth or fiction.
Re: Very well written & researched article
by palanki narayana on Mar 20, 2018 05:47 PM
I am interested to know how and why you were disillusioned with Einstein , Lamarck and Darwin. After your graduation from the "top" universities did you come across any scientific work that disproved the work of Einstein or Darwin? Research by others that followed the work of these two scientists only confirmed (again and again) what had been said in the original papers.
Re: Re: Very well written & researched article
by palanki narayana on Mar 20, 2018 05:54 PM
Thank you Mr.Moderator for sparing my submission. My detailed, fact filled, eye opening submission that answered the points made by Mr.Raj was deleted.
Re: Very well written & researched article
by palanki narayana on Mar 20, 2018 06:17 PM
Mr.Raj, your argument is that we should not reject what is attributed to our ancients. You cite the example of change in the Earth's axis of rotation to state that old findings may be found to be wrong after new findings are made. You have misled yourself in this matter. The rotation of the earth, its revolution around the sun, shifting of magnetic poles, weakening of gravity are constantly measured and tiny changes that take place over aeons are added for constant updating. The axis of rotation has changed but not drastically.
Much before the so called modern science and physics took birth .... There have been reports that some very secretive research is going on in India where heads are being transplanted on brain dead bodies ... whether it succeeds or not will have to be seen ... just google Tigon and Liger to see what a cross between lion and tiger can be ... * How Indian civilisation got destroyed is still not fully understood, it does not mean that existence of science and technology can be denied.
Re: Brihadeeshwara Temple in Thanjavur is more than 1000 yrs old
by Alston Fernandes on Mar 20, 2018 03:46 PM
Hahaha..thanks for the laugh. Some people really need to up their mdeication
Re: Brihadeeshwara Temple in Thanjavur is more than 1000 yrs old
by palanki narayana on Mar 20, 2018 05:19 PM
It is a fact that tigons and ligers exist (I have a photograph of a tigon from Calcutta zoo). The birth of the hybrid animal is a result of painstaking (and frustrating) experiments and the success only added to our knowledge of genetics without violating any the established laws from the time of Mendel. But by concluding that head transplantations were done in ancient India you are allowing your fantasies to run amuck.
Re: Brihadeeshwara Temple in Thanjavur is more than 1000 yrs old
by palanki narayana on Mar 20, 2018 05:24 PM
The pyramids of Egypt and pyramids built by Mayans in South America are more ancient than Brihadeeswaralaya. Where do these countries fare now, in the matter of scientific advancement?
There is no doubt that ancient India contributed to science in a great way. If somebody really loves India, then he should prove that contribution in a scientific and logical manner. By just stating mythologies are all science is simply ridiculous, although we can get some glimpses of culture and technological progress of ancient civilizations in mythologies. That is where it ends. Ancient Egyptians used to have goddesses with different kinds of animal heads. Does that mean there was plastic surgery so developed in ancient Egypt that they could transplant animal heads on human bodies? All scientific theories, be it Darwin's or Newton’s may be wrong or right, but to prove it wrong, it should countered with an equally scientific theory with proper analysis, research, and presentation of paper. Just by saying that a theory is wrong will not do. Anybody can say anything, but that does not prove anything. When a new scientific theory is established, it is backed by research, mathematics and evidence. To prove it wrong, one should go the same way. Many of the theories prevalent in 18th or 19th century are no longer considered proven, because newer theories have proved them wrong. In a nutshell, if we really want to make India a leader in science, respect the ancient scientists' spirit, their quest for truth, then discover or invent something new. Only then we can contribute to the progress of mankind. Just sticking to the past will not serve any purpose.
Re: Science in Ancient India
by True Voice on Mar 20, 2018 02:19 PM
You may be right by shouting all truths. But I prefer calling you anti national because er... I really dont know. But you are anti national. I prefer to be in good books of all bhakts in this forum
Re: Science in Ancient India
by Soumitra Goswami on Mar 20, 2018 02:36 PM
Sir if Monkeys are allowed to protect with sword what happens is happening under the regime who is still in 500ADs when India considered them great following staunch Hinduism and castism. Their pride was badly shattered after prolonged rule by advanced culture. Those who want to turn the wheel back are doing so either to fool and rule or really fool. In India Science is only cultured in few institution academically and industrially. Science should better be left to them and those who want to enter their pl. go through the rigor required.
There is no doubt that ancient India contributed to science in a great way. If somebody really loves India, then he should prove that contribution in a scientific and logical manner. By just stating mythologies are all science is simply ridiculous, although we can get some glimpses of culture and technological progress of ancient civilizations in mythologies. That is where it ends. Ancient Egyptians used to have goddesses with different kinds of animal heads. Does that mean there was plastic surgery so developed in ancient Egypt that they could transplant animal heads on human bodies? The cultivation of science in India was not different from the whole mankind's quest for betterment, and if we really love the logical mind of ancient Rishis who contributed immensely to this, then stop making mockery of science itself. All scientific theories, be it Darwin's or Newton’s may be wrong or right, but to prove it wrong, it should countered with an equally scientific theory with proper analysis, research, and presentation of paper. Just by saying that a theory is wrong will not do. Anybody can say anything, but that does not prove anything. When a new scientific theory is established, it is backed by research, mathematics and evidence. To prove it wrong, one should go the same way. Many of the theories prevalent in 18th or 19th century are no longer considered proven, because newer theories have proved them wrong. In a nutshell, if we really want to make India a leader in sc
These writers would have us believe that all science and technology in the world started with one rotten apple falling on the sleeping Sir Newton, and there was nothing worthwhile before. * Well, for info of all these paid chamchas ...Qutub Minar was completed in 1193 AD, Golden Temple in 1589 AD, Red Fort in Delhi in 1639 AD, Taj Mahal in 1648.... All these are standing very well today even after hundreds of years .... surely some science and technology would have gone into building these timeless structures ..... * Newton was BORN IN 1642. Period.
Re: This is a paid article, only to mock at India's past ...
by palanki narayana on Mar 20, 2018 06:49 PM
Science and technology are two separate aspects of civilisation. You are talking mostly about construction technology. Fine. When we can be justifiably proud of the edifices we built can we ignore that magnificent structures were built thousands of years ago, by Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians, Aztecs and Chinese? Even Easter island and Mayan civilisation of which not much is known left behind colossal structures. The age of reason in Europe began with Galileo. In spite of persecution,torture and death scientific truths were established and a strong scientific community relentlessly ensured progress. Knowledge grew exponentially. If similar (or superior) glories were achieved by our ancients the feats were unrecorded or not preserved. Instead of ruing over what cannot be recovered let us now build a magnificent scientific enterprise. The heritage of our ancestors might have been lost but we do carry the genes.
Why on earth if anything happens the pseudos always blame MODI.BJP is a big Party and has number of Ministers with different opinion on many things.why people very conveniently drag Modiji on any frivolous subject.
Re: Its Pathetic
by Alston Fernandes on Mar 20, 2018 03:44 PM
Actually only a deluded person would not point fingers at Modi esp after his comments about cosmetic surgery. Or perhaps you need to be more well informed??..
What is Science for you--- whatever west says is correct. But Science is-- collecting observations, finding results, discussion and then conclusion. Today the world is going for alternative medicine; even the Colgate is using Indian herbs. Tomorrow when west will say indian theories were correct... these very people will say .....we knew it. Sick of you idiots
Re: Science
by dillip tripathy on Mar 20, 2018 11:54 AM
Half educated, half knowledge,half illiterate,half truth speaker are of Ministers Education,Science,Health etc - it is a wonderful science. No where in west you can find such scientific occurrence.Only in India.
Re: Science
by Alston Fernandes on Mar 20, 2018 11:54 AM
Utter nonsense!! When presented with facts you preach about what science is, when in fact you disregard scientific fact to begin with! If you're so confident of alternative medicine, the next time you or your loved one falls sick, please take them to your alternative medicine hospital, instead of allopathic. Scientific fact, whether Indian or Western is fact!
Re: Re: Science
by aruna on Mar 20, 2018 05:29 PM
Dear Sir I take Ayurvedic medicines. Holy Family Hospital has Ayurvedic Branch--where you can get treated for rheumatic diseses, in which allopethy fails. Try this and then talk
Re: Re: Re: Re: Science
by palanki narayana on Mar 20, 2018 06:53 PM
Why go for Ayurvedic medicine even? Did not Mahatma Gandhi forbid his dying wife from taking any medicine (as it was against nature)and insist that she could get well with Thulasi water!
Re: Re: Science
by Kamala Ganesh on Mar 20, 2018 12:04 PM
Look at how much US spends on health and medication alone, you will know what science has contributed to this. Is this development?
Re: Re: Re: Science
by Alston Fernandes on Mar 20, 2018 12:21 PM
Spouting half boiled truths is become the norm here. Whatever be the case of the US healthcare its due to their internal politics, not Science. In fact, todays foremost scientific breakthroughs in the medical field still comes from the west! This is because we do not give those with scientific temperament the support they deserve, and instead put religious nuts on a pedestal.
