what is meant by how to deal with pakistan?? modi first did notebandi and followed it up with other countries of the world...pakistan is a cornered nation not getting aid even from trump....thats why pakistan is whimpering and for the last 3 years has not been able to do anything...with peace at loc and jammu kashmir...the pakistan problem is permanently solved..
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Sameer Shaikh on Feb 14, 2018 04:50 PM | Hide replies | Hide message
"Point Two, we can live in peace with Pakistan only when India becomes a Muslim-majority nation". Is Afghanistan or Bangladesh peaceful with Pakistan? Both Afghanistan and Bangladesh backs India.
Then in fifth point you are referring to a book and calls India secular country.
You have missed the most important point. When Pakistan got independence a large share of army went to Pakistan. That is the biggest blunder of people who were involved in partition. Army in Pakistan acts like an industry or corporate itself. First threat perception is created while some of them are fictitious for large budget, aids, funds, money for money. These are distributed amongst top generals, ISI agent, defense analyst who work closely with military. Then Pakistan earlier build relationship with gulf nations by calling it religious based country for begging ball of petrol dollars, training and grooming Arab soldiers, providing security to Arabs and defense ties in case of war.
When America confronted Soviet, it then needed fearless men who are not afraid of their lives. Pakistan ISI with help of USA built the infrastructure, narrative, books to brainwash men who could take soviets for dollars. Pakistan thought this is lucrative industry and now it can supply these rebels to all over world. All Pakistan generals became rich and by spreading poison their people more poorer
Re: Sanjiv Nayar some of your points are worrthless
by Sameer Shaikh on Feb 14, 2018 04:56 PM
However that narrative changed quickly as if you feed snakes in the garden, one day they will bite the owner.
May be Pakistan is serious about Kashmir since the state is disputed and some of them have genuine interest to resolve the J&K issue and quickly move towards regional development but for some it is lucrative business.
Train militants, cry in front of world that we are fighting against militant who threat Pakistan, and take dollars which goes to top general again in fighting militants..
This has become an industry to earn dollars and Chinese Yuan.
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by sameer khan on Feb 14, 2018 05:18 PM
In 1947, it was decided that the areas with majority of m population would fall under Pstan. For princely states, it was decided that the rulers of those states will decide whether they want to annex with I or P. The state of Jand K was the largest such state. e in conspiracy with J N gave Gurduspur, a district in Punjab to I. Providing I access to J and K .P expected to consider the overwhelming desire of its people to be part of P. wanted to delay decision so that could announce an Independent state of K. Meanwhile, the M population of K was getting anxious.Unofficially P Tribesmen from Western border started entering J and K with the help of locals they took over what is now part of zad J and K in P. I then took the matter to the UN The UN Passed a resolution which both agreed to. According to the resolution a plebiscite to be held to allow people of Jand K to decide their own future. It was agreed that P will call off Tribesmen from szad K and I will keep only minimal necessary troops in I occupied K I never called off the troops and never organized a plebsicte to let people of K choose their own future. 75% jk wants freedom from attrocity made by army since 1990 which is not shown in media.dil se film made on incident of shopia in 93.
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by Sameer Shaikh on Feb 14, 2018 07:48 PM
Unfortunately or fortunately you are telling to a person whose better half or partner is from Kashmir. I know its history.
Sameer Khan can you tell me as Indian Mus tell me one thing about Pakistan which as Mus I should be proud of? Just because people are hospitable or welcoming there who will serve good food, give warm welcome will make them respectable country? From corruption to crime to brainwashing innocent people, Pakistan is worst country in the region.
Do you want me to support Kashmiri people to achieve freedom from India. Just like Pakistan people, Kashmiris are mirror copy of them. Corrupt to core, liars no 1, backstabbers and in fact they call themselves Kashmiri Mus who do not like to equate themselves to Indian Musl and proud to call them Pakistanis... a corrupt nation which has not given its due position to Baluchi people and KPP and looted the country using religious. These are heroes of Kashmiri people as if it is Singapore. Second I agree Indian army have committed gross human right violations in Kashmir, but take my point wherever army is presence in large numbers, human right violations are bound to happen. Any place it can be. Last If Indian army does not retaliate, those militant will anyways butcher Indian army by surprise guerilla style attack. My relatives told me in one attack Pak based militants killed 63 CRPF but its was reported 4. Indian army still have not behaved like Myanmar which it could have.
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by Sameer Shaikh on Feb 14, 2018 07:56 PM
After weighing pros and cons I realized like majority that supporting India is better decision. It is not bad a country as it is posed to the world. India is a failed state in eradicating poverty, its system and judiciary and institution is worst in world but not people. From one state to another there is diverse culture, people, food and mindset and the hostility you get in north india, you wont get in south india.
Pakistan is a failed country because they have neither followed their religion properly, neither they have given justice to people, neither discipline like Japanese or Singaporeans and have done all things which has hurted Indian Mus. What Pakistan do is send fake notes, through religious fanaticism it creates a rift within hind and musl people in India.
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by viswanath n on Feb 14, 2018 08:01 PM
please dont circulate a false propaganda. it was the willingness of JK to be part of India, that I started supporting it as part of I. Attrocity might be shown by I army against the illegal P tribesmen, and not against the jk ppl. Army might be tough on so called P supporters, or P sympathisers, or the P elite rulers who constantly incite wounds on I side.
Pak has misused Kashmir only for its political advantage .No sympathy to civilians.It is right time to get back Kashmir form their control.They are misrepresenting the issues and making people fool.
i think in must surrender to pk, bcoz they loose there illegal occupation in jk. ppl gather and chanting agst i, there was the mass attrocity made by army.foreign media show every aspects, hence it is eye opener for us to leave jk first. then pk relation normalise automatically.
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by Sameer Shaikh on Feb 14, 2018 04:59 PM
Illegal occupation is also done by Pakistan by taking POK. Did you read UN resolution, Pakistan broke two UN resolution. First occupying POK and allowing Punjabi and pakhtun to settle in POK. India has some legal papers signed by Maharaja Singh. Pakistan has no papers or legal document for POK. The disputed part is only that people of J&K wanted to annexed in Pakistan, but its kind decided to part with India. If the king Maharaja singh had power to take decision then integrating with India can be termed disputed or not disputed
By giving it to china it again broke the UN resolution
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by sameer khan on Feb 14, 2018 05:22 PM
it’s clear that Kashmir is a political issue and it would be a big goof to term it as a money issue because, if it had been an economical issue then, all sections of society, children, men, women, elders and elite class wouldn’t have been on roads. So, it is not an economical issue. Moreover, those who tag it as a brainwashed activity are total inscients living on biased notions without reaching to the reality. Actually it is a myth which serves nothing except a spoof because, in this era of knowledge and consciousness, we can’t expect an educated individual will be brainwashed.
