Why we think about past glory and live today? We should be bothered more about future..For that we need to think whom we need to elect and voting needs to be based on who delivers and who does not..not based on caste or religion or any such thinking..Now that we have already tested BJP and Congress and both seems to be two sides of the same coin, why can't we check communists? AAP is a choice but they are not spread to too many people..all these history stuffs is being spread by BJP to hide their failures and get the attention out of reality..Don't we see we are in economic recession? Why don't these leaders discuss now on how to come out of that instead of tipu or asoka? Does these really matter if tipu or asoka was bad or good? We need to move forward and think about our lives period.
Re: I do not understand
by ashish tiwari on Oct 22, 2017 04:38 PM
I havent read a more foolish comment than this ever in my life.
THOSE WHO DONT LEARN LESSONS FROM HISTORY REPEAT IT. HAVENT YOU HEARED THESE WORDS OF WISDOM BEFORE?
History teaches us that when hindoos were divided they were enslaved. First by Mughals and then by British.
Now congress is playing the same trick by dividing hindoos on the basis of caste and uniting muslim votebank to win elections. After winning elections they induldge in scams to loot this country. This is the history of congress. Who will vote for them in light of this black track record?
Even anti-nationals like owaisi raise issues of atrocities against Dalits but I havent heard anyone sparing dalits in communal riots. Their only purpose is dividing hindoo votes.
This is the most important lesson from history hindoos MUST learn if they wish to survive another century. We have already lost a third of our land due to communal division in 1947.
Only immature fools will comment that history is not important.
Most of the problems in India are because hindoos especially have not learnt from history and have not united yet to make this country strong. Instead politicians have very easily fooled them in the name of caste reservations and language.
History lessons not to repeat your past mistakes in future..
Re: Re: I do not understand
by neutral on Oct 22, 2017 07:33 PM
History is learnt way too many times. Do not teach it everyday..not required really..if someone interested more books are available for that..instead of govt arguing on such idoxtism let them argue on their acheivements..
Re: I do not understand
by neutral on Oct 22, 2017 10:20 AM
Moreover why are these opposition clinging on to these? ignore these and get the real issues into news and make the govt debate in real issues..I guess all are just playing politics with sentiments and they are successful since we love to live in past..
Re: Re: I do not understand
by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 01:14 PM
If these issues are ignored the in near future these muslim will slit your throat just like that of bakra in id then there will be no future. And thats what tipu sultan did. We have to deal this issue because we dont want that the these types past should become future.
Re: Re: Re: I do not understand
by neutral person on Oct 22, 2017 01:26 PM
If you do not want future to be like past work for a better future rather than keep discussing past. Discussing past beyond a limit is not going to help in anyway in creating a better future. By the way it is not only Muslims who kill..killers in general cannot be associated with single religion as such
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 01:38 PM
Do you know about feedback its a technical term and the world use it. Feed back is somthing which has happened in past and is taken into account in present to make future better.^killers in general cannot be associated with single religion as such^ mass killing at present and even in past is associated associated with only one religion
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by neutral person on Oct 22, 2017 01:43 PM
Yes take the feedback and move forward with prevention of such things rather than going on discussion of same thing again and again...rather than waste time on this try solving some economic or employment issue in the country..about killers Gau rakshaks are Muslims? Hitler was a Muslim? Live in ignorance if you wish to but that does not make it the truth in any way
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 02:52 PM
How many have been killed by gau rakshak less than 10 are you going to make it a full chapter in class 10 history textbook as most left historian did. If you talk in that sense as you stated than every one should forget everything before past second. But unlike you in industry the minutest feedback is taken care of because it can lead to vanishing of that industry.
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by neutral on Oct 22, 2017 03:44 PM
Only counts matter? Anyway let us leave gau rakhshaks and take Hitler as example..hitler is muslim? Isn't he the worst killer of all times? So generalizing that muslims are killers is a non starter..I would not divert my attention to all these instead live in present and concentrate on my future plans...and make sure such incidents do not happen in future that is all..
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 05:05 PM
Heard of temur lung. An islamic terrorist ruler 1000 years ago almost killed 5% of the total population on earth at that time according to historians. He killed every person that lived in and around present delhi. do you know that each and every person was killed in delhi. Some present modern historian belief that the hindus were ruthlessly prosecuted and killed by mughals and arab invaders nothing comparable not even the hitler. These historian (not indian) says that a lot of history has to be corrected and rewritten about hindus and muslim invaders. Hitler although may be cruel and killed jews but still way behind muslim rulers. Also since hitler faught against america and britain so he has been advertized as biggest criminal still not terrorist.
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by Satyajeet Yadava on Oct 22, 2017 06:28 PM
Dolly,male or Fe I donot know but u seem 2 b historically illitetate like ordinary sanghiiis???
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 07:00 PM
Read wikipedia on tamur lung you wilL get the answer. The historian is a french writer go and search. Your history is limited to rediff.com and commies and nothing else
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 07:04 PM
Go and read wikipedia on temur lang. The writer i have reffered is french. You can serach others. These two not belong to RSS you long beard mulla. You knowledge of history is limited to rediff.com thats all
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 09:23 PM
Go to wikipedia search temur lang and read how many he killed.
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 09:26 PM
The historion i refered is french. Nither wikipedia nor frenxh belong to RSS. But you certainly is a mulla with long beard
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by neutral person on Oct 22, 2017 07:11 PM
Killers are killers ..counts really does not matter..a guy killing one person is an murderer as good as a person killing 1000 people does not matter. If the person killing 1 person gets more chance he kills more otherwise he ends up in jail that is all the case is
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 09:31 PM
Really you dont differentiate between 1 and 1000 killing. I said tamur killed 5% population of earth at that time according to wikipedia. In todays count it might be the whole of europe population. 1000 is very small figure. Killing 1 and whole europe certainly is huge difference.
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by neutral on Oct 22, 2017 08:24 PM
@satyajeet, though I do not agree with Dplly, it is true that timur killed 1000s of people and main idea was to spread islam..this is not of sanghiis but is real history..I know you might not like it, but truth is truth you know.
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by Satyajeet Yadava on Oct 22, 2017 08:55 PM
Debate is about Tipu fighting d Brits which is true.Ppl r digressing frm d main topic!!!
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by Dolly Bindra on Oct 22, 2017 09:22 PM
Yes the topic is muslim executing of hindus. Tipu just one of them.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I do not understand
by neutral on Oct 22, 2017 09:49 PM
@satyajeet that might be the topic but you saying that history told by dolly is wrong is completely wrong on every sense..
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by neutral on Oct 22, 2017 09:50 PM
@dolly so killing 1 is fine? you do not become killer? if no, then tell me how many I need to kill to become a killer?
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by neutral on Oct 22, 2017 09:51 PM
@satyajeet, your issue is that you need to somehow take sanghiis name.. @dolly your issue is that you do not want to accept that other than muslims also people have killed people like Hitler etc..
Re: Mix of good and bad
by ashish tiwari on Oct 22, 2017 04:42 PM
Tipu Sultan fought british for his survival not for India. His agenda remained destruction of hindoo faith.
All rulers and kings basically fought with their enemies (be them Hindus, Muslims or English) to protect their kingdom. Further, the conquerer plundered the belongings of the vanquished,took their women, etc. Those who fought against Hindus cannot be termed as anti-national (nationalism as perceived in the present day context). Similarly those who fought Muslim rulers to protect their kingdom, or those who fought British before the nationalist movement, cannot be termed as patriots. Because, they fought to preserve their respective kingdom. Patriotism, as we know it today, took shape only during freedom struggle right from first freedom struggle movement in the form of sepoy mutiny. Regarding Tippu Sultan, besides Persian, he had mastered Sanskrit also. Of course, he built a number of mosques. But he was the patron of Sri Ranganatha Swamy temple in Srirangapatna, and the temple is in good shape even today. Besides, Tippu was known for his highly skilled warfare and planning. He positioned his capital Srirangapatna in a safe place with river cauvery flowing around it. Srirangapatna is a land-locked island. Tippu can be remembered as a great warrior just as we remember many warriors in India. There is no need to give the occasion a religious color.
Dear friends if the Ashoka Chakra was that of Muslims Or British today people would have opposed. Ashoka maschecared the people of orissa region. They were all Hindus.Why nobody is questioning Brutality of King Ashoka ?.
Dear friends if the Ashoka Chakra was that of Muslims Or British today people would have opposed. Ashoka maschecared the people of orissa region. They were all Hindus.Why nobody is questioning Brutality of King Ashoka ?.
Re: Re: King Ashoka
by R ponnabalam on Oct 22, 2017 12:01 PM
TIPPU WAS DEFEATED when he invaded the then TRAVANCORE COCHIN STATES(Now KERALA).The way in which RAPISTS &their descendants are extolled in India , the world would start thinking that in INDIA rape is extolled.R.PONNAMBALAM
Re: King Ashoka
by Pavana on Oct 22, 2017 10:36 AM
Thanks for accepting that Tippu killed innocents women and kids. Where as Ashoka faught with soldiers during war not with civilians.
Re: Tipu
by R ponnabalam on Oct 22, 2017 12:06 PM | Hide message
Rediff doesn't display what was taught in class5th in the travancore cochin states(now Kerala).I was taught so in 1955.Tippu was defeated invading a sister Indian kingdom.How can it be told that he fought or independence and that he was a freedom fighter.SHAME ON US.WE EXTOL RAPISTS AND THEIR DECENDENTS R.PONNAMBALAM
