Re: Satyagraha for pressure politics and blackmail?
by Sagar Raghavan on Sep 06, 2015 11:41 AM
I understand that you have never been on the border,or ever faced a bullet Zipping past your nose or a helmet, hence in the Comfort of your bedrooms, and drawing rooms a comment as immature as it can be coming from you is understandable. When the army stands up in the front line guarding you and dying for you,it is the least we can do for soldiers. The politicians wieve of lakhs of rupees to various failures of the govt, there is no outcry. these waivers are hurting the country than these soldiers who have only known to take orders from these morons called politicians. You still laugh at the soldier, because he demands his pound of flesh. He is demanding respect and be respected. All ranks of soldiers who same service years have to get the same benefits. If this is what you can call pound of flesh, then so be it. Let them get it and also be given the desired respect. Because the successive coming soldiers needed to be given the strong belief that your family is taken care even if something happens to you.
How can OROP be extended to the thousands who have spent their lifetime in the Education Corps,the Ordnance Corps,the Postal Corps,the Survey of India,NCC,Territorial Army,even the Supply Corps or the Medical Corp.In that way,BSF,ITBF,Railways,Mines,Steel Plants also should be included.Is it fair to hold the country to ransom on this?
This is a demand for a benefit. It might be valid and everyone has the right to negotiate to get the best deal. Please stop using big words just call it what it is. I have read a few posts below about how great the soldiers are blah blah blah. How they are sacrificing lives for us to feel safe etc. Please let us not romance this fact. The fact is that as social beings everyone contributes to the society. The soldiers know their occupational risks and to be honest are rewarded fairly in terms of pay and benefits these day. Everyone has a role to play and choose to do what they want so stop saying that their has to be a special gratitude shown. Civilians live and die everyday to earn and pay taxes that fund their salaries. Are the soldiers grateful for this??
Re: What satyagraha
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Sep 04, 2015 07:17 PM
It is A SATYAGRAHA since satya means truth..And they are peotesting against the lie ..ASATYA..told to them and the Nation by Namo. The soon-to-be-PM had promised to the ex servicemen that OROP will be cleared within 3 months of his getting into power. Its been over 15 months now since he came to power. When promising the earth to them (and to many others in all spheres of life in India) the PM knew all about the dynamics of OROP and the huge financial burden that it will entail. It is nothing new that he is learning now. But still he promised.. to score a political point. Now he has to deliver.. or else the satyagrahis will call him a rotten liar ( like Netaji's followers are calling the PM now)..
Re: Re: What satyagraha
by Trikunsh Sharma on Sep 04, 2015 08:17 PM
Mr Mukherjee, You seem to have an agenda against the politicians and are missing the whole point. However continuing your point and being neutral let me say that Satya got lost once Satyug got over. Hence there cannot be any Satyagraha as all is Asatya in today's day and age including the blackmailing on OROP besides the lies of politicians and all of us.
Re: Re: Re: What satyagraha
by ashish tiwari on Sep 05, 2015 07:06 AM
Mukherjee is a known Modi baiter.. maybe he is a part of pseudo secular votebank!!
This is a demand for a benefit. It might be valid and everyone has the right to negotiate to get the best deal. Please stop using big words just call it what it is. I have read a few posts below about how great the soldiers are blah blah blah. How they are sacrificing lives for us to feel safe etc. Please let us not romance this fact. The fact is that as social beings everyone contributes to the society. The soldiers know their occupational risks and to be honest are rewarded fairly in terms of pay and benefits these day. Everyone has a role to play and choose to do what they want so stop saying that their has to be a special gratitude shown. Civilians live and die everyday to earn and pay taxes that fund their salaries. Are the soldiers grateful for this??
When an army person die, his or her family should be given huge compensation like for example 1 crore, childeren's education be made free, reservation in colleges too shall be done. Same applies to those war heroes who become handicapped fr life during any military operation. But..OROP.. ?? Why?? They served teh nation, they got too much benefits which civilians dont enjoy. Now they are retired, so they are getting pensions, Then what else do they want? Who will pay? We the Tax payers, so we will become poorer to make them rich because they served in army.Hello...!!!..U served as we all serve somewhere. If you are alive and healthy what for we should pay for you. What should be done to martyrs or war time made handicaps I already mentioned at start here. But OROP.... I dont agree. Govt is doing injustice to us.
Re: Why OROP ..Why !!
by anshul upadhyay on Sep 04, 2015 06:45 PM
If it is to come parallel to pensions of IAS, IPS officers..I say instead their pensions be reduced..to make equality !!! No OROP implementation please....
Re: Why OROP ..Why !!
by ruban s on Sep 04, 2015 06:58 PM
Hi, don't demoralize defense personals. First understand the background. Defense personals retired in their 30 to 35 years of age. After that what job they will get it other than watch man. Civilians retired at the age of 58. For civilian employees earning will not come down it goes up but for defense personals. Ok forget this how many of us ready to serve in border for lesser salary than what we are getting now.
Re: Re: Why OROP ..Why !!
by Against Pseudos on Sep 05, 2015 03:59 AM
Ruban S: Nice degrading army men as watchmen. Never yet met a security officer in banks. Have you?
Re: Why OROP ..Why !!
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Sep 04, 2015 07:18 PM
OROP Why? Good question! But should this not have been asked before the elections when the same was being promised NAMO to ex servicemen for getting votes?
Re: Why OROP ..Why !!
by Rakesh Kaushik on Sep 05, 2015 10:47 AM
One more thing. If they want OROP then govt. should implement no other govt. job for these veterans. They got double benefit. If they want another Govt. Job then there pension should be stopped.
Retired Defence personals are thinking only about their money. They are not thinking of what privileges, there are getting at present. We tax paying persons will be burdened with one more liability and tomorrow other 100s agitations will start. Please do not agree to unreasonable demands
Re: OROP
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Sep 04, 2015 07:22 PM
Dont agree to unreasonable demands? Good. But make them unreasonable promises on their unreasonable demands before elections? Thats cool.. huh?
What we understand from media is that government is ready with its OROP scheme for defence personnels and they want to have a provision of review after 5 years and those who are doing satyagrah want it once a year.
My view is that review every year is to much to expect,and they should be reasonable.It can be in consonance with such initiatives applicable to other comparable sections/ situations.
I think to go for this agitation even after the PM promised earlier should not have been undertaken,and withdrawn after PM reiterated government's resolve to solve this issue.
Why our respected heroes are creating issues for a government which is committed to their cause.
Re: Sir-with due respect to you & all!!
by raghu on Sep 04, 2015 06:03 PM
Agree. Our hero's should understand that this would affect other industries also.
Re: Re: Sir-with due respect to you & all!!
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Sep 04, 2015 07:25 PM
They should understand now? Not before the elections when the promise was made?
Re: Re: Re: Sir-with due respect to you & all!!
by Against Pseudos on Sep 04, 2015 09:28 PM
Promise was made and kept. Veterans already rejected the offer. Comprendo?
The definition given by Veterans of OROP amounts to also an increment to be given every year in addition to dearness allowance that is paid every 6 months. It will have a multiplying effect on pensions to be paid. It is not just additional 80 crores as talked in media but will result at least double next year, mre than t3 times after 3 years and so on next year and will keep on multiplying like this. I hope the Veterans would see the financial problem it may create in the long ru Hope the veterans would agree not to insist on it and agree to review every 5 years as propsed by the Govt.
Re: Re: Sathyagraha?
by Against Pseudos on Sep 04, 2015 09:30 PM
Dude, please show us where did Modi promise that he will give unlimited pension to veterans? Just because Indira Gandhi promised poverty eradication you will demand 20 Cr each? And if not received will label Indira as a liar? Brilliant
