When British ruled over this land, they used to call us "Natives". They made illicit relationships with many Hnd women, the product of which is today's Anglo Indian community. We don't bother about them, we don't remember the history how they were born in the first place in our country, we have given special privilege by giving them special status in our constitution and parliament. But we bother when a foreigner who has no relation with Indian people, who is just an academician and researcher at a foreign university publishes something that "hurts" people!!
Re: The British and Anglo-Indians
by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 10:25 PM
We have not given foreigners special privilege. Nehru is not all of India please correct yourself. Again academics distorting facts are challenged through out the world. This is common practice in academic world. If she is not up for challenge she should not be in academic world. What Wendy has return is complete distortion of facts and if she can not face the criticism of Indian Hindus and justify her stand it is her problem. Why should she be given privilege to distort our religion. Tell me one academic critic of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or any other religion .. Why is media and pseudo secular bent to defame this ancient culture and religion.
Re: Re: Re: The British and Anglo-Indians
by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 10:55 PM
Front cover and the entire book is distorted. All hindus are against it is enough proof. Unless if you are traitor you need to welcome such distorted work.
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by Syz on Feb 28, 2014 10:59 PM
What is distorted in the front cover? Do you find Khajuraho temple art distorted?
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by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 11:02 PM
Claim it as art than but not as whole religion as Wendy's book does. I think men you need serious academic reading.
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by Syz on Feb 28, 2014 11:06 PM
Academic reading does not mean that you have believe in garbage whatever is written by other garbage people based on Myths. Do you understand the difference between Myth and Fact? Hndsm is based on Myths. Her work highlights those Myths. Please read it before comment.
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by Syz on Feb 28, 2014 11:01 PM
You are yet to give me an evidence of distorted fact in the book. Hndsm is full of self contradictions which any Hnd will agree. Everything is open to interpretation, there is no fixed rule or definition. My interpretation of Mahabharata may not match yours or yours to me.
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by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 11:06 PM
This is greatness of Hinduism but again there is fine line that you do not cross. Wendy's interpretation is just an interpretation but what she is claiming is wrong. She claims is to be all of what Hinduism represents. She should categorically make clear it is her interpretation but not the absolute reality.
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by Syz on Feb 28, 2014 11:07 PM
Yes, it is her interpretation of Hndsm. It may not match yours. But it is called Academic Freedom.
Re: Re: Re: The British and Anglo-Indians
by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 10:58 PM
Can you distort Isalm. Write one book on it and see the response. Traitors.
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by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 11:11 PM
Academic freedom means you need to be politically correct and can't write garbage that Wendy writes. If one morning I get up and write that Christianity is religion of Saudi Arabia and claim it to be my academic freedom which according to you every academic is entitled to than will the Mullas let me go.
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by bharg dave on Feb 28, 2014 11:14 PM
I was closely watching this thread and must say your reply to Syz is brilliant.
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by shreya on Mar 01, 2014 01:45 AM
How many academics will claim that their research is not biased. Any level of subjectivity to capture reality involves researcher's bias. No research can be free of that and so what Wendy is claiming to be factual is still based on her perception of reality and it can not be free of her bias.
Again Wendy is intentionally taking a stand that is open for challenge. The reality that Wendy claims is still a partial reality and her attempt to capture reality is masked by her western Christian lens and so is distortion of facts.
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by shreya on Mar 01, 2014 01:45 AM
How many academics will claim that their research is not biased. Any level of subjectivity to capture reality involves researcher's bias. No research can be free of that and so what Wendy is claiming to be factual is still based on her perception of reality and it can not be free of her bias.
Again Wendy is intentionally taking a stand that is open for challenge. The reality that Wendy claims is still a partial reality and her attempt to capture reality is masked by her western Christian lens and so is distortion of facts.
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by shreya on Mar 01, 2014 01:45 AM
How many academics will claim that their research is not biased. Any level of subjectivity to capture reality involves researcher's bias. No research can be free of that and so what Wendy is claiming to be factual is still based on her perception of reality and it can not be free of her bias.
Again Wendy is intentionally taking a stand that is open for challenge. The reality that Wendy claims is still a partial reality and her attempt to capture reality is masked by her western Christian lens and so is distortion of facts.
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by Syz on Mar 01, 2014 12:27 AM
No, Academic Freedom means stating the facts corrects. Whether Soudi Arabia will allow it or not, is a political and religious matter. It has nothing to do with your research. Research is about finding facts, and differentiate between facts and non-facts (myths). You have a wrong and distorted idea about Academic Freedom. You obviously do not belong to the research community.
I am reading the book. It is very well written and full of information about Hndsm which I didn't know even being a Hnd for all these years. I find it is utterly stpd to ban this book. Those who are in favor of banning it have either not read the book or live in a world of self-made glory. I strongly urge people to read it first without reservation before you jump on any conclusion. I agree there are some parts which could be her opinion, but an opinion is an opinion, she is not a Hnd, so why do you bother? If a Hnd had said those I would have bothered. However, there are many things in Hndsm which even Hnds dispute among themselves and she just brought those out in daylight.
Re: The Book
by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 10:18 PM
No she is not Hindu does not give her license to disgrace Hinduism. People of Indian origin living in west have to go through lot of humiliation already and as mentioned in the article they do not want to be ridiculed further. They guy in the article is not pseudo secular making money in India by corrupt means but are genuine Indians who have to put up with western racism. This is fact of life and they do not want to give further power to west to belittle their religion.
Re: Re: The Book
by Syz on Feb 28, 2014 10:48 PM
What is distorted in the book? Can you name please? Those facts which you are calling distorted have no historical records of proof.
Re: Re: Re: The Book
by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 10:52 PM
As you have claimed in so far that there is no historical record of proof of what Wendy has written than it can not be an academic piece of work. It is all based on assumptions which have no basis for any claims. Academic work needs to be backed by literary records otherwise it is all baseless. Wendy's work should not be then academic which is what you claim.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Book
by Syz on Feb 28, 2014 10:54 PM
Her academic work lies in highlighting the fact that those which we call reality have no evidence in history. That is her contribution as academic work.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Book
by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 10:59 PM
You are not academic and talk rubbish. You do not know what you are talking. I am academic and I know my stuff.
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by Syz on Feb 28, 2014 11:03 PM
I perfectly know what is academic work and I have published enough papers in journals, although my area is not religion. I know what is called research. Her work is based on her research on Hndsm and she found self-contradictory facts in Hndsm which she brought out. It is up to you to take or leave, but you have no right to criticize her without backing up further facts in your side.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Book
by Syz on Feb 28, 2014 10:57 PM
There needs to be someone to think logically to call a baseless fact baseless. And it happens to be that person is an academician, because it needs clear thinking without prejudice. Are you surprised?
We are always grumbling of the facts that we were tortured by islamic rulers and later by British for 1000 years, without understadning why it happened like that. We want to take a revenge by proving that we are great people, great nation, great religion but do not understand what it takes to be great. Our minds are so enslaved by the Europeans, that until and unless they endorse us, we do not consider ourselves worthy of anything. And when they criticise anything we get furious. Because their endorsement is important for our self-belief.
Re: We Indians are slaves in our minds
by bharg dave on Feb 28, 2014 04:30 PM
There are sections of people within our country that think West is great and are ready to join them in their efforts to demolish Bharat. One of the vital reasons why Islamic rulers and Britishers (as you say) tortured us by the help of traitors within our country. The efforts are still on and this book is an example of this. However I don't understand why you are so against people retaliating about this ever-lasting attempt of Westerners to safeguard their superiority by criticising other religions/thinking. We don't want Western endorsement as they are so blinkered in their approach towards us that they can only think about 'Slumdog Millionaire'. But this does not give them the right to criticise us. I hope you wouldn't mind that.
If you meet anybody from India ask him "What Is Your Caste?" If he answers it, then you're doomed. Because he has already injected Cancer into your society. Caste is like Cancer. It cannot be Cured. It has to be Cut-Off.
Re: .
by Ramesh Yagnik on Feb 28, 2014 03:13 PM
All other religions have so many sects among them & they do not see each others faces - do not go to each others worship places - try to spread hatred against other sects. We have seen many attacks & wars among those sects & it still continues. We have castes - but we do not spread hatred & our temples are open for & visited by all castes.
Re: Re: If there is monetoray Need
by Nachiket Parashar on Feb 28, 2014 11:01 PM
Poverty is a issue which needs to be tackled by governance and also society but other issues also need help. And why support only one poor kid? You should support all the poor kids.
I think that Bharat (as I would like my country to be referred) needs to overcome itself from centuries of invasions. A great deal of damage has been already done to the very own identity of this nation and the Britishers were the last contributors to this damage. We were compared with dogs by Churchill and were referred as savages. It is high time that we need literary works that rebuilds the identity of our nation by highlighting positive aspects of our history (which I think are many but are deliberately ignored by the leftists). Wendy's book is just another attempt by the Westerners to shun everything to do with India.
Re: So called Western Intellectuals will never give up.
by Krishna on Feb 28, 2014 03:02 PM
Ok, give some example of literary works which you understand highlights the positive aspect of our history.
Re: Re: So called Western Intellectuals will never give up.
by bharg dave on Feb 28, 2014 03:11 PM
I think you haven't read my comment properly. I am suggesting that there needs to be works (the word need is important) that project the right image and most importantly positive about Indian history (for instance, Vedic contributions to mathematics and science) which are often ignored by the Western intellectuals as they are not willing to admit or write extensively on it. At least you would agree that ours was a great civilisation which became one of the reasons for so many invasions. Nalanda and Takshashila were the enormous symbols of what Bharat was until it was all destroyed. You won't believe that a lot of Britishers think that zero was introduced by Arabs. This was what was propagated when they ruled us.
Re: Re: So called Western Intellectuals will never give up.
by bharg dave on Feb 28, 2014 03:14 PM
I think you haven't read my comment properly. I am suggesting that there needs to be works (the word need is important) that project the right image and most importantly positive about Indian history (for instance, Vedic contributions to mathematics and science) which are often ignored by the Western intellectuals as they are not willing to admit or write extensively on it. At least you would agree that ours was a great civilisation which became one of the reasons for so many invasions. Nalanda and Takshashila were the enormous symbols of what Bharat was until it was all destroyed. You won't believe that a lot of Britishers think that zero was introduced by Arabs. This was what was propagated when they ruled us. Rajeev Mehrotra is one such name (not Western) that comes to mind who is playing a good role in reviving our confused identity/history - a contribution of Western intellectuals and their followers in this country.
Re: Re: So called Western Intellectuals will never give up.
by shreya on Feb 28, 2014 10:07 PM
West has single mindedly belittled Hindus and our Vedas. While they were condemning our vedas in India and forcing Hindus to learn English. Academics in west were reading nothing but our Vedas. Einstine was great admirer of Geeta and the famous Danish physicist and Nobel Prize winner, Laureate Niels Bohr (1885-1962) was a follower of the Vedas. He said, “I go into the Upanishads to ask questions.” Both Bohr and Schr�dinger, the founders of quantum physics, were avid readers of the Vedic texts and observed that their experiments in quantum physics were consistent with what they had read in the Vedas.
because man is more made of what he thinks and believes than what he is physically. so an attack on his thoughts/beliefs *in an abusive way* is more damaging than a physical attack. it is good that wendy's book got banned by the court.
