Looks to me more like paid vacation by Indians! First of all, interactions with US Army is very limited and last very short duration. No real knowledge transfter can take place in such short duration of training. Its more like US Army demonstrating to the Indians, how to use certain firearms, how US Army personnel operate their Hi-Tech helicopters etc. I don't know the learning objectives of this exercise. It doesn't look like rigorous or high-intensity exercise is going on with Indians unlike how Americans and Japanese troops conducted war games recently in Southern California. Anyway, good break for these Indian soldiers from the harsh environment of Ladakh where they recently faced the Chinese heat.
Re: Re: Paid Vacation!
by Ram Niwas on May 27, 2013 04:50 PM
China has enough agents in India . It has been training these agents since sixties . They now term themselves as Naxelites
All the equipment being used by the India army is new and bought especially to save face in the US. I have never seen Indian army soldiers wear such light weight bullet proof vests,kevlar helmets and knee pads.This is just a farce by the indian army.If they have borrowed these basic things from the americans for the war games then it is even more shameful.thuuuuuuuu
Re: show
by desp leopard on May 18, 2013 02:59 AM
Shameless fellow, this exercise is to test the "INTER-OPERABILITY" between US and Indian forces in a future conflict. "INTER-OPERABILITY" means using each others equipment and weapons. Here Indian army is training with M4 assault rifles and US gear. Tomorrow, if a need arises and US supplies India with weapons , then the indian army must be geared up to use them without any issues. You are shameless.
Re: Re: show
by SULEMANULLAH on May 18, 2013 08:15 PM
did they borrow undies too? i was talking about the protective gear.these things are expensive and the indian army equips its jawans in WWII style.
Re: show
by varghese on May 18, 2013 09:20 AM
actually we were given these during the Kargil war by the mighty Pakis..these are the left overs of the Paki elements there Gen.Mush gave us this in Tiger Hills..heheheheeheeheheeh!!! some day get some sense..u defeated scums!!slaves of the Chinese and boot lickers of Americans...
Re: Lazy Low Level Commanders
by some one on May 17, 2013 07:16 PM
Indians can only eat what others leave. However governments did not make Indians such beggars, it is the culture of extreme oppression and injustice that has made it so. Governments can not do much to improve the culture of Indians. If outsiders manage to defeat India, occupy it, destroy most of the people and culture, then some future breed of Indians might develop self respect and fight for genuine freedom. It is unlikely to happen.
Re: Lazy Low Level Commanders
by sebi francis on May 20, 2013 11:33 AM
That is very true. Most of these incursions are happening due to the ineffciency of our Defense forces. However the Military top brass conveniently pass the blame to Poilcitians all the time.
indian army respect neighbours thts why we try to solve tht problem wth diplomatic level chinez inside india border vry soon we success also to send back
Re: Re: indian army defender of indian border with humanity
by Sunny Brite on May 22, 2013 12:08 PM
Hey, even China is surrounded by enemies or unfriendly countries that are having territorial issues with China. For example, Japan, Vietnam, S Korea, Russia, Mongolia, etc. But India is not able to leverage this situation. There is no political will it seems.
Re: indian army defender of indian border with humanity
by some one on May 17, 2013 07:34 PM
The problem of Indians is that they never do any homework to create options of their own but only believe in having whatever options their enemies choose to leave them.
India has not created any option that would allow it to attack Pakistan, its main enemy. Pakistan on the other hand has created its Non State Actors and tested and proved their perfect usability for non nuclear as well as nuclear attacks on and in India without need to declare war. Similarly China has the method of sudden incursions and instigating local rebels, against which too the poor Indians have no viable options.
India is in effect a great danger to the whole planet, because the only option it has left to itself is to go into a full nuclear war, should the enemies cross that unknown and invisible threshold of India's so called response. Where exactly the line is drawn and who has control over it, no one knows. That is what makes India more dangerous to world peace than Pakistan. About Pakistan few have any doubt that it will continue to maximise the opportunity to attack India from outside and inside, using Non State as well as State actors of its design.
Re: indian army defender of indian border with humanity
by some one on May 17, 2013 07:38 PM
The problem of Indians is that they never do any homework to create options of their own but only believe in having whatever options their enemies choose to leave them.
India has not created any means to allow it to attack Pakistan, its main enemy. Pakistan on the other hand has created its Non State Actors and tested and proven their perfect usability for attacks on and in India without need to declare war. Similarly China has the method of sudden incursions and instigating local rebels, against which too the poor Indians have no viable options.
India is in effect a great danger to the whole planet, because the only option it has left to itself is to go into a full nuclear war, should the enemies cross that unknown and invisible threshold of response. Where exactly the line is drawn and who has control over it, we are not told. That is what makes India more dangerous to world peace than Pakistan. About Pakistan few have any doubt that it will continue to maximize the opportunity to attack India from outside and inside, using Non State as well as State actors of its design, but keeping its ways to retreat always open.
Re: indian army defender of indian border with humanity
by some one on May 17, 2013 07:40 PM
The problem of Indians is that they never do any homework to create options of their own but only believe in having whatever options their enemies choose to leave them.
India has not created any means to allow it to attack Pakistan, its main enemy. Pakistan on the other hand has created its Non State Actors and tested and proven their perfect usability for attacks on and in India without need to declare war. Similarly China has the method of sudden incursions and instigating local rebels, against which too the poor Indians have no viable options.
India is in effect a great danger to the whole planet, because the only option it has left to itself is to go into a full nuclear war, should the enemies cross that unknown and invisible threshold of response. Where exactly the line is drawn and who has control over it, we are not told. That is what makes India more dangerous to world peace than Pakistan. About Pakistan few have any doubt that it will continue to maximize the opportunity to attack India from outside and inside, using Non State as well as State actors of its design, but keeping its ways to retreat always open.
Re: Re: indian army defender of indian border with humanity
by Doctor Snow on May 17, 2013 10:48 PM
Indians dont need to do homework. Because they are not in a school. Soldiers are deployed and set to take action. That's why they are in their Uniform with Gadgets and Guns to take action and respond.
If they should not shoot. Then they will not have Guns. They are supposed to do it. They are not POLICE to wait for shooting Orders.
THEY ARE SOLDIERS ON FRONT LINE.
or DESERTERS if they run away and call Political Leaders
Re: Ancient INDIA vs Modern India
by RamaKrishna Puram on May 17, 2013 12:50 PM
Indians are capable of bravery and more!
But they are not allowed to show their bravery because bania people will incur financial losses if Indians have to show their bravery in a battlefield!
As long as bania people exist in India, India will be a sub-standard country!
Re: Re: Ancient INDIA vs Modern India
by Doctor Snow on May 17, 2013 01:01 PM
The so called people has stacked enough wealth for centuries to come. Their next generation will come and do the same thing.
This training is nothing but paid vacation for participating Indians.
They will never use what they learned in this training!
To use this training, there has to be a conflict between India and some other country!
Bania people whose financial assets or property will be devalued by the damage caused by the conflict will never allow a conflict to take place regardless of what this inaction does to the sovereignty of India!
Traitor bania people would rather see India sold to its enemy than incur losses to their wealth!
Re: Re: Paid vacation
by some one on May 17, 2013 08:01 PM
Soldiers do not and are not supposed to start fighting without orders. Indian soldiers get orders from the civilian government. There is no point in blaming the soldiers for allowing Chinese into Indian territory, because the government of India wanted it to be so, for diplomatic and business reasons. The territory is not of much value, but doing business with China is of great value for India and for its many politicians, whose interests largely follow the interest of its upper class and businessmen.
However retired Indian military officers must take it as moral duty to enter and play active politics for at least five years before finally retiring to their private lives. They owe it to the country. The luck of India has been very poor because almost no Indian soldier joins politics when they are free to do so.
People who know about high degree of self respect and discipline, alone can guide its civilian administration properly, better than the current spineless breed of zero standards.
Re: Re: Re: Paid vacation
by Doctor Snow on May 17, 2013 10:43 PM
Then why are Indian Soldiers on LOC with Pakistan engage in heavy shelling whenever there happens a Intrusion?
This only helps the CIA to update it's database of the ground force strength.
a few years back some best pilots of India outdid US Pilots. Then in the name of Training all these Pilots were taken to US and put to test to find out their ability and update their database.
Indian governments will never be able to openly allow or side with USA in any war. USA too will never be able to stop aiding and supporting the main enemy of India Pakistan, or even China when it is at war with India. These exercises are for business, but have no direct implication of military collaboration in war.
Re: Re: CIA
by Doctor Snow on May 17, 2013 10:41 PM
What nonsense?
Pakistan is USA's Cold War Ally. India though a part of NAM is a Russian Ally. China after Cold War is becoming a close Ally Russia due to the fact they share a common bond in Communism.
India on the Other hand, is loosing it's grip with relations with Russia due to the fact that it recently is more close with USA for Civilian and Business Causes.
Though US Considers India as a Business Partner it still does not consider India as an ally.
Because all the allies of USA have US Bases in their Countries. In India it is not the case but still friendly. So They need to conduct these kind of joint exercises as a gesture of friendship.
They are the so called BABU ( Government employee ) saving our country with 14000.00 per month salary. We should say Government employee ( INDIAN NAVY, CISF, RAW, BSF, ITBP, IRB, CRPF etc. ) zindabad ( AMAR RAHE ).
Re: GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE
by Doctor Snow on May 17, 2013 12:13 PM
If they had killed the 40 Chinese Soldiers or atleast arrested them, then you can say that
They protected the Country.
Instead they agreed to abandon a few other bunkers on Indian Territory.
Re: Re: GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE
by some one on May 17, 2013 08:18 PM
The questions have to be answered by the government, not the soldiers. Soldiers have to be ready for war but not without government orders. If government wanted then Indian soldiers would have at least attacked them if not killed them all.
However killing 40 Chinese soldiers is not the same as defeating China, which has ten million ready soldiers and can make one hundred million more well equipped soldiers within six months if the war situation so requires. India can never defeat China in war, so whether there was any point in killing a few of them at Daulat Beg Oldie in 2013, is difficult to answer.
Re: Re: Re: GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE
by Doctor Snow on May 17, 2013 10:32 PM
Then why are Indian Soldiers on LOC with Pakistan engage in heavy shelling whenever there happens a Intrusion?
Because they are doing their job. Commanders on the areas of Borders with china are not doing their job.
