Good news, for people who hate strikes. This shd happen everywhere in india who try to force people to take part in strike. Having a gov job itself is a blessing., they dont know how to enjoy and to make best of it.
Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 11:56 AM
you are just like people who are enjoying freedom fruit because of some people sacrifice in freedom struggle and happy in their death. Middle class opportunist like you enjoy all working class benefit due to some labourer struggle but atlast blame them only. Good carry on one day when u r victim may be society respond like Merakya chaltahai.
Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 11:58 AM
The unions have put forward a charter of 10 demands such as urgent steps to control price rise, strict enforcement of labour laws in all places of work, social security net for workers in the unorganised sector, end to disinvestment in PSUs and raising minimum wage to Rs 10,000 a month.
Atlast i did find which demand is related to govt. job. All the above demand affect every citizen of india.
Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by Raj on Feb 20, 2013 12:09 PM
Such people are the enjoying on others toil. They don't understand the problems of common people like us. They talk as if they have jumped from the sky as they might have got ill gotton money to enjoy which we are deprived and we are dying to live each day. These people talk big and do all illegal activities and swuch people only encourage bribery and corruption etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by Argumentative Indian on Feb 20, 2013 12:23 PM
Salesbj & Raj, both of you have written a bunch of lies.
It is well known, that white collared employees, like engineers, accountants, clerks, officers, BPO / call center operators, marketing / sales personnel, etc., i.e. large parts of middle class India, are neither unionized nor do they benefit from union violence, attempts to blackmail the government and secure benefits for unionized workers at the cost of other sections of society.
Only those engineers / accountants / officers, etc. working for Govt. of India, among the above professions, benefit from union activity. True to form, they are asking for both a reduction in prices and 7TH PAY COMMMISSION!
The really poor people are most victimized by unionized cadre. People who don't have cushy central govt. jobs, but are skilled and hard working like electricians, plumbers, rickshaw drivers etc. The union takes away their opportunities by stifling economic growth.
BTW, salesbj, another lie on freedom struggle. Most of the leaders of the Indian freedom struggle were, as is logical, educated middle class folks. Not unionized workers.
Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by Harit Shah on Feb 20, 2013 12:07 PM
excuse me, but I do not get ANY benefit due to "some labourer struggle"!!! That is a highly dubious claim, salesjb! I have achieved whatever I have on my own steam and thru my own efforts! I do not have the luxury of a union that can hold the country to ransom whenever it pleases. So stop trying to write such false and misleading stuff, we do not get ANY benefits due to "some labourer struggle", on the contrary, any strike puts common citizens like is at great inconvenience!
Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by Harit Shah on Feb 20, 2013 12:08 PM
yes it was sad that the union leader had to die, I sympathise with his family and people responsible ought to be punished
Re: Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 12:18 PM
Although it is larger context and sometime the benefit we are getting due to struggle of some people ,Harit shah agree u achieved on your own, but if you are working in an organisation then ponder 2 things : how the working hour of 8 hours atleast in pen and paper comes pls google May day, 2. where is this minimum wages comes from why employer forced to pay minimum wages,PF etc.
Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by Opinionated Man on Feb 20, 2013 12:18 PM
You live ina house which labourers have built, u work in an office which is cleaned daliy by labourers. Have u ever tried to see whether they get the minimum wages?
Can u build an empire for yourself without help of these labours?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by Argumentative Indian on Feb 20, 2013 12:37 PM
OM, does closing BANKS (i.e. giving a holiday to white collared workers, who usually work in a comfortable, safe and in an almost 100% job security environment) help in getting minimum wages to the laborers who have built MY house and who clean the office in which I work, daily? (I assume since you have not said 'we' in your above statement you have probably built your own house and clean your own office everyday)?
I trust you know what Banks are, right? They are the same organizations that have given loans to Shri Shri Vijay Mallya (Approx. Rs. 6500 Cr. against collateral of < Rs. 600 Cr. - a banking consortium led by SBI).
These are the same organizations that go on giving loans to builders, who actually control the salary of the construction worker. These builders charge around Rs. 50 lacs for a 2 BHK outside metro cities. So a person who has worked his whole (miserable) life first at school & now at office, and earns a princely Rs. 20 - 25K per month, will actually not be able to buy a house for his family. This person will not be able to do his bank work today. I'm NOT a builder and so don't know for sure, but I think an average builder may have 10 lacs cash at hand at any time. They may not even be aware that banks are closed for 2 days.
Instead of asking others to thik and answer, I suggest you do a little thinking yourself please.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 12:46 PM
you are mixing many things 1. A person who is working in lets say in Bank first of all should not care about unorganised workers but they themselves know if he dont stand for other , than time will be there when no one stand for himself. Here comes union.
2. Vijay Mallya get cheap loan not because of some worker , it is due to policy and corruption in political level who some time force or bribe loan decider in a bank.
3. A worker dont decide a flat cost, labour is small component of a flat. A worker is main contributer to make your flat or else builder just work on pen and paper .A builder cartel decide about price , imagine rate of a flat increase double in one year and simultaneously crash into half in another year. Who control it ?
Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 12:24 PM
If you are a professional who dont think you get donation of 8 hours of working hour then read : International Workers' Day is the commemoration of the 1886 Haymarket affair in Chicago. The police were trying to disperse a public assembly during a general strike for the eight-hour workday, when an unidentified person threw a bomb at them. The police reacted by firing on the workers, killing dozens of demonstrators and several of their own officers. "Reliable witnesses testified that all the pistol flashes came from the center of the street, where the police were standing, and none from the crowd. Moreover, initial newspaper reports made no mention of firing by civilians. A telegraph pole at the scene was filled with bullet holes, all coming from the direction of the police
Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 12:27 PM
If you are software professional and dont care about anyone minimum wages then think the salary you are getting have some component of outsourcing countries minimum wages.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 12:30 PM
If you are self employed then also think all this price rise, inflation, disinvestment of PSU effect you as much as it effect a worker.
Atlast i am not from those unions but still we should appreciate when other fight for us.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by Argumentative Indian on Feb 20, 2013 01:00 PM
@salesbj, 1) Please advise, which labor laws apply for: a) Vegetable vendors b) Electricians, plumbers etc. c) Rickshaw drivers
2) Calling Bhagat Singh a union leader is 'spin doctoring'
3) While by itself, your repeated belabourings, that the 8 hour workday is a result (among others) of the pioneering struggle in the 19th century for workers' rights is correct, it is totally out of context as far as the present strike is concerned.
The truth is what Anil Mukherjee has written above. Political parties (including Congress) MAY be activating their unions in preparation for national elections in the forseeable future. A bit like an athlete begins with some warm up exercises.
The unorganized sector will probably be taken care of by pressure cookers and table fans.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 01:09 PM
argumentative indian : 1. Electrician plumber all comes under labour law where they are organised. The issue is implementation of labour law, so they are demanding forumlation and implementation of labour law in both organised and unorganised sector. read the demand it is social security for unorganised workers. Inflation effect you me , an electrician so also a vegetable vendor.
2. Bhagat Singh sacrifice his own life for others cause. You are now mixing every thing i said that on the context when someone laugh at others death. yes Bhagat Singh fought collectively for a cause.
3. You just appreciate 19 th century struggle by forgetting that struggle is a continuous process. All these minimum wage, inflation, implementation of labour law, social security for unorganised worker are only process.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Union leader deserves
by salesjb on Feb 20, 2013 12:39 PM
@argumentative indian lets check some lies : 1. social securities , labour law is primarily for unorganized sector. 2. A Bhagat Singh does not fight individually , he fought as collective with his comrades that is union. 3.When a software professional may not care about the minimum wages for lets say a sweeper but the he himself get the benefit of minimum wages from the source countries where company forced to implement that , that drive from the labour unions. Similarly on 8 hour working hours , pf etc. all these things dont came as donation some unions somewhere fought for this that force to organisation and govt. to implement labour law.
Re: Union leader deserves
by deepak saxena on Feb 20, 2013 12:43 PM
Shame for you Once you will victim of Govt policy then you will come out and no one will support. You support the govet policy divde and rule. Respect the problem Country is facing of price rise and less salary for employees.
Re: Union leader deserves
by I N D U on Feb 20, 2013 12:46 PM
You are a selfish guy..... and supporting the government.... on what they are doing against people.
Re: About Bandh and Hike on Economical Hike
by aleem Baig on Feb 20, 2013 12:26 PM
u should join again for K.G classes.. All d best to people around u ..
As verdict by Super supreme Court, the bandh or strike that are called on mid week are very offensive on human community and hence are illegal. The Court has advised that strike should either follow or before the weekend. E.g Friday or Monday
When prices go up cost of living goes up there is no other method than strike and bandh to make the unresponsive govt to wake up and take some remedial method to help the workers.So bandh is a must in democracy. More over election is coming and political parties are trying to capture power for which trade unins need gearing up.Political parties control the trade unoins and the parties use the strength of the trade unions to capture power.So more bandhs and Rasta roko etc are going to come.Unless the govt dole out some wages and dearness allowances trade union activities would rise and aam admi will suffer.Trade union unity can force the Govt to act nd there is no other way. Earlier the better for the country.
Re: TU Bandh
by himadri roy on Feb 20, 2013 11:05 AM
So according to you, this Bandh is going help the nation in other way. Great bong logic for not to work.
Re: TU Bandh
by Argumentative Indian on Feb 20, 2013 12:46 PM
I don't support most of Didi's policies, especially her high handedness and general disdain for due processes including the due process of law.
However, as a Bengali, I am glad Didi has given you in West Bengal a reply which is easy to understand for someone of your mentality.
I quote a line from your above post: "More over election is coming and political parties are trying to capture power for which trade unins need gearing up" Shows the reasons for the strike and your true colors.
As one has the right to protest and observe bandh, one has equal right not to do so. No one can force or intimidate from either side. Where are the human right activists who never take up such issues?
