seen them in top-notch Chicago mall, jewelery store, club- these 2 daughters v.heavily.western: cannot imagine what culture is their b/g.
they spending much money there: put even rich pakis to shame. like e.g. paying $300-$500 for 1 simple, but branded T-shirt, by younger daughter in a elite-mall of chicago, and thinking nothing of it?
their father getting money from somewhere. how their family spending, seems looted money. so they got it thru looting. and losing it thru looting.also.
and how? by selling off their country. and like, selling off OBL etc to white ppl.
Re: Whattabout $$ that ISI families spend like water, in Chicago?
by Siddhartha Sanghi on May 08, 2011 07:36 AM
what chicago mall are you talking about?
The only point where one can agree with Col Ahtale is the jihadists possessing a dirty bomb - a very distinct possibility.
I have read Col Athale's previous articles. Although from the Indian Army, yet he comes out to be a rightwinger and his articles are more for the uninitiated.
On the one hand he writes about an Islamic takeover of the world with an all encompassing Islamic emirate, while on the other he talks about the muted response from the rest of the muslim world.
Let those who dont know of Islam understand that OBL was a Wahabi. A fringe fanatical group whose ideology always remained on the sidelines of worldwide Islam in general. In modern times the sect was promoted only when the tribe of Saud emerged victorious over the Ottomon Sultan and founded Saudi Arabia. As a matter of fact Muhammad Ibn Abd Mutalib Ibn Wahab was a distasteful character born in the 18th century and subsequently disowned by his own father for his fanatical views.
Nobody in his senses believes there could be a global takeover by Islamic fundamentalists. The world is globalising for prosperity. The common human urge for prosperity will automatically discard the notion of religious intolerance.
There will be a struggle within the jihadi elite to get into the shoes of OBL. One who does that will be eliminated by the US. Increasingly the Pakistani fanatics will dawn the role and their attention will be towards more lucrative targets in the west than India.
Re: Re: Col Athale likely to be wrong in his various inferences.
by george thomas on May 08, 2011 12:49 AM
... The Wahabis think they are devout Muslims. ... However, the Muttawain in S.Arabia prove that the Wahabis are NOT devout Muslims. ... The Wahabis survive only because of the Muttawain
Re: Re: Col Athale likely to be wrong in his various inferences.
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 06, 2011 11:50 PM
The definition of devout differs from person to person.
Devotion to god implies love and respect for other humans which Sufism is all about.
A doctrinaire devotion to god which leads to hatred turning into brutality for others is not being devout. It also inevitably occurs on account of a convoluted interpretation of religious scriptures - completely devoid of compassion.
The Sufi saints who adorned the Indian landscape at various points in history did not differentiate between people of different creeds. For them, devotion was love for god and humans without any difference. This is humanity.
Any human being - howsoever religious - but bereft of humanity is as good as Satan. Wahabism is satanical.
As I told you, devotion means different things to different people.
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by Wahaj Faridy on May 07, 2011 12:41 AM
Mr Imtiaz, You are talking CRAP. There is NO Wahabism.
What you call Wahabism is movement to cleanse Iz lam of all that crap sold in name of Sufism
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by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 07, 2011 05:19 PM
Which means you subscribe to the wahabi phylosophy, being a muslim myself I dont agree. I know Sufism is richer - spiritually and culturally. If we Indians are asked to choose between the syncretic islam taught to us by great sufi saints of India and the islam of OBL - which one will most choose ?
I cannot subscribe to the undemocratic and cruel fundamentalism of the wahabis. I would be the happiest person when the wahabi saudi regime is overthrown - the great satan of modern times.
It is more important for the wahabis to cleanse themselves of inhumane ways - crap that it is.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Col Athale likely to be wrong in his various infe
by hanif muhammed on May 07, 2011 07:52 AM
Blind hatred for the other is not Islam. It is a contortion of the religion like some "sufis" do not do obligatory prayers but want to be always accorded the highest status in islam. In other words there could be good muslims among sufis and also among wahabis. But the compassion created by sufis brought in many to Islam and the hatred espoused by wahabis has taken away many from Islam. As the famous Quranic Aayat says " There is no compulsion in religion but the truth will make itself clear over falsehood "
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Col Athale likely to be wrong in his various
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 07, 2011 05:25 PM
Hanif : the wahabis are sunnis. Please do not confuse between sufism/wahabism/sunnis.
Let the ideology of person remain with him or her as long as it does not disturb the peace of society.
Eventually hardline phylosophy is substantially a mass mobilisation policy to acquire power. One can mobilise people with peaceful and democratic means, but if it attacks the fabric of society, then such crackpots have to be dealt in the language they best understand.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Col Athale likely to be wrong in his various
by hanif muhammed on May 07, 2011 07:55 AM
Also Wahabis and Terrorists among those who claim to be in Islam these days are called extreme sunnis., where as the words extreme and sunni do not go together.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Col Athale likely to be wrong in his various
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 07, 2011 05:21 PM
Nobody has any quarrel with the ideology of any individual as long as it does not pose a threat to the harmony of society.
Re: Col Athale likely to be wrong in his various inferences.
by P Zipk on May 07, 2011 03:51 AM
Why are twisting Colonel's words. He said Al Qaeda and Pakistani toerrorist organizations have the dream of islamizing the world.
Re: Re: Col Athale likely to be wrong in his various inferences.
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 07, 2011 05:28 PM
The inherent contradictions of Col Athale's article is evident. The onus to write a rationale article is upto the author, if he is irrational then the readers have the right to bring the contradictions to the fore. Nobody went to Col Athale's home requesting him to write an article, its coherence therefore is his duty.
Let war against Pakistan is only solution to eliminate terrorist..... AFTER FEW MINUTES Sorry it is US Army personal paper i mistakenly read the lines...there are so many papers are in front of me so really confused Dialog with Pakistan will continue till another attack on Indian soil.......
Let war against Pakistan is only solution to eliminate terrorist..... AFTER FEW MINUTES Sorry it is US Army personal paper i mistakenly read the lines...there are so many papers are in front of me so really confused Dialog with Pakistan will continue till another attack on Indian soil.......
