Let an Indian Diplomat kill anyone in US for whatever reason. Will the US send him back to India without any trial there? They say that the US laws are applicable within US. Similarly within Pakistan, Pak rules are applicable to murderers from whichever country. Remember, an Indian Diplomat slapped his wife in UK and the world cried hoarse asking India to remove his Diplomatic Immunity.
US is worst as far as Double Standards are concerned.
Re: Re: Release Raymond Davis: Clinton tells Zardari
by secret on Feb 08, 2011 11:21 PM
Also, unlike the Banana Republic of India, crimes are taken seriously in the western countries.
Re: Release Raymond Davis: Clinton tells Zardari
by secret on Feb 08, 2011 11:20 PM
A small correction: UK asked for recall of the ambassador or removal of his immunity status. In case of Davis, I believe that he acted in self-defence.
Re: Release Raymond Davis: Clinton tells Zardari
by west on Feb 08, 2011 10:30 PM
though nirupama rao is holding diplomat status, she was hard searched at the airport. US explanation is that - the airport security followed the procedures and diplomats are not exempted from body searches even the diplomate is female or not. these guys have no shame to ask for diplomat immunity when their diplomat is accused even in much bigger crimes
Both pak and USA seems to care for their people (may not for ordinary people but diplomat, state agents etc)
This is not the case with India neither it can pressure other country to treat its people with respect NOR it arrest any foreigner for their misdoings.
Remember his "yapping" or "flirting" or "blushing" whatever with Clinton in USA sometime back? Boy what acting yaar!
"Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi reportedly did not attend an international security conference in Munich last week after Secretary of State Clinton cancelled a meeting with him to protest Davis' arrest."
The american lady already showed her M finger to that Pak1 flirt.
this is wat happens when u have rich and powerful friend..if he is released then they dont have the face to face the pak people and if he is not released then no face to face US...wat a suituation for pak
Re: Do americans feel world as hunting ground???
by Herry on Feb 08, 2011 08:56 PM
u r an idiot. That diplomat killed those 2 goons in self defense. They were trying to rob him. And according to International LAW pak cant arrest that diplomat.
Re: Re: Do americans feel world as hunting ground???
by Maximum on Feb 08, 2011 08:59 PM
why was indian diplomat caught in UK for arguing with his wife does not he have immunity
people like you who eat western stool will not ever understand what is respect
Re: Do americans feel world as hunting ground???
by vinod issar on Feb 09, 2011 02:40 PM
Hey,they are quite adept at this type of hunting.Remember what they did to native Americans better known as'Red Indians'.
Re: Do americans feel world as hunting ground???
by Oye Kake on Feb 08, 2011 09:03 PM
Any way diplomats are protected by vienna treaties so even they kill any renowned person they could not be arrested in that country; they can be sent back to host country where the legal proceedings can follow if the host country agrees.
Re: Re: Do americans feel world as hunting ground???
by Yak Suri on Feb 08, 2011 09:34 PM
do you know vienna treaty covers only diplomats and not technical staff of embassy.... davis was technical advisor for the high comission... get ur facts right before throwing big words like vienna treaty
Article 31 1.A diplomatic agent shall enjoy immunity from the criminal jurisdiction of the receiving State. He shall also enjoy immunity from its civil and administrative jurisdiction, except in the case of: (a) A real action relating to private immovable property situated in the territory of the receiving State, unless he holds it on behalf of the sending State for the purposes of the mission; (b) An action relating to succession in which the diplomatic agent is involved as executor, administrator, heir or legatee as a private person and not on behalf of the sending State; (c) An action relating to any professional or commercial activity exercised by the diplomatic agent in the receiving State outside his official functions. 2.A diplomatic agent is not obliged to give evidence as a witness. 3.No measures of execution may be taken in respect of a diplomatic agent except in the cases coming under subparagraphs (a), (b) and (c) of paragraph 1 of this article, and provided that the measures concerned can be taken without infringing the inviolability of his person or of his residence. 4.The immunity of a diplomatic agent from the jurisdiction of the receiving State does not exempt him from the jurisdiction of the sending State.
Re: As per Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations
by Telveer on Feb 08, 2011 08:54 PM
Both US and Pakistan are signatories to this convention. If US says he is an American Diplomat, then he is covered by the articled of this convention. Accordingly, he can not be held by Pakistan (under article 31) unless US submits a waiver (article 32) asking that the person be treated as per local laws. The later did not happen, so Pakistan finds itself in a diplomatic hot soup.
If Pakistan follows international law and releases Davis, it will be perceived as a weakness, even though the law states Davis has to be released. If Pakistan tries to succump to popular pressure from local groups, it will strain relations with US, which has been the largest donor to Pakistan since its existence.
Re: As per Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations
by Telveer on Feb 08, 2011 08:50 PM
Article 32 1.The immunity from jurisdiction of diplomatic agents and of persons enjoying immunity under article 37 may be waived by the sending State. 2.Waiver must always be express. 3.The initiation of proceedings by a diplomatic agent or by a person enjoying immunity from jurisdiction under article 37 shall preclude him from invoking immunity from jurisdiction in respect of any counterclaim directly connected with the principal claim. 4.Waiver of immunity from jurisdiction in respect of civil or administrative proceedings shall not be held to imply waiver of immunity in respect of the execution of the judgement, for which a separate waiver shall be necessary.
Zardari is in an unenviable situation. If he releases Davis, the Islamic fundamentalists and ISI will be angry with him. If he does not, the United States will be angry with him.
