Let kashmir be independent / part of Pak etc WHY .. 1. I live in mumbai and don't kashmir safe for tourism in next 20 years ( so no use to rest of india) 2. Does not contribute to the economy 3. Drain on tax money that you and I work every bloody day to contribute to. 4. Rather use the money to improve the regions that want to be part of india
Re: Re: Let it go ..its poisoned
by Archana Menon on Sep 24, 2010 09:48 AM
So Mr Vishnu Sharma, If you buy an apple from the market and it turns rotten with worms in it, you would still treasure it close to your heart, savour it and dpnt mind spending your money on treating yourself at the hospital due to it, come whatever may? As per your "non-defeatist" and "winner" outlook? Sorry but thats not what seems prudent to me. You dont see the plight of our armymen who are driven to near madness spending years and years in those places away from their family. Ah but you only need to see it on your news channel, coccooned far away in the warm comforts of your home. You perhaps dont feel the direct effect of the zillions being spent by India in trying to hold onto that piece of land. Let go of the whole state, let the trio (China, Pak and Kashmiris) decide what they want to do. Pakis have enough in their plate to even think of what they will do if they get the state. Human instincts will drive China to try to arm-wrestle their way into the whole place and then will start the dissent. The Kashmiris would have no option but run back to India for help. And even if they dont, who cares?
Re: Re: Re: Let it go ..its poisoned
by Baner on Sep 24, 2010 09:33 PM
So after they get Kashmir, they will want the next region - Himachal Pradesh. They will start insurgency there as well...and after 60 years, you would give them that too?
Apart from cutting entire Jammu Division (Hindus, Muslim Gujjars & Muslim Bakerwals inhabited) and districts of Kargil (Shia Ladakhi settled), Leh (Buddhist Ladakhi dominated) & Anantnag (for settling Kashmiri Pandit refugees & path to Amarnath) by merging them with neighbouring Himachal Pradesh who don't deserve to be bullied by majority Kashmiri Sunni Muslims and remain unnecessarily under shadow of Jihad! Again high concentration (30%) of Muslim minority in Jammu region & Ladakh (49% with both Kargil & Leh districts) will be diluted by assimilation in HP (97% Hindu) besides, there is no direct land route from Jammu to Ladakh so they can't be made separate states as then, strategic Ladakh with 49% Muslims now may become Islamic majority in near future endangering all Indians. However, there are direct land routes from Shimla to Jammu & Ladakh so no problem if Himachal Pradesh is enlarged. Rest of Kashmir valley may retain current rights of 'Jammu & Kashmir' state (renamed as only "Kashmir") & provided immediately with President's rule through army for 5 years followed by Vidhansabha Elections!
over-attention and appeasement by the indian news media is the reason for encouragement of the stine-throwers looking for attention in the valley. if they autonomously ignored by the media, they will get tired of throwing stones and start going to whatever work they have.
Re: non-coverage by indian media is the 'autonomy' the valley d
by viswanatha seshadri on Sep 22, 2010 04:25 PM
over 100 dying over 3 months is being over-emphasized, self-invited by stonethrow at police, anyway. perhaps more die in a month in accidents in delhi! media should ignore the pak-paid agitations in the clash-meer valley.
Re: Re: non-coverage by indian media is the 'autonomy' the vall
by viswanatha seshadri on Sep 22, 2010 04:48 PM
quote from Andrabi, who is one of the key drivers of this stone throwing jihad, along with Masarrat Alam...
[I don't believe in Kashmiriyat, I don't believe in nationalism. I believe that there are just two nations—Muslims and non-Muslims. I am a Muslim; I am least bothered whether I will be called a Kashmiri. I'm Andrabi, I'm from the Syed dynasty. I'm not actually Kashmiri, I'm Arab, my ancestors had come from Arabia to Central Asia. I believe in Islamic nationalism.
So as far as our ideology is concerned, Kashmir is not a part of India because united India was divided on the basis of religion. No one can deny this fact. We want our future too to be solved on the basis of religion.
'Inshallah, Kashmir Will Become Part Of Pakistan"
clearly, moslems of clash-meer will be really happy only if relocated in their original land of arabia.
set their souls free of the bodily bondage it is facing... finish all pro pak tumor faruq and sa^deli gilanis ruthlessly...afterall they want eternal freedom isnt it? send them to seventytwo v^irgins awaiting them in the heavenly harem! Jai Hind! Vande Mataram!
When we say no to Azaadi, is it an investment or a cost. Even if it is an investment, can the nation mobilise enough to make the investment.
We are facing very difficult choices in Kashmir. The Sino-Pak military is far more powerful than Indian echelons. So there can be no forward movement, no stopping of terror inflection which denying Azadi to these folks brings forth to India.
The least which needs to be done, is open up India to next-gen reforms which alas is stalled by the crazy combination of anti-imperial leftists and swadeshi nationalist. So it has become simply impossible for India to build a credible civilian constituency with the Academicia and Business leaders in the developed nations.
Even worse is the abject dependency for defence procurment which has only added one more nation, to accentuate dependency and vulnerability. On security needs we need to resource from local industrial base, while opt for an open economic architecture for economic and educational development.
Re: need superior strategic architecture
by Ramesh on Sep 22, 2010 06:59 AM
To be credible to Kashmiris in the present juncture, it is better to be equidistant from both allies of Pakistan, in matters of strategic equations.
This clear cut distancing from the terror infrastructure is likely to obtain credibility of the Kashmiris and preclude any interference by the real-politic as well as opportunistic segments in the polity of numero-uno nation. This risk may have accentuated presently beyond acceptable levels.
To cushion against this strategic distancing, economic opening up to enable level-playing fields would be also necessary to avoid Iran like cordoning.
Re: Re: need superior strategic architecture
by Ramesh on Sep 22, 2010 07:04 AM
There is no reason all those perpetrator of international crime , which was creation of terror infrastructure, be not held accountable by India.
Defence of the nation can be built on a sustainable basis by opportunistic alliances.
Re: Re: Re: need superior strategic architecture
by Ramesh on Sep 22, 2010 07:07 AM
The very same crazy combination of anti-imperial leftists and swadeshi nationalist is a very potent one in the context of Indian defence.
Re: Re: Re: need superior strategic architecture
by Ramesh on Sep 22, 2010 07:05 AM
Defence of the nation can not be built on a sustainable basis by opportunistic alliances.
Re: Re: Re: Re: need superior strategic architecture
by Ramesh on Sep 22, 2010 07:21 AM
At a later date, when a nation is ready to accept categorically Indian legal stand on Kashmir as just and consistent with the basic value paradigm of separation of State from Religion, strategic partnership can be explored.
The Netaji Subhash style enemy-s enemy is my friend was rejected squarely by most of our enlightened freedom fighters, and we need to continue keeping such non-value based partnership at adequate strategic distance.
When muslim become a majority in an area they are problems for all, Solution disperse them. Give no help financialy to them .Our congress govt uses them as vote bank feedd them, cloths them with govt funds and they are now lazy and have no work but create terror. Stop all aid.
Re: kashmir
by viswanatha seshadri on Sep 22, 2010 04:15 PM
right, if they want their own 'prime-minister', they should not expect any grants from the PM of india.
Dissolve immediately article 370, give full power to army & dissolve state assembly with immediate effect. Kashmiris are not in favour of these anti-national activities, they are equally good & suppressed as normal indian. we knows our future is with india only but our politicians doesn't want to die down this issue because they know because politicians know how much indian tax payers money is being pumped in kashmir. Give full power to army to wipe out these 1000-1500 hurriyat activites because we knows they are nothing but paid pakistani militants. Omar abdullah, PM, CONGRESS, BJP & all political leaders & our corrupt beurocrates are equally resposible for kashmiri crisis & god will punish them one day for their crimes.
