enough is enough, for last 63 yrs after feeding my fellow indian in kashmir at subsidised rate at the cost of ex-chequer and spending a sizable portion of defence budget only for maintaining peace in kashmir As ,because of multiple vested interested politician, religious leaders from both inside and outside of J&K,a sizable chunk of kashmiri brethren do not consider them Indian,i)allow them to leave india for their favourable destination.Or ii)Separate Kashmir from rest of J&K and keeping Ladak & Jammu with India ,make kashmir a buffer state under the control of UN.
Re: kashmir
by brajesh khare on Sep 18, 2010 11:56 PM
your's stupid suggestion of disintregation of kashmir with rest of the country fuels nothing but separatism.PEACE can not be bought by cowardice acts.Abolition of article 370 not AFSPA is the best solution of this crisis.I am sorry to say that pseudo socialist and pseudo secular forces in India are not prepared to contemplate this ultimate instrument owing their partition interest. please stop talking like a mediator.
For your information History never make mistake , you can not put your legs in shoes of Past what was intensity of problem Gandhiji had as you where nor we where there , forget what is happned , focus on what can be done , blaming past is not the answer thats why it is called past.
Thanks sheela for this interview with Mr Jaitley .
Thanks & Regards
Michael Xavier AAM ADME DIL HEIN HINDUSTANI JAI HIND
Re: Hello Arun Jaitely & Sheela Bhatt
by Jaihosingh on Sep 21, 2010 09:30 AM
Noone is blaming the past. Jaitley is explaining the original cause behind this mess and blaming the continuing Nehru mindest in present government. What needs to be done now is clearly mentioned in last three paragraphs. You only need to read the whole matter rather than jumping out to post comments. This is one of the rare forums where Opposition views are openly published. Rest of the media is sold of to Congressis anyway.
Re: Hello Arun Jaitely & Sheela Bhatt
by Loan Shark on Sep 20, 2010 06:28 PM
well said ... it is common among Indian politicians to blame their predecessors like Gandhiji and Nehruji for all the present day problems - not realizing that they were two of the many architects of India's freedom struggle. They went to jail and renounced a life of comfort and pleasure so that we could breathe in a free country.
Re: Re: Hello Arun Jaitely & Sheela Bhatt
by Uaskedforit on Sep 20, 2010 07:12 PM
Loan SharkYou have a shallow knowledge of our freedom struggle .... Actually as Shallow as Shallow can be !! The freedom struggle was a movement involving millions of people and thousands of leaders . There is no reason for this nation to spend or waste time listing the sacrifice of just two of them Gandhi and his Chela Nehru !! Credit them for their contribution without overdoing it !! This crap about sacrificing their life etc is nonsense that we must stop misusing to give them credibility !! Why is Nehru better than the poor soldiers that died in 1962 unarmed and unclothed for the occasion ? They sacrificed their life for an imbecile who lived in the comforts of Teen Murthy ! Was the sacrifice of Sardar Patel or of Scubas Chandra Bose ( whose actions actually made the British realize that holding on to India was impossible ) and less than that of the Kashmir Pandit with a rose in his button hole and muscle between his ears !!
Re: Hello Arun Jaitely & Sheela Bhatt
by Uaskedforit on Sep 20, 2010 07:28 PM
Michael Xavier, With all efforts I cannot see any logic or reason in what you have written!!! Can you more specific about what you mean "History never make mistake" ??? I don’t think that Jaitlet by any stretch of imagination has even hinted that "history made a mistake" He has on the other hand referred to Historical mistakes ( Please don’t confuse with ‘history making mistakes’ ) In life most of the problems of the present have their roots in the past … and anyone with a functioning brain would search in the past to understand the problem !! That is what Jaitley is referring to the past !! If you don’t know your mistake they cannot be correct !! Nobody is suggesting that we hang Gandhi or Nehru but being critical of their actions is hardly unjustified !! Even a moron will admit that all leaders ( the ones you or I like or the ones that you or I dislike) have pros and cons !! Lets cheer their pros and damn their cons !!!
Dear Jaitly, you are indeed a pitiable character. I am sad to lable you thus, for you are a astute legal mind and one of the sharpest brains, that there could be. All the same, your agenda seems to be flawed. Your tantrums are nothing less of a labelling as other side of Jihadist coin...thats how I would see it. One basic lesson we all learn to respect is to stop blaming historical figures while the house is on fire! First, use all your energies, intellect and try and help solve the problem by providing the necessary solidarity for the party in power. This will send very strong signals to our enemy...who know when to bare their fangs and when to withdraw. My appeal to you Jaitley...please use all your intellect for the right cause and at the right time. Instead of trying to belittle our past leadership , at every opportunity, show your statemanship and behave like a good opposition should.
Mr. Kranti I want to inform you that on the insistence of the Muslim leage West & East pakistan were formed WHICH WAS INTEGRAL PART OF UNDIVIDED INDIA.Now against the Muslim population of 27% they werer handed over 30 % of the territory EXCLUDING Jammu& Kashir as Raja Harisinh contracted with Sardar patel. So when East&West Pak itself was an integral part of India how come J&K is not the integral part of India? But for the Female mentality of Nehru & congress! Indira gandhi liberated Bangala Desh but could not or did not liberated J&K.
Re: Kashmir an unfinished agenda of Pak
by kranti on Sep 15, 2010 01:50 PM
But What did BJP do when they were in power at the Centre ??????????????????? Did they not ally with Abdullas???????????
Re: Re: Kashmir an unfinished agenda of Pak
by S B on Sep 15, 2010 02:04 PM
You pl make the concepts of an entity called 'constitution' clear. BJP and Shivsena were the only two parties numbering only 200 in parliament during NDA rule which wanted article 370to be scrapped. Do you know how many MPs india has? 543. It is not even simple majpority for such an attempt. Forget about 2/3rd majority needed for such amendment. Did you expect BJP disobey constitution or bribe MPs and make this? People of your mindset are idiots to vote for pseudo seculars or enjoy the holidays roaming with boy friends on ballot day and then free to blame all politicians including those like Mr Jaitley who are doing something sincerely. Alliance with Abdulla was not to support his ideology of autonomy but to bring them in mainstream. Abdulla for the first time allied with a national party that time which was a good sign. They did not ally with anybody like PDP who are not interested in India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kashmir an unfinished agenda of Pak
by Jaihosingh on Sep 21, 2010 09:36 AM
There is no need to come to Kashmir to note the coward and unfaithful Kashmiri-Muslims. They have been eating out of Indian Aid and are now barking back. They should best be eliminated or pushed off to Porkistan. That is where such dogs can rest best.
Re: Re: Re: Kashmir an unfinished agenda of Pak
by Loan Shark on Sep 20, 2010 06:32 PM
then BJP should have forgone the chance of making a govt. if they made a govt and put their PM at the top, they shd take responsibility
Re: Re: Kashmir an unfinished agenda of Pak
by Arun Jani on Sep 15, 2010 02:07 PM
BJP was never in power at the Centre it was handicaped NDA beside I am not interested in aeguments but ot understand some thing like at the age of 55 I am not able to understand the cowardise of the Congress & their appeasement policy and never to imagine the strong party without the Nehruvians!
Re: Re: Re: Kashmir an unfinished agenda of Pak
by Loan Shark on Sep 20, 2010 06:30 PM
you are right ... the PM was not from BJP, the home minister/dy PM was not from BJP, the finance minister was not from BJP, the foreign minister was not from BJP
It wasn't a BJP govt at all ... it was more like a congress govt.
Mr Jaitley Why didnt you put in practice what you are preaching today when you were at the helm in the Centre ????? If very evident BJP just wants to score brownie political point using this issue .. You do not have a constructive approach to solve issues... just like COngress !!!
Re: Why didnt BJP do it in NDA Rule ????
by rochak gupta on Sep 15, 2010 03:05 PM
kranti.... i m from j&K n m human..... beleive me or not but the whole fact is well known to us in reality.... its a question of country n not abt section of society..... we hv seen 55 years of congress policies.... let us hv one more time majorty govt @ ie BJP .... dood ka dood our pan ka pani ho jayeegaaa.
Re: Why didnt BJP do it in NDA Rule ????
by S B on Sep 15, 2010 02:01 PM
You pl make the concepts of an entity called 'constitution' clear. BJP and Shivsena were the only two parties numbering only 200 in parliament during NDA rule which wanted article 370to be scrapped. Do you know how many MPs india has? 543. It is not even simple majpority for such an attempt. Forget about 2/3rd majority needed for such amendment. Did you expect BJP disobey constitution or bribe MPs and make this? People of your mindset are idiots to vote for pseudo seculars or enjoy the holidays roaming with boy friends on ballot day and then free to blame all politicians including those like Mr Jaitley who are doing something sincerely
The answer lies in removing the special status to J & K. allowing all other Indians to settle in the state. ( Is it not a part of India?). This move will ensure that the demographic profile of the state becomes more cosmopolitan and Indian-like. Please note that other parts of the state have other populations who are not Muslims and they have been persecuted even now in J&K and their minority populations are deprived of their human rights. (Only terrorists have human rights but not the families of those who are killed by the terrorists have no Human rights. (Hope that the human right activists one day get killed by the terrorists then we will see whether they support the human rights of terrorists)
Re: Kashmir Problem
by email_mytake@rediffmail.com on Sep 17, 2010 10:47 PM
I agree Indians need to have freedom of settling anywhere of their choice...including Kashmir. That is welcome both for the country as well as the region, as it will become more prosperous due to new ideas, new capital flowing in...in turn improving the local economy. DONT agree with hostility to human rights...let them do their work and we ours!
Re: Kashmir Problem
by birbal sahni on Sep 20, 2010 10:06 PM
WHEN WE SAY KASHMIR IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF INDIA THEN ARTICLE 370 WHY NOT GIVE IT TO PUNJAB. THERE WAS A SEPERIST MOVEMENT Also
Kashmir is land where our one of the holiest shrines Amarnath is, Kasmir (POK) is the land where our another important holi shrine Sharada Peeth is (whcih is not reachable to us any more), Kashmir has always been thriving centre of hinduism and buddhism. So, Kashmir is very emotional issue for Indians. Also, it is stratetagically important for our country. India can for once think of letting nagaland go if they want so, but no question about kashmir out of India.
Re: Kashmir
by Kiran Kumar on Sep 15, 2010 01:11 PM
Adding to that, Kashmir (unlike Bengal) is the land where people were forcibly and brutally converted to Islam. They did not voluntarily chose it. Where later Kashmiri Pundits were driven out of their own lands. Hope people there understand one day that their ancestors were torchured to conversion.
Re: Kashmir
by S B on Sep 15, 2010 01:05 PM
Please do not say 'Hindu'. Congress will gift it to Pakistan to get Muslim votes as doing anything against Hindus will make them secular all over world
Re: Kashmir
by KK on Sep 18, 2010 02:27 PM
Words forcibly and brutly for conversion these are lies spread by Foolish Organization and this are not going to do any good.Kashmir is the land of Sufis. Sufism like Buddhism which attracted many people to convert from HInduism. you agree or not but this is the Truth.
Re: Re: Kashmir
by KK on Sep 18, 2010 02:35 PM
As far is Bengal is concerned Muslim rulers encouraged the local language bengali and in muslim Rule only the Hindu scripts of Bhagvata,Ramayana,Mahabharata were translated in Bengali. Many sufi fakirs from Iran and central Asia came to bengal and preached sufism never forced local to convert.
