Guha ( a Tamil with a Bengali surname---- very strange indeed) did a BA in Economics from Delhi University followed by a Fellowship( Equivalent to PhD) in Forestry Management from IIM, Calcutta.
He has no qualification in history.
It is just like APJ Abdul Kalam, Diploma in Mechanical Engineering from Madras Polytechnic, is both a Rocket scientist and a Nuclear scientist.
My god, that was the greatest ever discovery !!! If I were incharge awarding Nobel prizes, believe I would have given 3 prizes for this !!!! I am certain you must be having at least 4 brains to discover such a thing !!!
Name should have been eradicated. Vallabhai Patel should have been the PM. No problem in Kashmir. Nehru was too infactuated by a Lady's private parts to rule a country like India.
Re: Nehru?
by natarajan iyer on Feb 09, 2012 08:04 PM
The greatest legacy of Nehru to India is the perennial ,painful and unsolved or unsolvable problem of KASHMIR .Congress will not accept but India will bleed .
r.Guha,Greatest mistake Godse made is he should have shot dead Nehru instead of Gandhi, then this nation would have been in a bettter place. suffering of our people would not be there. So do think Nehru is great , he is a useless man. selfish , womeniser and he contribution to nation is NIL.
In 1947, August 15, when we got independence, Gandhiji called a meeting of Congress Leaders and told them to dissolve Congress party and conduct an election. So that we have a government by the people. Then our these power hunger great leaders like Pandit Nehru and Sardar Patel told Gandhiji that till 1947 the British Rulers were looting the nation and now we got the chance to loot this nation and we will loot. The democracy has delivered to us poverty, starvation, unemployment, illiteracy, infant mortality, homeless, etc; democracy is here to protect the Bourgeois & Landlords and not doing anything for the poor. The Congress leaders are looting the nation since 1947. With a view to loot the nation, Congress Party is appointing on all the places corrupt bureaucrats so that support each other. Sonia Gandhi is looting India and looted money is deposited in Italiyan Bank. By money and muscle power the UPA came in power during 2009 election. We have seen on tv news channels that the Congress leaders are distributing money filled packets ranging from Rs. 1500 to 2500 were delivered to almost all the parliamentary constituencies and came to power. (Eg: Rajkot in Gujarat, Vadakara in Kerala, Barabanki in Uttar Pradesh, etc.) The congress party has spent around Rs. 50 lac crores during the 2009 general election. Now one-by-one scams involving lacs of crores rupees are coming out – 2G scam for Rs. 1.76 lac crores, CWG scam for Rs. 90000 Crores, Adhars
Re: Re: Congress Party.
by Narasimha rao on Jul 15, 2011 10:16 PM
exactly, , Lal Bahadur Sastri, Sardar Patel, Gandhi, Nehru, Ambedkar are great leaders, and we should pray to god to their rebirth
With all due respect to Dr. Ramachandra he is completely wrong when he says that Hindu civilization was polluted because it practised untouchability. Untouchabliity was not originally a part of Vedic culture. The Vedic society was based on Varnashrama Dharma - which is the division of society into different classes on the basis of the qualities and work performed by a person. But in Vedic society these varnas were not decided by birth, as is commonly believed by modern historians and intellectuals who have studied Indian history written by Western historians. Rather the division was based upon the qualities and the phsyco-physical inclination of an individual to do a particular type of work.
These classes were referred to as varnas which were brahmanas – the intellectual class, kshatriyas - the adminsitrative class, vaishyas – the mercantile class and shudras - the labourer or worker class. Brahmanas would normally be inclined to work as priests, teachers, doctors and astrologers, kshatriyas would be inclined to be administrators and warriors, vaishyas would be inclined to work as businessmen and traders while shudras would be workers, craftsmen and laborers. Interestingly the modern occupation of engineering would also be classified by the Vedic definition as shudras. The important thing here is that the inclination of the individual was important and not birth. The other factor taken into account was the qualities of the individual.
Re: re: untouchability
by Rajmohan Kurup on Mar 02, 2011 11:54 AM
Brahmanas were known by their qualities of peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, knowledge, wisdom and religiousness. Kshatriyas were distinguished by heroism, power, determination, resourcefulness, courage in battle, generosity and leadership (Kings in Vedic times did not sit on their thrones and order the army to fight battles, like modern day chiefs of govts., they would rather be at the front, leading their armies in a war). Vaishyas were inclined to farming, cow protection, trading and commerce while shudra were inclined to do service for others. These four divisions of society in Vedic times were natural because people are not born all the same. Everybody is an individual, and each person is inclined to different kinds of activities and work, and has different qualities. In fact today also we find these four classes existing though they are not recognized as such – intellectual class, administrative class and the worker class. It is not possible to have a classless society, one only has to see the failure of communism to see how true this is. Mr. Ramachandran says there was division of manul and mental labour in Hindu civilization, which is true. But what is wrong in that? It happens today also – engineers don’t act as doctors, a trader cannot be good at war and so on. In the Vedic varnashrama this was much better organized than it is now.
Re: Re: re: untouchability
by Rajmohan Kurup on Mar 02, 2011 11:55 AM
In varnashrama system the son of a brahmana was not automatically a brahmana, rather being born in a family of brahmanas offered him the chance to become a brahmana. Just like the son of a doctor does not automatically become a doctor. He has good opportunity to become a doctor because his father can guide him in his studies, maybe he may have better finances to set up his practise and so on. But this is what happened when Vedic society began degrading into the caste-based system. People began to act as brahmanas and kshatriyas by birth, which is as ridiculous as the son of a judge claiming to be a judge by birth. This degradation has been happening since the last five thousand years, it is not a recent phenomenon. The ideal society, according to the Vedic varnashrama was all these different classes cooperating together in the common aim of service to the God or the Supreme Lord. There was no question of untouchability. Brahmanas were required to be pure, both in their body and mind, especially before doing any priestly rituals. There were special rituals to ensure this purity. Before performing any priestly duties they were careful to avoid any contaminating influence which would disturb this purity. Thus they would avoid coming in contact with unclean objects, unclean surroundings and unclean people. And this was not limited to shudras, but also applied to avoiding unclean kshatriyas and unclean vaishyas also.
Re: Re: Re: re: untouchability
by Rajmohan Kurup on Mar 02, 2011 11:56 AM
In fact they would avoid members of their own family if they had not had a bath etc. Lastly women were not oppressed, though this has been happening in the last few hundreds of years. Men and women had different roles to play and the role of each one was recognized. What has the women’s liberation movement achieved which one should be proud of? One has to only look at societies in the West like US and other European countries to see what is happening
Re: Re: Re: Re: re: untouchability
by Derek Obrian on Feb 09, 2012 02:09 PM
Guha ( a Tamil with a Bengali surname---- very strange indeed) did a BA in Economics from Delhi University followed by a Fellowship( Equivalent to PhD) in Forestry Management from IIM, Calcutta.
He is not a Historian. He knows nothing about Hinduism either.
Re: How?????
by Raj Chandra on Sep 01, 2011 11:34 AM
Subhash Bose allied with Hitler and Mussolini, right there he howed his stupidity. Savarkar was against everyone who was not a Brahmin. Bhagat Singh had no road map for indpendent India and used violent tactics. Tilak ded early in 1920 and hence could not be considered. Patel was an ardent admirer of Mahatma right till his death; he would have been a good PM. Azad, the man did nothing substantial except was a Muslim who preferred India to Pakistan. Shstri was honest but too soft. Mahatma Gandhi was rightly called the Father of the Nation and has a specil place in the hearts of Indians and the world alike.
