We shud appreciate growth,however small it may be.In school we had one unwritten law. The toppers had to guide the students who were weak to bring them up.The same shud be our aim in this country. Well developed states like Maharashtra Gujarat Punjab Delhi etc shud support the growth, because we are all interrelated. So please dnt foulmouth the Biharis/UPwallahs..but help them to come up with us. We are Indians...
Re: North India is developing
by Mohinibartake on Mar 06, 2010 01:08 PM
Sure, Mayawati is busy spending money on building statues....any reaction to this injustice done to the people of UP
The constitutional provision that anybody can live anywhere is being misused. Our constitutional experts never would have imagined that there would be mass migration from one part of the country to another.
Every citizen must have an ancestral place and he must stick to his ancestral place.
Or, if it is necessary to migrate for whatever reasons, then he must take permission and migrate. Just like taking visa to visit another country.
These mass migrations must be banned.
Why should people from certain states (including my own state, AP) go to another state? What makes them go? Does it not mean that something is wrong with these states?
Let each citizen live in his own state and develop his own state.
Another angle to the problem is: Bangladeshis are flooding UP and Bihar, working for very low wages and forcing the natives to migrate to other states. This is very convenient to the SECULAR politicians.
Another angle: why should Indians migrate to other countries, whether USA or gulfhame on them. If you don't have opportunities in India, then die.
Sorry for using harsh words, but I think we need to debate this issue from all its angles.
Re: Re: Ban all migration
by saarvesh tari on Mar 06, 2010 01:15 PM
Up n bihar is a dirty place yaak ...Mr thakre is great n all maharashtrian loves himmm
Re: Ban all migration
by Haramohan Roy on Mar 06, 2010 12:53 PM
Mr Reddy, rest assured that constitution will not change as per the wish of people like you, who admire a petty goonda like Thackeray.
Re: Re: Re: Ban all migration
by Haramohan Roy on Mar 06, 2010 01:07 PM
I'm glad that you are open. But I must sign off now, as I must attend to some urgent business. Hope to catch up later.
Yes, its well thought out and articulated observartion like Congress pensioners as raj bavan occupant and can the maharashtra govener say the same thing about Bangalore.
Population statistics show that Bangalore has only 38% Kannadigas. WE dont create a big deal out of this.. I guess its time for Mr. Thackerey to retire from active writing as well..
Everyone misses the grand point, yes Mumbai cannot stop anyone from coming here and earning a livelihood. But have you guys ever wonder why there is slums all over, so much filth and poor infrastructure compared to other metropolitan cities in India. Do you enjoy living amidst this pathetic conditions. How will we counter and upgrade the facilities if there are millions coming to Mumbai everyday. Because of the steady influx the old inhabitants Mumbai cannot enjoy the benefit and amenities of having a comfortable lifestyle. No wonder Mumbai is called as Slumbay and it is a dirtiest city in the world. What answer do you have to the above. Would you allow any other cities like Patna,Bhopal,Bengaluru,Chandigarh to degrade like this!!
Re: missing the point
by Ravi krishnan on Mar 06, 2010 12:55 PM
Dear manhoos, if not for the slums mumbai would have already choked to death. It is in these slums that 98% of waste is being recycled. If they do not work for just 3 days Mumbai come to a halt! Secondly population is growing immensely hence land is shrinking. For e.g. I am in a much bigger job than my father ever was, but I cannot live the peaceful life that he lived. Most of all, Maharashtrians are good musicians, cricketers, singers and thats all. They have negligible contrtibution in making Mumbai the financial capital of India. Even the great sachin decided not to marry a maharashtrian. He married a gujrati!
Re: missing the point
by iam indian on Mar 06, 2010 12:43 PM
Liberal media -hindi and english never highligts these core issues...jst want to incrase trps by reporting one sided news and all liberals seculars and "indians" blindly follow the biased media which is always trying to dominate maharashtra
Re: Re: Re: missing the point
by iam indian on Mar 06, 2010 12:53 PM
paki flag is waved in kashmir tricolor is burned . Poeple driven out frm assam , kashmir by these illegals hve these channels reported this? common poeple donot support violence. but how does this negate the core issues?????
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: missing the point
by iam indian on Mar 06, 2010 12:58 PM
u hve biased views bcause of these channels which reports only one side
Article 19 -constitution of INDIA
(5) Nothing in 5[sub-clauses (d) and (e)] of the said clause shall affect the operation of any existing law in so far as it imposes, or prevent the State from making any law imposing, reasonable restrictions on the exercise of any of the rights conferred by the said sub-clauses either in the interests of the general public or for the protection of the interests of any Scheduled Tribe.
Re: missing the point
by vikas sethi on Mar 06, 2010 12:46 PM
It is the BMC's duty to take care of slums and problems related to the dwelling in Mumbai.
After all BMC has been ruled by Shiv Sena since last so may years.
Have the roads been done, or the waste disposal up to the mark? SS has filled its coffers and done precious little for the city.
Btw the people who influx also pay taxes and they are denied their right.
If there is opportunity to earn, people will come there. It is human tendency. The problems you enumerate are the shortcomings of BMC. If you stop N Indians, the same space will be occupied by Maharashtrians from internal parts of Maharashtra. Then will you start targetting fellow Maharashtrians???
Re: Re: missing the point
by iam indian on Mar 06, 2010 12:55 PM
this does not mean all shud support mass influx wht will happen if 50 lacs frm other states migrate to patna or kanpur or kolkata????
Re: Re: missing the point
by Mohinibartake on Mar 06, 2010 12:56 PM
If you notice most of the migrant dwell in slums hence the increase. They do not pay any taxes rather rob away the benefits due to a tax payer!!
BT has not told anything wrong. In a bus there is capacity of maximum people can travel. The same situation applies to Boat, Aeroplane, train, etc. Being indian if any extra people is allowed to travel in these vehicles, there will be catastrophe ie it will invite accidents and everybody's life will be in trouble. two days back in UP 10000 people assembled infront of a ashram and invited stampede and so many lost their life. this is applicable to places also. being indian if all 120 crores people come and settle in mumbai what will be the situation of mumbai. Hence BT is correct. Now itself the city is overflowing with people. SO thereshould be some mechanism to control the flow of extra population to mumbai. Instead of scolding BT, pls study the situation and then bring remedies.
Re: BT
by vikas sethi on Mar 06, 2010 12:36 PM
It is the BMC's duty to take care of slums and problems related to the dwelling in Mumbai. After all BMC has been ruled by Shiv Sena since last so may years.
Have the roads been done, or the waste disposal up to the mark? SS has filled its coffers and done precious little for the city.
Btw the people who influx also pay taxes and they are denied their right.
If there is opportunity to earn, people will come there. It is human tendency. The problems you enumerate are the shortcomings of BMC. If you stop N Indians, the same space will be occupied by Maharashtrians from internal parts of Maharashtra. Then will you start targetting fellow Maharashtrians???
Re: Re: BT
by Mohinibartake on Mar 06, 2010 12:48 PM
If you notice most of the migrant dwell in slums hence the increase. They do not pay any taxes rather rob away the benefits due to a tax payer!!
Re: BT
by Haramohan Roy on Mar 06, 2010 12:36 PM
Forget the bus, we are not discussing bus. We are discussing the constitutional rights of the Indians to live in India and in Indian cities.
If you want to discuss bus, please go to an automobile shop!
Re: Re: BT
by milind chougule on Mar 06, 2010 12:45 PM
Roy, which constitutional rights of the indians are you talking about? The constitution has clearly said that anyone can move anywhere in India, however, if you there, you have to respect local culture, local languge of the land and if some one tries to impose their own culture, wherein he is migrated, we have one more law which says that peoples who are migrated in other states and trying to impose their culture, language instead of respecting local culture, language, peoples have right to register a FIR and results are ends up with even calling such persons as Anti-nation or Desh-drohi". First read constitution and then teach others. What harakshan has told is absoulately right and with the base of constitution. One simple ex. give me your address and allow me to stay in your home. Let us what extent you would agree to this? If you do not agree then you are anti-national.
Re: Re: Re: BT
by vikas sethi on Mar 06, 2010 12:58 PM
Milind, which culture in Maharashtra was infringed? Could you kindly explain?
Mumbai is not the only Indian city that has been a magnet for outsiders in search of economic opportunities and the chance to make a better future for themselves. The demographic profile of most of our metropolitan cities has altered dramatically with time. In the wake of Partition, the old residents of Delhi found themselves outnumbered by the refugees from West Punjab. The Punjabi migrants, in turn, have had to make way for newcomers from UP and Bihar who today dominate East Delhi. In the municipal limits of Kolkata there are more Biharis and bhaiyas from eastern UP than Bengalis. Yet, in no other city has the majority community mounted such a shrill campaign to keep out non-locals.
When you look at the bastion of linguistic chauvinism – Tamil Nadu – you will realize that people today speak in English to communicate with so called outsiders and Tamil is used only in one –on – one conversation with fellow Tamilians. Same is the case in Kerala as well as Karnataka. Maharashtra is no different. So why this attempt now to alter the peace and harmony for political gains and one upmanship? Maharashtra has a culture of peace and harmony. All sign boards have always been in English. Further, the Marathi and Hindi language is in devnagari script which can be followed by both unlike in South India where the local script is totally different – which we commonly refer to as the ‘Jalebi language’. Hence you
Re: Re: Re: Re: BT
by vikas sethi on Mar 06, 2010 01:00 PM
Hence you have signboards in their local script. You need to answer whether Maharashtra should progress further or regress. All local courts work in Marathi. Corporation, police etc all work in Marathi as in allother states, local language gets preference.
Comments for and against the topic can always be made. I am sure if one rises above the emotions, he will realise the futility of such arguments and the political divisive nature of the mails that take us to our base levels rather than raise the quality.
It is very easy to divide and very difficult to build. As matured, educated and progressive people we must refrain from falling prey to such pettiness.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BT
by milind chougule on Mar 06, 2010 01:12 PM
Vikas, I am not denying anything here. But, i would strongly suggest you to comment on SHIVSENA, But if you want to comment on Marathi Manoos, think at least 1000 times. Maharashtirans also have sacrified their lives for the independence of India and their contribution was as equally as Punjabi's or bengalis.I do not have any issues if you comment on SS, if you comment on Marathi manoos, I would not keep quiet and would react promptly.
Re: Re: Re: BT
by Haramohan Roy on Mar 06, 2010 12:48 PM
Milind, in which part of the constitution is it written that it is criminal to spread culture of one part of India in another part of India?
Moreover, my home is my home, and I am the owner of my home. But who told you that this mad Thackeray or any Marathi is the owner of Mumbai?
Re: Re: Re: Re: BT
by milind chougule on Mar 06, 2010 12:58 PM
Roy, constitution clearly indicates, each person have the right to protect their culture, language. Protecting language and culture are not registered as criminal cases.
Secondly, tell me who told yo that Marathis say that Marathis are the owner of Mumbai? Why do you believe blindly on the news published by hindi and english news channels? this news channels are entirely controlled by Hindi speaking peoples.If you want to fact of the matter, i would strongly suggest you to watch LIVE on marathi news channel which is said by Thakrey? Do not belive blindly. This is dangerous to you and me as well.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BT
by Haramohan Roy on Mar 06, 2010 01:04 PM
But you said that it is a crime to promote the culture of one part of India in another part of India. Where is it written in our constitution? Similarly, you compared my home to your Maharashtra, didn't you? So I said that my home is my home and I own it, but Maharashtra or Mumbai is not owned by anyone. Clear?
Re: Re: Re: Re: BT
by milind chougule on Mar 06, 2010 01:06 PM
Marathi peoples still respect those people who have contributed to the growth of Mumbai. Can you show any cases wherein Marathi are fighting with Gujrati's or Parshis, You wont. The reason behind is that you will find Gujrati's, Marwari's and parsis even in small villages of Maharashtra. They respect local language, local culture and even you would also notice that in most of gujrati, marwari and parsis family's settled in Pune, Kolhapur, Nagpur, Sangli - Marathi is mostly spoken in their house too. I belong to Jain family and am hindi speaking but have migrated from MP, but i treat myself as Marathi Manoos beacuse Maharashtra allowed me to stay here, earn and they never tried to impose their culture, languge on me. But we learned to grow with marathi culture and with Marathi language. But what about others from UP and Bihar? They must be called Anti-national or desh-drohi who are trying to impose their culture in Maharashtra.
Re: Re: BT
by harakshan on Mar 06, 2010 12:40 PM
dear it is not bus it is capacity. being an indian as per constitution are u allowed to travel in bus boat or aeroplanes etc. no not allowed. it is applicable to cities also as excess load will invite trouble. go and try to board a flight. they will throw u out. by telling constitution is there any use?
Re: Re: Re: BT
by vikas sethi on Mar 06, 2010 12:52 PM
Why are only workers targeted? Why isn't an industrialist who comes from N India targeted? Is he not also infringing upon the city's resources?
The paradox is you want to encourage industrialisation but do not want workers to come in. It is impossible. Hence Tata's Nano plant and Ambani's units are being relocated to Gujrat. Most of the other induastries are relocating to Vapi in Gujrat.
The effect of this political game is the loss for Maharashtrians themselves. Maharashtra was No 1 ranked a few years back and today it is continuously slipping behind Gujrat, AP, Tamil nadu.
