Re: Aryans must perish from Indian soil
by Srinivasan natesan on Jun 27, 2010 11:43 PM
Tamil Nadu was always ahead in Industrialization and urbanization. You will see a small town after reaching around 20 Kilometers. But this is not a new phenomenon, but has been the case always. The state was always ahead in industrialization among the ones like Maharashtra and Gujarat. The state was well established during Congress government, and industry was led by none other than Venkatraman, a known Brahmin. Secondly, if Maharashtra did well, it does not mean that Brahmins ran away from that state. So is the case with Gujarat. Language has got nothing to do with this.
Re: Aryans must perish from Indian soil
by ganapathi on Jun 28, 2010 04:23 PM
Aryan invasion is a false and fabricated theory floated by Maccaulay to divide and rule Hindus.
World classical tamil conference is a shameful family show of Karunanidhi where the tamil language takes a back seat and only self praise of DMK's extended family members comes to the front. What a waste of time & money.
There are 17,000 castes aka cults in India. And they hate each other. You can lobby aka bribe members of parliament to carve out out an independent nation to your caste community.
The biggest living eveidence is that from time immemorial a Tamil population has been living in the Norht East and until very recently the entire North west coast of Sri Lanka. As this population had been isolated for thousands of years, Many stil speak an archaic form of Tamil, only now being corrupted by Televisoin Tamil cinema and outside contact and large scale forcible SInhalisation and colonisation. So as per many peoples argument if a language called proto Dravidian existed and Kannada, Telugu and Tamil directly descended from this common proto Dravidian. With modern Tamil retaining almost 80 t0 90% of the proto Dravidian element. This largely islolated Dravidian population from North East Sri Lanka should not have been speaking Tamil but some sort of a language/dialect derived from Proto Dravidian . However they did not. They speak dialects of Tamil close to old classical Tamil. Recently much to the chargin and annoyance of the SInhalese government Tamil Brahmi scripts datign 230BC have been found in the deep south of Sri Lanka in the SInhalese heartland, proving the existence of Tamil and not an imagined Protp Dravidian in the island from time immemorial. If there was a Proto Dravidian it definitely would have been old Tamil, as proven by an ancient Tamil speaking people in Sri Lanka.
Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by marathi marathi on Jun 28, 2010 01:05 AM
FRIEND, when question of National Language arises, I always said, INDIA CANNOT HAVE SINGLE NATIONAL LANGUAGE, as it has classical like Tamil Sanskrit etc. I accept that some 20 % words of Sanskrit may have Dravidian origin (more got from ANDHRA). But uniqueness lies in that Sanskrit never discarded words from other languages. BUT TAMIL SCHOLARS HAVE ALLERGY OF SANSKRIT WORDS, JUST AS MUSLIMS RETARDED THEM IN MASJIDS. Many still believe in Aryan Invasion Theory, WHICH IS PROVED AS FALSE. WHY poet BHARATIDASAN made poems of only Dravidian land and not of India, unlike great poet Bharati?
Re: Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by Dasapraksh on Jun 28, 2010 04:41 AM
He.. he India doesnot have one National Language . There are 23 National Languages . English and Hindi are only official languages . See the artcle 345
Re: Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Jun 28, 2010 02:04 AM
Frim Andhra? Againtrying ot deny the Tamil heritage. When did Telugu originate and when did Sanskrit and Tamil originate. You poeple are the biggest anti Indians bararcking for a languge that is definetely of Central Asian origin and trying your best to deny the true heritage antiquity and richness of Tamil Indias most ancient and classical language, It is you people who are anti Indian. eBXZ
Re: Re: Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by marathi marathi on Jun 28, 2010 03:04 AM
Even before Modern Telugu was developed, Andhra gave Sanskrit scholars. Satvahana Kings, used Maharashtra Prakrit (Mother of Marathi), in 1st Century, they were from Andhra. Telugu, Kannada numbers match a lot with Tamil. But Sinhalese numbers match more with Sanskrit. ARABIC DOES NOT SHOW MUCH SIMILARITY with Sanskrit, but Telugu, language of Cambodia, Old Thailand do show. Thus, I believe Sanskrit is Indian.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Jun 28, 2010 03:10 PM
Bull shit You just want to deny Tamils greatness and antiquity and will go to any steps to do this with false theories. You are an anti Indian trying to deny the greatness and antiquity of a pure Indian languge and a classical language.Qho cares wheter Andhara had Sankskirt or Chinese or scholars who spoke mumbo Jumbo . What has that got to with the dact that Telugu is a dervative of ild Tamils, that you badly want to call by another name proto Dravidian. So what happened before Telugu developed the local population were deaf and dumb were they.
Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by Veja Biral on Jun 27, 2010 10:02 PM
Sorry mate, don't agree with your argument. I think, Tamil speaking ppl in Sri Lanka migrated from main land only after proto dravidian became ancient Tamil, hence you don't find any proto dravidian reference in Sri Lanka. Luckily, Tamil is an ancint language which is still alive, but Sanskrit is much more scientific and have plenty of rich literatures. Moreover, all our Hindu religious text and rituals in Sanskrit, so govt of India should promote Sanskrit which will become a great bonding among hindus in different states of India. Promoting Sankrit will surely help in better national integratity.
Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by Veja Biral on Jun 27, 2010 10:31 PM
what is abusive in previous message? why it is being reported? this again shows narrow mindedness among Tamilians. We are proud to claim Tamil as one of the great indian languages, but you ppl feel that is the best.
Re: Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Jun 28, 2010 02:15 AM
You are the narrow minded person and not the Tamils. You say that yo wnat ot accept that Tamil is one of India's greatest languages but in reality you do not. You really canot accept its true antiquity and greatness and always want Sanksrit a lauguage that came from Central Asia to surpass it. You caanot bear to her the reality that Sanksrit borrwed many Dravidian words( Tamil) and borrowed teh entire Dravidian ( Tamil) grammer lexicon and syntax. ) Why because it offends your notion that Sankskrit is superior to Tamil. Now Tamil here has run down Sankrit or another language, but have only stated the truth and you Hinduvatha people cannot bear hear this cloak this under Indian paatritism. Let me tell you stating the truth about Tamil;s antiquity and greatness is not decryin gany other language, So cannot understand why people like you feel offended and feel insecre witht the truth being told . Trying to deny Tamil the language that is truly Indian its greatness and antuquity is anti Indian not barracking for a language that originated in the steppes of Central Asia. Yo uare the anti Indians who still trying to deny a truly indigenous Indian language its greatness whilst promoting and baracking for a Central Asian language. Your languages cannot live without Sanskrit but Tamil is the only major Indian language that can stil shed the Sankskrit origin words with in and stil be rich and great and it irks most of you. so when the truth is told its anti Indian for you.
Re: Re: Re: Proto Dravidian/Dravidian Is old Tamil
by Parameswaran on Jun 28, 2010 09:59 AM
The other name for DMK political conference is Tamil classical language conference.
Just look at the invitees and how they spoke. They wasted more time on eulogising thatha kalaignar than on the language.
There was no Subramania Bharathi, No Alwars , No nainmars and note even Abdul Kalam.. In other states where such conferences are coducted by sahitya academy and the center stage is taken over by language research scholars and Gyanpeeth award winners. I would have expected Akilan or Jayakanthan (Both Gyanpeet award winners) to chair the conference and there should be seminars on each and every aspect of the language like Religion,Rationalism,Computer and communications, internet etc. All the seminars which were held in coimbatore was only used for hyping the thatha kalaignar instead of focusing on the title subject. It is good that stalwarts of tamil literature did not participate in the conference to save thier respect and prestige.
I still remember a world kannada conference where current law minister Veerappa Moily came and presented a paper on usage of Kannada in Legal system as an ordirary member and sat through all the other discussions , but the center stage was always taken over by the learned scholars in Kannada literature and galaxy of gyan peet award winners like Girish Karnad, UR Anantha Moorthy etc. The tamasha of rotten politicians taking center stage of a literary conference happens only in Tamilnadu..We should not support such events
Re: Aryans must perish from Indian soil
by Pheonix on Jun 27, 2010 08:19 PM
TN has developed only with outside capital and enterprise,look at all the tradional TN cos,whether it is SPIC.TVS,Amalgamations group or murugappa group they were not able to compete with liberalisation of economy
Re: Aryans must perish from Indian soil
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Jun 27, 2010 07:09 PM
Tamil Nadu is still to home to around 3 to 4 million Brahmins. After Up I think the largest amount of Brahmins are found in Tamil Nadu. Not all Tamil Brahmins are anti Tamil most are pro Tamil. However granted many of the Tamils who work against Tamil interestes do have a Brahmin /Chetti origin.
Re: Re: Aryans must perish from Indian soil
by pkr ramesh on Jun 27, 2010 08:22 PM
What exactly you mean by chetti/brahmin nexus working against Tamil Mr Sethukavalr?
Re: These Guys are Separatist!!!
by R Rane on Jun 27, 2010 05:05 PM
l over the whites. How ironical. Infact one incidence, I remember, when I was in Chennai, a colleague had commented that all states should be freed from India and Tamil Nadu ( and other states) should be independently ruled but only the defense should be shared!!! How shameful…I dont blame him…this is what a rotten political system of Dravidian propogada can do to a educated but foolish person. He forgot one major point..The majority of defense personnels are Sardars..North Indians. Btw, I dont consider myself a ‘North Indian’ or a ‘South Indian’, because they are very sick and humiliating terminology.
Re: Re: These Guys are Separatist!!!
by satyarthi on Jun 27, 2010 05:07 PM
I disagree with your one sided picture. I have interacted with many Tamilians and never found such arrogance narrated by R_Rane.
Re: Re: Re: These Guys are Separatist!!!
by R Rane on Jun 27, 2010 05:31 PM
you might disagree on all the points I made. but the fact remains a fact. Tamils are S* E * P * A * R* T* I* S*T
Re: Re: Re: Re: These Guys are Separatist!!!
by Pranav B on Jun 29, 2010 12:30 AM
Poda loosu. A common man on the street do not care. It is a perception. Tamils just as patriotic as any other Indian. A few f0ools like you have the negative mindset.
Re: Re: These Guys are Separatist!!!
by pak detector on Jun 27, 2010 05:18 PM
Sardars make 8% of the army. Those Pakis kill each other with Sardars in Pakistan. LOLLLLLLL You are a brilliant lier. Sardars are only 8% in the army
Re: These Guys are Separatist!!!
by pak detector on Jun 27, 2010 05:17 PM
Why do we need to talk in Hindi, when we can speak in the world language English. Hindi is a foreign language to India, like Sanskrit. It's not from the Dravidian language family. It orignally came from somewhere in Europe. Scholars are not sure where exactly in Western countries.
"Many of these words can be traced to the time of the Saraswati-Sindhu civilisation which produced these inscriptions in a unique pictorial writing system. It should be noted that over 80 percent of the archaeological sites of the civilisation are on the banks of the Vedic river Saraswati and the people living there today are likely to be descendants of the cultural continuum from 2,000 BC." Is this not a statement that has little basis in facts? Now where does the writer think the Saraswati river was where he says 80% of the archeological sites are found. Last itme I checked the Saraswati was a mythical river.
Re: Saraswati
by commie basher on Jun 28, 2010 05:55 PM
It was thought to be mythical. But Satellite images show course of old river where 80% Harappan cities were dug out!
It's stated by Japanese renowned Linguist Susumo Ohno . See it yourself in the site Japantimes . If you people consider Tamils are also Indians, all Indians should be proud of this . But the Truth is Indians will be making fun of this along with some 'Iruveda' tamils
Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by R Rane on Jun 27, 2010 05:06 PM
I remember, when I was in Chennai, a colleague had commented that all states should be freed from India and Tamil Nadu ( and other states) should be independently ruled but only the defense should be shared!!! How shameful…I dont blame him…this is what a rotten political system of Dravidian propogada can do to a educated but foolish person. He forgot one major point..The majority of defense personnels are Sardars..North Indians. Btw, I dont consider myself a ‘North Indian’ or a ‘South Indian’, because they are very sick and humiliating terminology.
Re: Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by pak detector on Jun 27, 2010 05:10 PM
Sardars make 8% of the army... seeing their proximity to our enemies....... WOww......... It's such Pakis like you, who won't let India grow...
Re: Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by rasputin on Jun 28, 2010 10:38 AM
most of the NIs are in barracks. See who are at conflict zones. see the percentage of`em
Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by R Rane on Jun 27, 2010 05:09 PM
You guys are the most arrogant spcies in the world. for your only TN and Tamil matters rest everything is damn for you. even a incident like 26/11 on mumbai does'nt mean anything to you..but you sympathise with srilankans tamils. so this show your separatist bheavior..where you discard Indians who were killed in attack but you sympathise with tamils who are not even Indians..so bottomline is..you guys suck ...
Re: Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Jun 27, 2010 07:01 PM
Di dyuo Northies sympathise with the Eelam Tamils? No you and your government were aidign and abettign their genocide. I can still rember nasty racist jpyful comments posted by many here when thousands of Tamils were being killed and many were locked up in Nazi concentration camps. This in their own land, for daring to ask for equal rights. 8rppd
Re: Re: Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by pkr ramesh on Jun 27, 2010 08:35 PM
Come on Mr Sethukavlar,our memory is not so short What were you doing when LTTE killed innocent tamil muslims in mosques in Batti,when PLOTE,EROS EPRLF members(all tamils) were being slaughtered,moderate tamil leaders were killed all over? When SL army goes on the offensive it is Genocide but when LTTE did it it was mercy killing is it? Yes I sympathise with ordinary Tamils in Jaffna and other places in SL. I have witnessed harassment of Tamils in Colombo it self during Premadasa time(Bambalpitya, Dehiwala,Fort areas)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Jun 28, 2010 06:32 PM
These so called Innnocent Tamil Muslims or Thullukans were stockpiling arms and ammunition with the help of the Sinhalese and were attacking Eelam Tamil Hindu villages to etcnicaly cleanse them. The real indigenous population of the North East are Eelam Tamil Hindus and the Christians. The Thullukans are migrants from India. Many came as refugees after the fall of Tippu Sultan and settled in the Tamil North East and in the Sinhalaese areas. The LTTE were no saints however they did not commit even 1% of the atrocities commited in the island. Many of the Plote Eros Eprlf all turned out ot be Tamil quislings an ddid and are stil doign grat damage to the Eelam Tamils. Any way there is no excuse for using the LTTE as an excue to commit genocide ethnic cleansing of The Eelam Tamisl in their own land fighting for their just rights.
Re: Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by BABA CHACHA on Jun 27, 2010 10:08 PM
Do you think Shiv Sena guys care about rest of India ? They are only interested in Mumbai, Maharashtra and Marathis.
Re: Re: Japanese influenced by Tamil
by Veja Biral on Jun 27, 2010 10:21 PM
Aam Tamilians are grown up in that way by the selfish narrow minded policians there. I had worked few yrs in B'lore and found similar attitude among Tamilians, but majority of them was quite good. Marathi ppl also have same narrow minded attitude, that is again a selfish political issue. I feel, all state capital should be adminstered by govt of India and ppl from all state should be encourage in work / settle there. This will surely improve nationality feeling all over India where are poorly lagging. A nation can not survive without a strong nationalism.
