At this rate you will find a million groups within every state that will claim unique identity and that say that they need a state of their own or belong to another state.
Sorry, but the reorganization of states cannot be done to satisfy every whim and fancy. If living in karnataka is more important than living as Indians then Kannadigas should go live in their own state. Similarly if living in Maharashtra is more important than living as fellow Indian, they should move.
If there is REAL discrimination, I can understand such claims but not otherwise.
Re: sorry
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 18, 2010 12:55 AM
there is real discrimination of my people in KA. You can see the attitude of commentators on here who say if we dont speak Kannadiga, we must leave KA. We have been living there for time immemorial, how can these kannadigas give us an ultimatum as if Tulu Nadu is Kannadiga land.
Re: Re: sorry
by J Chandrasekhar on Jul 18, 2010 04:01 AM
first of all tulu does not have a script of its own, the language does not have presence in m ore than one district. Why are you making issues like this?
Re: Re: Re: sorry
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 18, 2010 04:11 AM
Konkani doesn't have a script too. When was having a script essential for forming a state? Stop the discrimination and we will be okay but you kannadigas think that the whole state belong to you just because it was called karnataka. this hegemony must stop.
Re: Re: sorry
by ashish sinha on Jul 18, 2010 04:03 AM
why cant you stay put with it and not pay heed coz u r indian. Rabindranth Tagore once said, if theres no one with you walk alone.
Re: Re: Re: sorry
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 18, 2010 04:08 AM
So easy to say when you are not discriminated at the same rate as we are in KA. So will you say that to the Jews in WWII, ignore the killing and walk alone. Why don't we practice that against Pakistan? What you say is stupid.
Re: Re: Re: Re: sorry
by indian on Jul 18, 2010 11:40 AM
Im a mangalorean and i never felt dicsriminated... Liberal does not mean that u just run you mouth and put your imaginations on these pages ... DUDE Tulunaadu Wake up don't just create a rukus here. we never want a seperate state we are happy with the karnataka administration. i f you would like to go out you can anytime. cause thats not going to effect us. Dumb ppl like u create hatred and i more over feel that u Politically paid to create these kinda neusense. Get a Life, Dont just be dead and just end up doing what others say !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: sorry
by Sandeep Acharya on Jul 18, 2010 11:55 PM
me too a Mangalorean. As far as statistics goes, Mangalore & Udupi are districts are one of the most forward districts of Karnataka. We never felt discriminated.
Why we should be in Karnataka when we dont know their Kannada language . Nor our culture is like those Kanadigas. Our Kuldevatas are in Goa, Maharashtra.. Our relatives are in MH .. Our forefathers were in MH.. Then why KARWAR should NOT be part of Maharashtra ?
Re: Karwar - Part of Maharashtra.
by Kalyan Ram on Jul 18, 2010 10:18 AM
Let us all learn from the great ruler of south India in middle ages 'Shri Krishna Deva Raya' a tulu by birth but eulogised telugu as 'DESHA BHASHALANDU TELUGU LESSA' (Telugu is the best among all the languages)He has patronized all laguages, Telugu,kannada,Tamil,tulu, etc. Let us emulate the great king and live like brothers. Telugu is my mother tongue, but tamil,kannada,tulu,marathi,konkani,hindi and urdu all are mine, my wonderful indian laguages. There is no point at this juncture to change the geographical boundries of the states. it creates more problems than solving anything.Telunadu,Telangana,vidharbha, vindhyapradesha are all the ideas of political unemployees
Re: Re: Karwar - Part of Maharashtra.
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 18, 2010 12:00 AM
We have migrated agreed. and going back is also agreed .. But alongwith our place where we are staying... Do you agree ?
Re: Re: Re: Karwar - Part of Maharashtra.
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 18, 2010 12:02 AM
OK. agreed, take your roof, bricks along with you! nice having you. go back ur roots. cheerz
Re: Re: Re: Re: Karwar - Part of Maharashtra.
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 18, 2010 12:03 AM
Thank you... Let this day come fast when your kanadi goons will also feel that they have simply or unnecessarily harassed us for so many years.
Re: Re: Re: Karwar - Part of Maharashtra.
by rmz on Jul 18, 2010 12:05 AM
@karwari rohit..Dude...grow up!! how old are you? dont show ur sexual frustrations here in public forums!! do some thing constructive...dont build so much of hatred in you...u r not going to live peacefully at all..
Re: Re: cyber bullying
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 18, 2010 12:00 AM
Rediff please note that we do wish that Karwar should be part of MH and not of these Kanadi goons.
Re: Re: cyber bullying
by Kalyan Ram on Jul 18, 2010 10:22 AM
Telugu tetha, Kannada kasthuri, both of them are excellent languages of south india, sharing same script,history and culture. Tulu,konkani,marathi and all other Indian languages are mine, I love them. Please be broad minded and emulate the tulu son the great sri krishna deva raya and live like brothers
Re: Re: cyber bullying
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 18, 2010 12:02 AM
i hereby grant Mr. Tulu Nadu, a separate autonomous state to him and his people. enjoy. celebrate.!
Re: Re: Re: Re: cyber bullying
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 18, 2010 12:04 AM
yawn.. ok, your wish accepted. going to sleep now.. have nice time spamming.. really fun timepasss. cheerz.. long ling internet forums.. long live discussions. no hard feelings.
where vl this end. if maha thinks of some border areas of karnatak like belgaon to b with them, then there r other border areas like solapur etc. with them of telugu speaking.
there is no end to such fight. then every region vl fight for some or the other issues.
Re: whats the purpose???
by Vijayan Malliyoor on Jul 18, 2010 08:15 AM
Y r right! Fortunately the Indian states do not have their own army(notwithstanding the numerous 'sena')! Otherwise we will have to witness Ma'rastra fighting with K'ka and K'ka with Kerala, and Kerala in tern with K'ka and Tamilnadu and the harassed people of Tamilnadu and Kerala fleeing to Sri Lanka as refugees!
Re: Re: Free Tulu Nadu
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 17, 2010 11:53 PM
I have nothing to do with Belgaum. So you can keep it but the way your people treat us does highlight how badly you treat the Marathis there.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Free Tulu Nadu
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 17, 2010 11:55 PM
at least Marathis have another state that will stand up for them. We are at the mercy of these Hitlers called kannadigas.
Re: Re: Free Tulu Nadu
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:53 PM
We will also see how Belgaum will not go to MH... Belgaum is of MH and not of Kannadigas..
Re: Re: Re: Free Tulu Nadu
by cva on Jul 18, 2010 07:23 AM
We want mulund, which is a big suburb of mumbai to be a part of Tamilnadu because it is overwhelmingly Tamil.We know it is quite far from TN so TN will have an embassy there. Also Mohd Ali Road should belong to Pakistan. They celebrate Paki victories in general and are culturally similar to Pakistan.
Also, In future, if a flight has people belonging predominantly to one state, that flight will be diverted to the capital of those people. We will not tolerate any other linguistic group telling us what to do and we will be very intolerant of anyone who doesnt speak our language and we wont spend our time and energy in talking to other bigoted people because we are too small minded to bother about making ourselves and other rise above their petty bigotry
Shiv sena-ites, MNSites have lost the case here. Now they are posting lies under usernames like tulu nadu, northie, karwari etc. to mislead rediff users. such is their level.
Re: bullying on rediff
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:49 PM
Kesari.. Why are you getting so offended ? You Kannadigas are always like that.. Pretending that you are brave and when the time comes, you put your tail between both your legs very quickly. Northi, tulunadu and I am Karwari Rohit are three different identity and not one.. Pl. take a note of the same.
Re: Re: bullying on rediff
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 17, 2010 11:54 PM
to add to what you are saying, we are also arguing for very different things. You want free Belgaum. I want free Tulu Nadu and Northie is saying no one should be discriminated. This Kesari can't argue .
Costal Karnataka has more similaraties with Maharashtra and Goa, they majority of people speak Konkani and Tulu. They were forcefully merged in Karnataka. Karwar, Mangalore, Udpi Dakshin Kanada all are nor Kanada speaking places.
Tulus and Konkanis are Not Kanadagigaas.
We are different. Dont count us as Kanadaigaas.
In Costal Karnataka Tulu speakers (67.27%) outnumber Kannada speakers (20.62%).
Re: Make Karwar Mangalore and Costal Karnataka separate State
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 17, 2010 11:40 PM
Whoever says we are Kannadigas are insulting us. We are not Kannadigas. Our language is different. We need a separate state instead of living under the hegemony of the Kannadigas.
Re: Make Karwar Mangalore and Costal Karnataka separate State
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:38 PM
Karwar is totally Konkani speaking place. Our Kuldevata is in Goa.. Our tradition and culture are like MH.. Then why we should be forced to be Kannadiga ? We HATE Karnataka.. We Love Maharashtra.
Re: Re: Make Karwar Mangalore and Costal Karnataka separate State
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 11:52 PM
if your kuldevata is in goa, it means u migrated to here. go back
Re: Make Karwar Mangalore and Costal Karnataka separate State
by sri on Jul 18, 2010 12:06 AM
"We are different. Dont count us as Kanadaigaas."
At this rate you will find a million groups within every state that will claim unique identity and that say that they need a state of their own or belong to another state.
Sorry, but the reorganization of states cannot be done to satisfy every whim and fancy. If living in karnataka is more important than living as Indians then Kannadigas should go live in their own state. Similarly if living in Maharashtra is more important than living as fellow Indian, they should move.
If there is REAL discrimination, I can understand such claims but not otherwise.
Re: Make Karwar Mangalore and Costal Karnataka separate State
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 11:39 PM
you are a hatebreeder. coastal karnataka has similarity to Kerala not MH. You are exposed to be a MH-ite under cover.
Re: Re: Make Karwar Mangalore and Costal Karnataka separate State
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 17, 2010 11:40 PM
Exactly, we are nothing like Kannadigas and should not be part o KA. Thank you for agreeing with me. Your people have treated us bad for long enough.
Re: Re: Re: Make Karwar Mangalore and Costal Karnataka separate S
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 11:43 PM
you are exposed. Tulu Nadu == karwari == northie.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Make Karwar Mangalore and Costal Karnataka se
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 11:48 PM
Re: Ms. Sumana by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:32 PM northie... We understand your point.. But dont ever say that Belgaum is part of Karnataka.. Metaculiously and by malpractice and by corrupt means Belgaum,Karwar, Nipani, Khanapur was grabbed by Kanadi Government .. But till date they could NOT win the heart of we people staying in these disputed place. We are MAHARASHTRIANS and NOT KARNATAKIS... We hate Karnataka and we Love Maharashtra. Never, ever say that we people of disputed place are of Karnataka.. We are Bhumiputra no doubt.. but this Bhoomi is of Maharashtra... JAI MAHARASHTRA.
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& nbsp; Re: Re: Ms. Sumana by northie on Jul 17, 2010 11:34 PM My blood boils that Kannadigas say the Marathis must leave. Everyone knows it was given to KA for other reasons. No one doubts that it is a historically a Marathi place. Just because it was given to KA (rightly or wrongly) doesn't mean that Marathis should go back to MH as some kannadigas are suggesting. They are causing the disintegration of india and it is because of such attitude (that KA is for Kannadigas only and not for the people who are bhoomiputras), that Tulus and Marathis want to break free. Who wants to be discriminated by anyone. Kannadigas need to change their attitude.
Just because Begaum is in Karnataka does not mean those Marathis do not belong to Karnataka. Remember what GOI said. The majority have always been historically Marathi in Belgaum but it was given to MH for other reasons. So these people are not migrants but Bhumiputras of Belgaum. Just because it is now part of KA does not mean they have to leave KA. KA is their state, not MH and no Kannada can ask them to leave.
Re: Ms. Sumana
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 17, 2010 11:32 PM
This is what happens to us all our lives. They think only kannadigas should be part of karnataka even though we have been living in our region from time immemorial. Tulu Nadu should be a separate state. This fight between MH and KA shows how kannadigas treat other people in that state, saying that the state is for kannadigas only. All these areas are not historically Kannada speaking. We don't mind being part of KA as long as they understand the majority may be Kannadigas but it is not a pure Kannadiga state and they cannot tell us or the Marathis to leave. If they can't accept that, we want our own Tulu Nadu. WE have been treated bad for the last 50 years.
Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by sumana on Jul 17, 2010 11:40 PM
look mr tulunadu, if yur so proud of yur lang, who has stopped u to enrich the lang.merely blaming kannadigas for everything without u doing any good for yur lang is utter foolishness.we appreciate the people from DK for their immense contribution in all the fields.so enrich tulu and preserve the unique culture.
Re: Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by Tulu Nadu on Jul 17, 2010 11:45 PM
Sumana - we enrich our language everyday. But can you ask the Jews who were being killed by Hitler to be proud of their religion and enrich their religion only. Can you ignore their suffering under Germany. Similarly you are ignoring our suffering under KA and the hegemonistic ways of the Kannadigas. Kannadigas are like Hitler only.
Re: Ms. Sumana
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:32 PM
northie... We understand your point.. But dont ever say that Belgaum is part of Karnataka.. Metaculiously and by malpractice and by corrupt means Belgaum,Karwar, Nipani, Khanapur was grabbed by Kanadi Government .. But till date they could NOT win the heart of we people staying in these disputed place. We are MAHARASHTRIANS and NOT KARNATAKIS... We hate Karnataka and we Love Maharashtra. Never, ever say that we people of disputed place are of Karnataka.. We are Bhumiputra no doubt.. but this Bhoomi is of Maharashtra... JAI MAHARASHTRA.
Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by northie on Jul 17, 2010 11:34 PM
My blood boils that Kannadigas say the Marathis must leave. Everyone knows it was given to KA for other reasons. No one doubts that it is a historically a Marathi place. Just because it was given to KA (rightly or wrongly) doesn't mean that Marathis should go back to MH as some kannadigas are suggesting. They are causing the disintegration of india and it is because of such attitude (that KA is for Kannadigas only and not for the people who are bhoomiputras), that Tulus and Marathis want to break free. Who wants to be discriminated by anyone. Kannadigas need to change their attitude.
Re: Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 11:42 PM
in one post you write with name northie and in another you reply as karwari. India lives on "Satyameva jayate" slogan. Goons like you live on hate and lie
Re: Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 11:40 PM
nothie == karwari_rohit :D haha you are doing all this because you have lost the case.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:43 PM
Kannadiga.. where we lost the case ? We will fight till our last breathe.. We were brutually treated in all these years by your Kanadi Government. We were humiliated by Kanadi Govt because we dont know Kannada.. Why we should know Kannada ? In fact WE HATE KANNADA AND KARNATAKA..
Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by sumana on Jul 17, 2010 11:43 PM
Thats why go and protect maha from future attacks from porki terrorists.REMEMBER IT WAS A KARNATAKAN SANDEEP UNNIKRISHNAN WHO SACRIFICED HIS LIFE, NOT A MARATHI.
Re: Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:47 PM
And who were Salaskar, Tukaram Ombale, Ashok Kamte, Hemant Karkare? Were they your fdars?(Kannadigas)??? And Unnikrishnan was Malyali and not Karnataki... May be his parents were staying in Bangalore but they are Keralities.
Re: Ms. Sumana
by Aditya Kobra on Jul 17, 2010 11:46 PM
Costal Karnataka has more similaraties with Maharashtra and Goa, they majority of people speak Konkani and Tulu. They were forcefully merged in Karnataka. Karwar, Mangalore, Udpi Dakshin Kanada all are nor Kanada speaking places.
Tulus and Konkanis are Not Kanadagigaas.
We are different. Dont count us as Kanadaigaas.
In Costal Karnataka Tulu speakers (67.27%) outnumber Kannada speakers (20.62%).
Tulu and Konkani are not Kanadda.
Our traditions kuldaivats and worship rituals are more like Maharashtra and Goa.
Re: Re: Ms. Sumana
by sumana on Jul 17, 2010 11:55 PM
when there is attack from porkis next time,marathis,konkanis and tulus get together and fight them.best of luck for all of u. hope u all dont get ambushed like karkare, kamte and salaskar.
Karnataka Government bribed Meher Chand Mahajan who built a big bungalow in Chandigarh after annoucing this commission. From where he got that much of huge money ? Kanadi Government bribed crores of ruppees to Mahajan to make Belgaum, Karwar,Nipani, Khanapur as part of Karnataka. Kanadi Govt succeeded in getting the the above places but till date they could NOT win the heart of people staying in these disputed area. I am Karwari... but I am not Karnataki ... I am Maharashtra though staying in Karwar..
Re: I am Karwari but not Karnataki
by sumana on Jul 17, 2010 11:22 PM
GET LOST TO MAHARASHTRA. WHAT YUR DOING IN KARWAR.GO AND PROTECT YUR STATE FROM PAKI TERRORISTS INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME HERE.
Re: Re: I am Karwari but not Karnataki
by northie on Jul 17, 2010 11:27 PM
Just because Begaum is in Karnataka does not mean those Marathis do not belong to Karnataka. Remember what GOI said. The majority have always been historically Marathi in Belgaum but it was given to MH for other reasons. So these people are not migrants but Bhumiputras of Belgaum. Just because it is now part of KA does not mean they have to leave KA. KA is their state, not MH and no Kannada can ask them to leave.
Re: Re: I am Karwari but not Karnataki
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:23 PM
I am in Maharashtra..Kanadigas have snatched our place but they could not WIN the hearts of we Karwaris.. We are Maharashtrians and NOT Karnatakis..
If not language, what are the criteria for joining any single region to a state? It seems like the government is saying language is only one of the factor but is not mentioning what the other factors are? Is by saying this, government is saying that Belgaum should be with MH because it historically was with MH but because of say ease of administration, it put Belgaum with Karnataka? I feel like in this whole statement, central government is admitting that Belgaum has historically been with MH and was only given to KA for other reason (which they are not mention what they are). I would like to know what are the reasons other than language. I am neither Kannadiga or Marathi but the reasons for being with state or another should be given because it is historically important.
Re: What is the criteria
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 11:31 PM
historical documents, land agreements, gazetteers all suggest Belgaum was Kannada region in past. Since last century Marathi speakers dominate some parts near Belgaum and Belgaum city. 50% 60% majority makes weak case for MH.
Other factors to be considered along with language are ease of adminstration, geography, history.
Re: Re: What is the criteria
by northie on Jul 17, 2010 11:38 PM
What you are saying is wrong. The central government looked at historical data and agree it is a marathi area but was given to KA for ease of administration and to give an economic boost to KA. But now do you see some of yoru people are saying that Marathis must go back to MH? These Marathis are not part of MH. They are part of KA. Even if they ask for a separate state or country, they belong to that region. No one can ask them to go to MH. That region even if it is part of KA is not for Kannadigas to abuse it. Even GOI agrees that it has always been a Marathi area and was given to KA for other reasons. Tell your language people to stop saying that Marathis should go back to MH as if these Marathis were ever in MH.
Re: Re: What is the criteria
by Karwari Rohit on Jul 17, 2010 11:36 PM
Kannadiga.. Now I came to know that you are real Kannadiga otherwise no other can talk rubbish so confidentially than the illiterate Kanadiga. Can you give me some source to prove that Belgaum was Kannada region in the past ?
Re: Re: Re: What is the criteria
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 11:55 PM
i give u 1: Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency (Vol-1, Part-II, Book-III)
