Stay behind the Indian Army and CRPF, do not let any one point fingers at our security forces be it J&K chief minister or anyone. Take out a prominent leader of the opposition and violence will flareup and cooldown. No point in being defensive. Democracy and equal rights for these agitators will hurt the democracy of the rest of the nation so aggressive policing is the best way to tackle this in Kashmir.
Re: Softness of Manmohan is hurting us.
by Al Ringer on Jul 07, 2010 09:00 AM
It is not about Manmohan. We don't have yet a clear policy on how we deal with Kashmir. All parties have to share the blame.
Remember operation Parakram of deploying 1 million fighting forces on the border for 1 year at a cost of 40,000 crores? What did that achieve?
Thanks to Vajpayee and Advani and Fernandez for carefully spending that 40,000 crores.
Re: Re: Softness of Manmohan is hurting us.
by blue leaf on Jul 07, 2010 09:04 AM
Nothing to do with Operation Parakram..don't mix up things...just pull out a prominent opposition leader and remove him. Things will flare up, all people behind this violence will come in to the front and it will be easy for the security forces then to deal with them. Pakistan is too busy now so go on the offensive. We are never going to control pakistan or Kashmir being defensive.
Re: Re: Re: Softness of Manmohan is hurting us.
by blue leaf on Jul 07, 2010 09:09 AM
Question is who has that much love for this nation...are the political leaders ready to take decisions good for the nation but bad for them personally when they will be judged negatively in history? Is manmohan ready to take such decisions? Logic, human rights etc will not work in this situation...its fear and brutal force that will calm down...after that we can do the soothing measures.
Re: Re: Re: Softness of Manmohan is hurting us.
by Al Ringer on Jul 07, 2010 09:09 AM
This is what Israel does and it has not worked there and it will not work here.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Softness of Manmohan is hurting us.
by blue leaf on Jul 07, 2010 09:14 AM
Who said its not working in israel? There is still a nation known as Israel because of that approach. With out fear how are we going to bring the people behind into limelight. Every idiot behind this violence will have a personal agenda the moment they know the police are going to kill them in a illegal way...they will come out in the open leading the agitations.
Re: Re: Softness of Manmohan is hurting us.
by antoniopope on Jul 07, 2010 09:09 AM
al, this is not about VAJ or AD it is simply the curse of congi to divide and rule? now a shame to India is an ITALIAN CLEANER RULING you? some catolic like it as she is a fellow catolic with CHOCOLATE colour?
If we look around in past and in several other countries in world, we find that whenver muslim population gets more than 30-40% in any place or society, demand for sperate mulsim nation starts.When they are more than 50% ethnic cleansinf starts.kashmir is no expception.The solution lies in what Patel proposed.Relocate Hindus and muslims gradually so as to alter the demographic composition of Kashmir.Yoiu cant change religion and race based biases rgat are 2000 years old.It was Nehru who cointinued problem by unneccessarily intereferring in Kashmir issue claiming it to be his home place.Like Somnath temple other invaded places should have been resurrected quickly after independence.
Re: Muslim history points to pecurial phenomenon
by Al Ringer on Jul 07, 2010 08:51 AM
We should not mess with things guaranteed by the Constitution. It has to be done only by amending Article 370 of constitution if so desired by all political parties.
Government should stop overfeeding kashmir and waste huge amount of scarce resources.A permanent solution should be found by politicians by having a triparite talk with Kashmiris and Pakistan.Truth is bitter but several politicians,armymen and many kashmir bureaucrats are interested to promote and continue kashmir problem.It is proving very expensive in every way.It is foolish on part of both India and pakistan to remain involved in kashmir problem.
Re: Kashmiri muslims will never be loyal to Indian Union
by Al Ringer on Jul 07, 2010 08:40 AM
I agree. It is a waste of scarce resources for both India and Pakistan. Kashmir is the biggest victim (that includes our Pundits).
West should find a solution working with all three parties. Since the trust is at a very low level among the 3 parties involved it is almost impossible to resolve it regionally.
A border dispute like this requires one parties to be overwhelmingly powerful to dictate terms to the other. In this case both India and Pakistan have Nuclear weapons so there is no question of military solution. Both of them recognize that reality.
China would benefit by keeping the dispute alive. Pakistan is just foolish to continue the dispute in-spite of endangering its own existence. India is too egotistic to let Kashmir go. Poor Kashmiries are caught up in the middle.
We should let Police handle the situation. Calling Army for internal disturbances will only further alienate people.
Already we lost support of people for the most part, we should not lose any further. Once we lose trust of the people Kashmir will be just a real-estate not a state in the Indian Union.
All Kashmiri Pundits who have been displaced since 1989 must be reestablished back into their homes and farms, so that we maintain the integrity of demographics in J&K. Also, this will help restore faith in our system where we treat victims of all kinds with the same measure of justice. Right now Kashmiri pundits are dismayed as well as the Muslim populations.
Re: Tricky Situation
by antoniopope on Jul 07, 2010 09:12 AM
new Kashmir is created in NORTH EASTERN states with a counverted people? Too fast xian population is increasing with an aim to CREATE new Italy?
Various tribes, castes, religions and cultures were forced together to co-exist as a country and here is the result. There is no way this concept can succeed. There is no single thing that binds the population.
Re: India as a logical country is a terrible concept
by pragr pragr on Jul 07, 2010 08:25 AM
No caste, language or culture can bind a country together. History is replete with examples where there was violence and revolts in a completely homogeneous population. And on the same count, there are a number of countries which have a heterogeneous population and are still peaceful. Singapore is a good example of co-existence of Chinese, Indians and Malays. Even USA has a population with a high degree of cultural mix. Even if India is broken into different homogeneous pieces, those pieces would still be at unrest internally as there would be selfish people who would like to micro-divide people for their own gains. What is happening in Kashmir is not the aspiration of people as most of the time, people are swayed by the rhetoric of selfish leaders and do not know what is their best interests. And in Kashmir, it has much to do with the religious bigotry i.e. intolerance to other cultures, religions. Even if given independence, such people can never survive as a nation. They will become another Afghanistan.
Re: Re: India as a logical country is a terrible concept
by GLADIATOR on Jul 07, 2010 08:49 AM
He is a Pakistani cutlet, nothing of what u said will go into his blank head.
Re: India as a logical country is a terrible concept
by GLADIATOR on Jul 07, 2010 07:47 AM
To an outsider like you, it sounds like that, not us Indians for we are living as one and well too barring a few lumpen elements. With a ID like Corba Sub u are a real Cobra Take some drugs and go to sleep.
