Such a strategy was taken for granted by us school children over 33 years back.
Disheartening was when Vajpayee and Advani assented with no and mild retort when the Chinese sought a retraction when the coffin pedlar stated something like "China is our real enemy. Pakistan is provided for".
So glad to see an enlightened age when China actually evaluates and reports on a strategy.
One relief is the document taking overtones of policy propoganda. This biased perspective (of leaders and of leaders appointed as generals) is bound to lead to gross misjudgement. Thus the break free from such tightening cords shall lead to a decade back step as with its behemoth nebor to the north.
Depressing as obviously evident from enlightened blogs below - WHATEVER ELSE IT TAKES, WE DON'T HAVE THE LEADERSHIP (TEAM) TO SPEARHEAD A FITTING RESPONSE.
Re: Re: Depressing
by PREM KUMAR on Jan 07, 2010 05:55 PM
If we become part of greater china we will also be a progressive like china and they will change our dirty roads, polluted rivers, poverty stricken indians in to prosperous. Neither UPA nor NDA can prosper india. Can any body say with our corrupt politicians, police, army, navy, airforce, judiciary etc we could match with progressive china?
Re: Re: Depressing
by Sunit Kumar on Jan 07, 2010 05:08 PM
Xingen Sang, i will change my opinion as Tibet being not part of India, only because i see you on every forum with this request. I am not sure how many from India and Tibet really think that Tibet is part of India. It is definetly part of the Bharat Varsha, no doubt.
Any case i wish that your Tibet get's liberated, but it will be a long struggle and more importantly you cant miss chances. so far so good !!
Such a strategy was taken for granted by us school children over 33 years back.
Disheartening was when Vajpayee and Advani assented with no and mild retort when the Chinese sought a retraction when the coffin pedlar stated something like "China is our real enemy. Pakistan is provided for".
So glad to see an enlightened age when China actually evaluates and reports on a strategy.
One relief is the document taking overtones of policy propoganda. This biased perspective (of leaders and of leaders appointed as generals) is bound to lead to gross misjudgement. Thus the break free from such tightening cords shall lead to a decade back step as with its behemoth nebor to the north.
Depressing as obviously evident from enlightened blogs below - WHATEVER ELSE IT TAKES, WE DON'T HAVE THE LEADERSHIP (TEAM) TO SPEARHEAD A FITTING RESPONSE.
Re: China don't have any war experience
by sree harsha on Jan 07, 2010 04:21 PM
Shetty Sir, do you have any idea who came out the winner in the 1962 conflict. India's su*ptid leader at that time was so under prepared that the defense forces had to run and hope the Chinese did not advance. Thankfully china didn't have plans for world domination at that time
Re: Re: China don't have any war experience
by Joseph George on Jan 07, 2010 04:33 PM
We wish we had run as you said - Harsha, there was no time to even get out of the way of Human Waves. We were stupid to count in terms of bodies.
Chinese Leadership considers nothing of 50,000 to 100,000 troops or 5 to 10 million civilians - for a few acres more.
We will not stick out our chests in scale nor proportion ----- Not that its gonna be infantry centric battle this time around.
Why China says 'brief border dispute" is because they know in a short time they can take away half of Arunachal Pradesh - stop and while the world clamours for peace - India will consent to discuss the return ........
And our banya pandits will figure nothing is amiss in their gulla's and scrounge through UN, US, to expound and claim diplomatic victories.
Re: Re: China don't have any war experience
by kafir chronicles on Jan 07, 2010 04:33 PM
sree harsha, China did not have the means to occupy India and supply its forces. It was a quick war, followed by a retreat to their own posts. India, as in most wars, takes a beating initially followed by a comeback which surprises the everybody. Our leadership failed in 1962. Most of our soldiers on the field were willing to fight it out to the finish but certain officers lost their head. Can't blame them when Nehru was under the charm of a staunch communist, Menon. Besides, China suffered casualties on its side as well. The worst decision by Nehru was not to allow our Air Force to bomb the Chinese Army formations and their supply lines fearing attacks on Delhi. Little did he know that their Air Force was grounded after Soviets had stopped supplying spares following their hostilities with China. Point being, we were ready for a skirmish, but weren't prepared for war. We were caught napping. Sadly, we haven't learnt our lesson. We were caught napping in Kargil as well. This time, it was the fault of our Military heads who ignored all intelligence reports of infiltration in the Kargil and Dras sectors.
Surrender to China is the only option left for India already - what with our corrupt politicians, police, army, navy, airforce, judiciary, et all. Does India have any hope when it is ruled by the Gandhis and helped by Lalus who took Rs.400 crores from Madhu Koda, Mulayams, Amar Singhs, Bal Thackerys, Advanis, Gadhkari, Pawar (he has amassed Rs.2 lac cr.) and their ilk. India cannot dream of fighting China and it is best for India to surrender and become part of greater China.
Re: India has option to surrender to China
by PREM KUMAR on Jan 07, 2010 05:48 PM
I AGREE FARROUKH. If we become part of greater china we will also be a progressive like china and they will change our dirty roads, polluted rivers, poverty stricken indian in to prosperous. Neither cong nor BJP can prosper india.
Re: ind
by Madan Waghmare on Jan 07, 2010 04:00 PM
In Jugle world only one rule prevails might is right intellegent Nehru died after china betrayed Pegons dont work where Atoms bombs are required if you cannot destroy completely does not mean you should allow him to molest you First you should think that you can be powerful than only you can achieve it Please dont be Nay sayer
I some times wonder why we Indians lack self confidence and self esteem?? I you believe in yourself, you can defeat any army in the world..... Remember...... Wars are always won with self belief, self confidence and a good strategy...
Re: Re: self confidence
by Madan Waghmare on Jan 07, 2010 03:50 PM
China is Superior in warfare it was superior . But who wants it superior in future. If not then when will one start after your are bombed ??
Re: Re: self confidence
by kafir chronicles on Jan 07, 2010 03:51 PM
Where exactly in his post has Parasdeep claimed that India is militarily superior to PRC?
Re: self confidence
by kafir chronicles on Jan 07, 2010 03:44 PM
If that is the case, then we should have defeated the Moghuls at our borders. Jaichand aside, the kingdoms couldn't even unite. The Indian subcontinent has always lacked leadership. Besides, wars are won with advanced weapons as well. Self belief, self confidence and a good strategy can only hold the fort for "this long".
Re: Re: self confidence
by Raj on Jan 07, 2010 03:57 PM
We have self and China have confidence!!!. We are surviving because God is protecting us due to our enduarance, patience and non-violence.
Re: Re: Re: self confidence
by kafir chronicles on Jan 07, 2010 04:03 PM
Raj, non violence led to our land being invaded by the Moghul cretins. Buddhism and Jainism, however appealing it may seem, makes sense with civilized people. Barbarians only understand brute force and violence. That is exactly what they respect and admire in an adversary and bring them to the negotiating table. Don't forget, peace loving Chinese buddhists were slaughtered like cattle by Japan's imperial army during the second world war.
Re: self confidence
by Shahir Ahmad on Jan 08, 2010 08:17 AM
its not lack confidence its divided along all lines my friend. we have punjabi pride, gujurati pride and then we always have a pissing contest so that mentality is seen as we can all be broken away very easily when they want. we are all just a herd.
Re: Re: china
by Shahir Ahmad on Jan 08, 2010 08:13 AM
good point nilesh and also how recently little groups took on the might of israel..israel did all the damage but was declared a loser by many analysts. I however say there are never any winners in war.
Re: Re: Re: china
by Madan Waghmare on Jan 07, 2010 03:38 PM
You are among those people who kept india lame by saying india china as brothers. One doing indias military incapablity china attacked india
If you are weak any body will attack you if some body gets annoyed its there problem.
