Now we can undersatnd how Moghulas and British Invaded India. Who has invited them that time and who is appeasing them again now. It is only Hindus. That time Hindu kings and now Hindu politicians (of Cong.) who were voted by Hindu majority. Why blame others?
Is this a symptom for another foreign rule for India soon. (Thanks to Hindu self-centered rulers and majority who voted them).
It could be China this time around 2012. Its economy is growing, defense force and scientific patents increased. It has already dominated all countries surrounding India.
Even Kalki Purana mentions about fight between Avatar and Rulers of Chinese names. For that China has to first dominate. Then Establish anti-religion states. It looks this is the time for that
If 100% Hindus start voting, then the importance of votes of minorities (who are only 20% of population) will reduce. Thats the only way to end the minority appeasement and vote bank politics.
Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 12:25 PM
This 100% voting phenomenon can happen when the sun rises in the West and sets in the east.
Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 12:28 PM
u r either confused or trying to confuse me. It is a fact that 100% of minorities always vote. Thats why all media and parties are concerned only about the minority votes during elections. Did u ever heard any talk about hindu votes during any election ?
Re: Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 12:33 PM
Mr Manoj. I am no way confused. See one cannot frame their opinion based on just some newspaper or media reports. We need some concrete data, especially it will be more valid if it comes from the EC itself directly. Honestly I do not think that minorites vote 100% because it is just impossible. Like any other, they would be having their own compulsions and outlook. May be when you see on the TV during voting day and see Burkha clad ladies lining up in a queue, you frame that opinion in your mind. But that is not complete and we need more quantifiable data to validate that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 03:01 PM
why are all parties and media always discussing about minority votes? Why they are not concerned about Hindu votes ?
Why every party talks about minorities, nobody is talking in favor of Hindus ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 03:26 PM
That is because there is nothing called as Hindu vote. It is just a myth.
Re: Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Saurabh Goswami on Feb 10, 2010 04:32 PM
Dear manoj, minorities vote en masse because of the grand design for establishing critical mass of the M's in India. pakistan was divested of Hindoos clinically from 32% in '47 to 2% today. In Kashmir too a majority of M's ensured removal of kashmiri pundits. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to understand what they are aiming for. Have you heard of equal rights for non M's in Iran or Pak or any M majjority state? If you still want to be naive-god help you and us.
Re: Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Saurabh Goswami on Feb 10, 2010 04:32 PM
Dear manoj, minorities vote en masse because of the grand design for establishing critical mass of the M's in India. pakistan was divested of Hindoos clinically from 32% in '47 to 2% today. In Kashmir too a majority of M's ensured removal of kashmiri pundits. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to understand what they are aiming for. Have you heard of equal rights for non M's in Iran or Pak or any M majjority state? If you still want to be naive-god help you and us.
Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Ravi Chandran on Feb 10, 2010 01:12 PM
One study says, middle class will purify everything when it becomes 50% in 2030 (Now 30%. 1% growth every year is the pattern now).
Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 12:30 PM
I have been reading and listening to media during last 30 years. During every election, the most important topic of discussion is, how many minority votes are in each constituency. I have never heard the discussion on how many hindu votes are in each constituency
Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 12:36 PM
Has not the Media covering the voting behaviour of Yadavs, Dalits, Gujjars etc. They form the Hindus.
Re: Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 03:05 PM
It is different from saying mulsim vote or cristian vote. Media distinguish between yadavs, dalits, gujjars to split Hindu votes.
In cristian and mulsim there are different categories, but that is not mentioned by media or parties.
Re: Re: Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 03:20 PM
That is because Casteism is the core foundation of Hinduism. Hindus themselves identify on the basis of caste only.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by Venkateshwaran N on Feb 10, 2010 07:44 PM
See matrimonial ads of any community - H, M or C, the ads are always specifying the subcaste. After that you can talk - if you want to talk the truth, that is.
Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by guru on Feb 10, 2010 12:28 PM
Dear Manoj...do you live in stone age? I am surprised you still believe that Hindus are 80 % of the population !!
Re: Re: To all readers, think frankly !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 03:09 PM
Secular parties use the claim that minorities are less than 20%, to support their appeasement. If minorities are more in percent, why they need special preference ? The question is not that hindus are 80% or 70% or 60%, the question is why is the need for reservation in terms of religion. It is a proven fact that 100% of minorities vote and only 40% of Hindus vote in elections.
the havoc for the special quota for on behalf of religion is not good if government really wants to uplift its citizens then the quota should be based on their economic status not coz of their religion then that would do the justice to all people and i guess no one would dare to oppose it.
Re: Give poor people priority not religion
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 12:24 PM
Exactly.. well said !!! I'm not against a religion. But I dont want a secularism where only minorities are always preferred.
Re: Re: Re: Give poor people priority not religion
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 12:29 PM
As long as you travel in a Democracy, you need to sail along with it. You have no other choice.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Give poor people priority not religion
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 03:11 PM
i dont want such a democrazy where majority is punished for being a majority, and minorities always get preference. Chinese model dictatorship is bettern than this type of democrazy
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Give poor people priority not religion
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 03:24 PM
That is your preference as well as everybody who gets disenchanted with the system as such. But does individual preference matter ? Does his voice count ?
Re: Give poor people priority not religion
by suraj sharma on Feb 10, 2010 12:47 PM
How come Bollywood is tatally dominated by Khans. How come there is good representation of muslims in sports? only talent counts? Quotas for upliftment is a failed concept, it is uselful only to garner votes, and build vote banks.
Re: Give poor people priority not religion
by kieran dsouza on Feb 10, 2010 02:00 PM
yeah sameer, I too agree. but better than that, if the people are encouraged by microfinance and license to stand on their own two feet rather than depend on the vote seeking politicians, I think that is the best solution of all
100% of Mulsims and Cristians vote in elections. Only 40% of Hindus vote in elections. If all 100% of Hindus start voting, the mulsim appeasement will stop.
Thats why Modi is trying to implement compulsory voting and Congress is opposing it.
Re: Hindus awake !!!
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 11:55 AM
This is a data without real basis. If the BJP Government coming to power will stop the quota then why does its Government in Karnataka which is enjoying a majority strike down the quota for Muslims ?
Re: Re: Hindus awake !!!
by tajender on Feb 10, 2010 12:00 PM
juciary is dominated by brahamins.justice is not possible.brahaminical justice is also vertical like their samaj.
Re: Re: Hindus awake !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 PM
Vascado, in Bangalore district 90% are Hindus, but the voting percentage was only 40-45%. This is becuase only 40% of hindus voted. BJP has only majority of 3 MLAs in assembly.
If only 40% of hindus vote in next election, BJP may not be able to come to power again.
Re: Re: Re: Hindus awake !!!
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 12:22 PM
Manoj, In Bihar particularly in areas of Muslim and Dalit concentration, the voting percentage was so poor. Will you attribute that for the defeat of Lalu and Paswan. As I say these objective analysis are meaningless. A voter in this Country votes the way as he wants. It is futile to link his behaviour with any religion.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hindus awake !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 03:14 PM
In Bihar, Lallu rule was yadav mulsim rule, and these two groups oppressed the upper caste & other lower caste people. Finally the oppressed people got fed up and voted against Lallu. thats why Lallu lost.
Re: Re: Hindus awake !!!
by tajender on Feb 10, 2010 12:03 PM
juciary is dominated by brahamins.justice is not possible.brahaminical justice is also vertical like their samaj.
Re: Re: Re: Hindus awake !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 12:16 PM
tajender when courts pass verdict against modi and gujarat goverment, u people support the court. only when u dont like the judgements, u go crazy and talk nonsense
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hindus awake !!!
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 12:27 PM
It is both ways Manoj. I have seen many RSS and BJP supporters criticising the Courts when the verdict is not favourable to them. That happens when you symbolize with a party or organisation which makes you blind to reality.
Re: Re: Re: Hindus awake !!!
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 12:16 PM
tajender when courts pass verdict against modi and gujarat goverment, u people support the court. only when u dont like the judgements, u go crazy and talk nonsense
Re: indian
by suraj sharma on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 PM
Who has reserved hero slots for muslims in bollywood? who has reserved pace bowler slots for zaheer and munaf? only merit and talent counts. Quotas for upliftment is a failed concept.Muslims should reject it. There are certainly other ways to uplift poorer sections of minorities. you know pretty well the richest man of India Mr.Azim premji belonng to which community.
Re: indian
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 11:51 AM
Friend, Backward class minorities already enjoy it under the OBC category. It is only religious specific reservation that is being opposed.
Re: Are only Mulsims poor ?
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 11:51 AM
That is really nice. But even if the Government becomes bold and takes it forward and ie reservations on the basis of economic criteria, I do not think it will pass the test since opposition to such a move would be tumultous by the opposition parties taming down the Government.
Re: Re: Are only Mulsims poor ?
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 12:08 PM
BJP dont agree for mulsim reservation, but UPA is not listening to BJP.
So if UPA wants to give reservation to poor people across all religions, why to listen to opposition ? UPA will get the vote of all poor people, right ?
Re: Are only Mulsims poor ?
by Nilesh Bhatiaa on Feb 10, 2010 12:19 PM
All Muslims are not poor....but the poor muslims end up producing kids beyond their financial capabilities and that is the root cause of all problems......so the root should be chopped rather than arguing about these things!!!!
Re: Are only Mulsims poor ?
by Vascado on Feb 10, 2010 11:52 AM
That is really nice. But even if the Government becomes bold and takes it forward and ie reservations on the basis of economic criteria, I do not think it will pass the test since opposition to such a move would be tumultous by the opposition parties taming down the Government.
Re: Re: Are only Mulsims poor ?
by manoj on Feb 10, 2010 12:11 PM
There is no need for UPA to listen to opposition. UPA has majority in parliament. Oppositon can not do anything.
