You think any other country will have such a bunch of pussy footing nerds...Listen you blokes, a war will push us back economically, but do you have any idea how much we have spent on Kashmir over the past 30 years..Our presence is 7 soldiers to a single civilian and so isn't that putting us back economically. Go back to your mathematics...if you will do the same thing for another 30 years you will have spent 10 times as much as you would on a war with Pakis. They will not be able to sustain for more than 3 days....and we will push them deep into their territory..You nut cases think the Armed forces have not accounted for the time a confrontation will last or how much will be the spend....You're a bunch of cowards like the govt of ours...Look at Israel, look at America they would never take this lying down. he WTC destruction has led to America waging a full scale war against the Al Qaeda and here we are because you cowards elect a cowardly damn government, we are still begging on both knees for Pakistan to pay atention to our squealing.
Basically the 26/11 Mumbai attacks were a result of security failure because of which only the terrorists could sneak into our land through sea way.No doubt,we lost heavily in terms of human life & property the answer & reaction to it was certainly launching a war on Pakistan.War is not a child play & several factors-especially the enormous strain that it leaves on the nation's economy which just limping back to normalcy after the world's slow down need to be taken into account.It is not an action to be resorted to by impulse or emotion.Govt's decision not to have precipitated matters immediately was quite correct.Forst of all we need to take up the matter with the Pak Govt which in fact stoutly refused its involvement,but later acceped & again is going back saying that the charges are not proved.Any war has international ramifications & all other nations will be closely watching the two nations on war.Keeping themselves prepared for a war is the duty of any of the three wings of the defence there is nothing great about accelerating all the machinery toweards that.But it does not mean that just because the defence personnel or ready govt should order a war.It is in fact the other way-the forces should be ready to execute the order whenever the call is given.so,the retired Air Marshal's blaming the GOI is not not in fitness of things & does not speak well of him also since it has the effect of tarnishing the image of the govt irrespective of the party it is headed by.
Re: Air Marshal's remarks are not in fitness of things
by Loknath Rao on Nov 16, 2009 07:18 PM
Shutup Malliah. Its all pep talk. Peace is the period between two successive wars. We need a war with Pakistan immediately. NO ANALYSIS, NO DRAWING ROOM SOCIALISM, NO INCESTUAL TALK. Every nation needed a war to prosper. I am ready to loose my job, money and security BUT I CANT STAND THIS HUMILIATION OF 6 DECADES
Re: Re: Air Marshal's remarks are not in fitness of things
by Loknath Rao on Nov 16, 2009 08:10 PM
What Govt. are you talking about; Kangressh..yuk. they stink. The bunch of people have taken the nation to ransom and run India like their fiefdom. During my lifetime I want to see the day when the last member of the Nehru-Ghandy dynasty in whatever form they exist including their expensive graves are wiped off beyond no return from this earth. They have only bought misery, penury, helplessness, frustration, quotas, reservations, licenses, incest and engaging in lip service diplomacy with neighbors like Pakistan and china. Even the kaamwale nepalis talk against us. The Air Marshall has done the right thing. He spoke the truth. This is in fact how the nation is and was. Absolutely spineless and clueless by mind, body and soul. Come to talk of it only BJP has the right ideology to take the nation forward and showcase India and Indians as a superior race and people who have the ballsofsteel.
Re: Re: Re: Air Marshal's remarks are not in fitness of things
by mallaiah anchoori on Nov 16, 2009 08:22 PM
Rao!I think you understand English!Go through my post once again.I clearly said -"the govt irrespective of the party it is headed by"I would not have tolerated a retired Air Marshal talking like a lay man the moment he lays off the office even if it were to be against BJP headed govt.We need to be fair to every one.If you have any deep rooted hatred for Nehru family,it is your sheer personal opinion.Of late,it has become a fashion or fancy for the retired senior officials-especially from the defence to talk like this being under illusions that they are unfolding a great secret.As a matter of fact,it is time that the Govt comes out with a code of conduce even for retired officials restricting their talk in the name of the fundamental right "to talk";till yesterday being the Air Marshal.he was a part of the govt.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Air Marshal's remarks are not in fitness of thin
by Loknath Rao on Nov 16, 2009 11:18 PM
Malliah, I am sorry to repeat but it seems you are writing out of your compulsive disorder to sound saintly. Not your problem. I am sure like many poor souls, you too were fed on excessive mannerisms in school, home and college. The Govt. actually wants people like you. People who can talk niceties even after being abused, hurt and demoralized. There is actually a strange phenomenon, if you are born before 1980's you will find it hard to come to terms with your own idiosyncrasies that the nation as a whole tried to infuse through all means. So let’s also learn to hate, hate enemies to a point where you can forsake everything for self-pride and honor. The Marshall could not have afforded to speak up while in service. Imagine his frustration when he is ready to fire and all of sudden the people at helm say no for reasons unknown to them. It’s like you sit for a potty and someone forces you from behind that very moment.. Imagine how it feels. A man with a spine would have to either fight or speak up. Don’t call this act as maligning the govt or just about fashionable. There are many things that these able guys can do to sound fashionable. The message needs to reach the world in as many ways possible that India INDEED is a SPINELESS nation. Atleast that would revive some zeal amongst the leaders of the nations to do what other nations have done to cleanse the system. ..if not as matter of duty but as matter of shame
Re: Re: Air Marshal's remarks are not in fitness of things
by mallaiah anchoori on Nov 16, 2009 08:27 PM
Mr Loknath!Please go & join in Indian army before you talk so loud about a war.War is not some thing like sitting at home like you & talking as one feels.It is not that simple & is fraught with several ramifications.And one more important thing!By employing abusive language like "shut up"you prove yourself not deserving to be a person fit enough to participate & talk from a public forum like this.Please learn manners first.
Re: Re: Air Marshal's remarks are not in fitness of things
by mallaiah anchoori on Nov 16, 2009 07:28 PM
Go & enroll yourself first in the Indian army before you talk so loud about a war without knowing the implications.War is not like some thing sitting at home & talking like you.And before that, learn manners-especially how to speak from a public forum like this.Be restrained at your tongue & avoid using abusive language like"shut up".A fellow who cannot control his emotions is not fit to talk about big things like the desirability of a war etc.
Re: Re: Re: Air Marshal's remarks are not in fitness of things
by Loknath Rao on Nov 16, 2009 11:15 PM
Apologies Mallaiah. My shut-up was not directed to you in flesh and blood but at the way you are putting your empty views. Since I can’t use such abuses for likes of our leaders on the forum, I am exercising it on you kind souls who would keep on ranting the same arguments over and over again even if it means non-sense. Insanity is after all talking the same thing for 6 decades and expecting different results. As far as joining the Army was concerned I was rejected by NDA when I was out of school.. not once but twice. and thats because the Govt. appointed retards has a notion that people who are not Punjabis can’t make soldiers. As far as becoming a Jawan is concerned I don’t want to become one as it is a most humiliating experience ever to see Gun shots coming from other end and Manmohan Singh ranting "lets resolve this thru bilateral talks and high level delegations while the malefactors are happily training folks to bomb India and broker deals hiding in London.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Air Marshal's remarks are not in fitness of thin
by mallaiah anchoori on Nov 17, 2009 06:50 PM
Rao!I am happy that you; could,though belated,realise your mistake & feel sorry.Kindly shun such attitude of scolding/using abusive language just in a fit of anger or emotion just because you do not agree with other's view.This is a public forum where you cannot expect every one to hold similar views as yours. If you were not selected by NDA twice as an officer,you could have joined as jawan & proved your patriotism.In fact,jawan is the greatest in the armed forces since it is he who would be in the fore front making the first sacrifice in case situation warrants.In a machine,each small nut is as important as any other major part & what is needed is dignity of labour which you could have as well had even as a soldier.Nothing wrong in that if one is so patriotic as he claims loudly.
Indians should not talk of war as matter of Pride. Best Wars of the world are the ones, that are won with threats and without fighting.
Look at China, we NEVER talk of going to war with China, because CHINA has positioned itself SO WELL Militarily and Economically, it is unthinkable any country would want to fight war with it.
Re: War will damage Indias Economy
by Devdutt Nayak on Nov 16, 2009 07:03 PM
"War will damage Indias Economy
Indians should not talk of war as matter of Pride. Best Wars of the world are the ones, that are won with threats and without fighting."
Very wise words indeed !!
If only we could explain that to the Pak public also.
They would not support their war-addiction which is taking their civilian life down the toilet at jet speed.
War is the drug that Pak leaders and Army have been giving them instead of food and clothes.
The end result is always destruction and painful death.
Economically war is a racket,
Socially, war is an addictive narcotic drug.
The result is the same as in both analogies - economically you are looted and fleeced, and socially, you are destroyed and you die a slow painful death.
That is **the plan** of the global money and arms cartels.
Re: War will damage Indias Economy
by Loan Shark on Nov 16, 2009 06:49 PM
exactly!! .... and in a war with India, Pakistan will walk away with billions in international aid
Re: Re: War will damage Indias Economy
by Raj Reddy on Nov 16, 2009 08:05 PM
So what is going to be different, even without the war, they are making Billions.
Re: war is fatal - pakistan wants economic damage to India
by Devdutt Nayak on Nov 16, 2009 06:42 PM
And note how close to the elections it was.
So basically what Pakistan was doing was trying to destabilise India politically and economically in a dramatic way,
using the global and US Military Industrial Complex and the fictitious Al Qaeda military network insidiously and secretly run by the powerful few anti-social loyal-to-nobody groups like the Bilderberg, the Bavarian Illuminati (from the time of Hitler and his Bavarian resort) the US companies like Northrop Grumann, Boeing, Honeywell, Raytheon, Rockwell, Lockheed Martin, the guys behind Skunkworks, the Triliateral Commission, many US TLAs like NSA, DHS, CIA - basically the real global mafia.
So ISI, CIA-Pak and the Pakistan Army (*NOT* Pak public) thought that is a good idea to start a Indo-Pak war, force economic sanctions on both countries, screw both economies - which actually harms us only, because they have no economy to speak of because of Mian Musharraf and his one true friend, Bush and BushCo.
Hence the lawyers revolt in Pak to save the country from becoming Iraq last year itself.
You see the Pak Army, ISI and CIA-Pak (aka D-Company) will happily sell their mothers, daughters and wives for money or power.
So who cares about Pak public?
Just like in India, hwo many Indian politicians care about the public?
We say it openly, Pak public does not - "imaan" and "bhaichaara" prevent them from speaking the truth that they also know.
The idea was never to attack PAK but P.O.K where the training camps are . P.O.K is no body's territory . We call it P.O.K , the people there call it Azad Kashmir .And Pakistanis claim they only help kashmiri Independence and it is not their territory .So P.O.K should have been attacked or atleast we should have advanced a little to show them that we wont take things lightly.But alas we just came out as pack of jokers with no spine ,still submitting proofs and proofs and they claiming they r victims themselves so cant do much. No nationalistic pride left in the politicians anymore they just want things to go as it is so they can enjoy life .only citizens die . I wish they had really killed a few important ministers in the parliament attack .Would have given India more credible reasons to attack P.O.K and finally our ministers would have been of some use to the nation. As compensation we could have send them some money too like they give out to other victims. I will contribute 10 rs :)
We lost Gilgit, Baltistan and Skardu. We lost Aksai Chin, because the government at Delhi didn’t know the exact boundaries and no patrolling was taking place.
In total, we have lost one lakh twenty-five thousand square kms to the Pakistanis and Chinese during Congress rule.
When Indian soldiers were fighting Pakistani marauders in 1947, they didn’t have enough jeeps. So orders were placed with its British company and supply demanded immediately. Our High Commissioner Krishna Menon, a blue-eyed boy of Pt. Nehru messed it up. Jeeps reached a year late and with a taint of hot money exchanging hands.
Re: Ah
by MONIDEEP GUPTA on Nov 16, 2009 06:17 PM
And thus the first Thief Nehru got corruption started in India.I tell you something was wrong with Motilal itself.Anybody have any more interesting information ?
Re: Re: Re: Ah
by ramakrishna seetharaman on Nov 16, 2009 07:19 PM
pl.explain more in detail s to how Sanjay Dutt & Rahul are related as per your statement above.
Re: Indian brain is far ahead when compared to the Chinese brain.
by Nikhil on Nov 16, 2009 06:14 PM
It is superior , just that we use it for all the wrong purposes
Re: Indian brain is far ahead when compared to the Chinese brain.
by Samual David on Nov 16, 2009 06:15 PM
We are always underestimating our opponents! When can Indian grow up
Re: Indian brain is far ahead when compared to the Chinese brain.
by speculator on Nov 16, 2009 06:09 PM
Comments such as this always worries me, always.
Re: Indian brain is far ahead when compared to the Chinese brain.
by PREM KUMAR on Nov 16, 2009 06:51 PM
Go and see china, you will see clean roads, shining sky scrapers, lavish malls, people prosperity unlike our india with dirty roads and hungry poor indians
Re: Re: Indian brain is far ahead when compared to the Chinese br
by nuke on Nov 16, 2009 07:08 PM
ya go see china...you see people suppressed,even denied the right to reproduce...India may not be prosperous...but it is far better than pakistan or china
Re: Re: Indian brain is far ahead when compared to the Chinese br
by Shaan Nair on Nov 16, 2009 08:18 PM
If u were in China , the gov would have had you for lunch for writing against your country. At least thank god that you have the choice to criticize ! And .. if there was everyting so rosy in china there would nt have been riots over collapsed school buildings in the earch quake couple of years back
Re: Is PAF worth a challenge....???
by sakar panch on Nov 16, 2009 06:17 PM
They would have blasted 1/4 th of India before our first aircrafts even taxied to the runway. STOP
