The difference is that Hindus have accepted any legislation aimed at reforming social customs without ado. The community has also produced several reformers across the country who have fought social evils. Has there been any open call for reforms from among Muslims? This group would do well in revolting against the males of their community than taking out their frustration on Hindutva fascism
Re: How open are they for reforms?
by True Indian on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM
In Islam 1) There was equality of gender from day one, property rigths. 2) Divorce can be given by any gender 3) Education is must for all irrespective of gender 4) Parda is compulsory because nudity only creates problems in society.
First of all,let them take out their frustration on the males of their community and the outdated book they follow till date, before talking about the so-called Hindutva fascism. Legisaltive measures against evil social customs have been accepted without demur by Hindus. Will this group openly ask for abolition of triple talaaq system or accept compulsory family planning measures without protesting?? Let them first acquaint themselves with facts on Shah Bano case before they speak!Let her show one reformer in her community after Prophet Mohamad,(peace be upon him!)!
Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and they blame others
by abul mansoor on Nov 09, 2009 06:59 PM
Bala when you are not aware of what that Holy Book called the Koran which has answers for all human problem and which is playing a great strength to our researchers and scientist in aquiring answers to million miracle questions. With out understanding the concept of Talaaq system please do not comment on it. Please ask and learn with scholars around you before you give a statement.
Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and they blame othe
by bala sreenivasan on Nov 09, 2009 08:36 PM
Thanks Mr.Mansoor for putting up with the ignorance of this kafir. May I request you to kindly go through some chapters in our history pertaining to the Moplah Rebellion of Kerala in 1921 and the Razakkar Movement of Hyderabad some 27 years later. "Malabar has taught us what Islamic rule still means, and we do not want to see another specimen of the Khilafat Raj in India"- It is not the quote from a victim of jihad,but Dr.Annie Besant. If a Hindu tries to rationalize social evils, he is labelled obscurantist whereas aberrations in Islam are beyond reproach or comment and that is secularism. Barring the fundamental tenets in a religion,social customs should change with the times.The conflict arises only when you resist change and legislative reforms. By the way what have you to say about Shah Bano's case? Please neverever think I am denigrating Prophet(PBUH) whom I realise was also a social reformer who brought about some semblance of order in the medieval Arabia. Your moulvis should try to interpret concepts like Dar-ul-harab, Jihad and Kafir in a creative fashion. Will they do it? What is the attitude of your brothers towards minoritiesin regions like Kashmir where you are a majority? Any scholastic interpretations?
Re: Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and they blame
by saadullah hussaini on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 AM
Dear Bala,
The concept of frequent need for reforms from time to time, since numerous reformers have appeared in ur religion, clearly tells that you do not believe ur own scriptures to be adequate and fully complete, thus as per ur knowledge either God himself lacks proper vision and is powerless as He needs help from you guys to reform laws made by Him or you don't believe in God at all. This is in all means total hypocrisy and your faith is exposed. Those who believe in Allah - Our creator,they believe him to be all powerful. No one else can know better than the creator.So, if you can't digest other's belief, have some patience till you complete your tenure on this earth peacefully, for truth will never be hidden from you forever.
Re: Re: Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and they bl
by ratnajayant gudavally on Nov 10, 2009 01:30 AM
Before finishing the tenur they want to do Jehads and own heaven.
Re: Re: Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and they bl
by dev anand on Nov 10, 2009 04:23 AM
AAh!!! a typical Muslim again. This is your problem. Resisting change and then interpreting something from the 6th A.D. as the sole basis of living in this world. And lack of reforms with time has brought you people to such a hopeless situation in modern world.
I think your reply to Bala has summarized the reason for the plight of Muslims everywhere in this world. You people cannot live peacefully and thrive on outdated dogmas based on hallucinated thoughts of a person who lived centuries ago in the deserts of Arabia.
Re: Re: Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and they bl
by Devdas SRK on Nov 10, 2009 07:57 AM
No one can change him ,leave him alone. look the changes made are in the social evils that creep into a religion as old as Hinduism. The strength of the religion can be assesed by it's longest stay, it can be traced back to 5000 years.. Islam has been born just 2000 years before, with the contemporary ideas of that time, like the concept of first man and woman is the same in christianity. so these old scriptures are intepreted in different ways by different people and they come up with different meanings, which is not neccessarily the meaning which the original writer wanted. One has to change with changing times because our day to day lives change, so does good and bad change.
Re: Re: Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and they bl
by Sharad on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 PM
You will believe in anything in the name of religion. No GOD ever TOLD anything to humans by talking to them or giving anything in writing. These are all stories made up by human beings with VESTED INTERSTS. These religious leaders will say anything to protect their jobs. They don't do anything productive in society, but live luxuriously. Stupid people believe in these SELF STYLED RELIGIOUS LEADERS, whether it is Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, or any other religion for that matter.
Do your own thinking, my dear friend, not what some RELIGIOUS LEADER tells you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and they bl
by bala sreenivasan on Nov 10, 2009 05:30 AM
Ratnajayanthi, thanks, it is my fate thatI should listen to sermons on tolerance towards other faiths from a practitioner of a religion which mandates unspeakable tortures to be perpetrated on all those who do not believe in it or question it! Hussaini thinks he is intelligent.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and the
by Neo Indian on Nov 14, 2009 07:25 PM
nice analysis and retorts Bala... unfortunately for the world, God has been created by a select few to wage war and conquer the world..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There is no scope for reform in Islam and the
by ratnajayant gudavally on Nov 10, 2009 06:14 AM
Where is the sweetness of being born and leaving this earth gone ?
Re: no wonder only such eviil women can produce such terrrorist k
by Jasad Dusty on Nov 09, 2009 03:11 PM
Wondering the type of women who produced people like Madhu Koda....
Re: Re: no wonder only such eviil women can produce such terrrori
by ratnajayant gudavally on Nov 10, 2009 01:32 AM
Must be a biz comunity woman like the OIL traders. They know how to play with oil, money,women and heavenly killing.
When the Jews were being persecuted in Germany, their first effort was to run away. Similarly if the Muslims think that they are being isolated then why cant they go to Pakistan and Bangladesh amongst their so called brotheren. Why do they have to continue to live in India and provide support and help to the terrorists. They should understand the Aligarh Muslim University is in India and not in Pakistan. If the chief priest of Jama Masjid issue Fatwas, he does it in India and not in Pakistan. Before partition also, Muslims had the same grudge and they created a Pakistan and now the remaining ones have started on the same line and want to divide the country further. This nonsense can not continue for very long, either our political leaders should go for neutrality and in that case no administrative action should be taken based on the religeous affiliation, that means the Haj Subsidy, patronage to Madarsas all go or they should declared Islam as the preferred religeon of the State, so that the Hindus can clearly understand the priorities of the political parties and act accordingly.
Re: Re: RELIGEOUS AFFILIATIONS
by Aam Admi on Nov 09, 2009 11:35 AM
You have a dreamland in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Why don't you join them as Mujahdeens. That will get you Jannat also. Why you have to continue in India and suffer all the sufferings.
Re: RELIGEOUS AFFILIATIONS
by Devdas SRK on Nov 10, 2009 08:10 AM
Hindus should not advice muslims to go to Pakistan and Bangladesh. That is ridiculous. It leads to frustration, imagining myself in a situation, if I were a mulsim and some one calls be a Paki , I would only want to beat the shit out of that guy. So I advice you not to say things like that again, because it is wrong. Most Muslims do not think Pakistan as their home and they are strangled here. What they have is just a soft corner for Pakistan and generally Hindus hate Pak, that is the only conflict. What is not right with the Muslim part is that they want too many allowances, even after they are being allowed freedom in practicing their religion. The bottom line is people who can put the Nation in front of religion desreve to stay on this land, be it a Hindu or a Muslim
Re: RELIGEOUS AFFILIATIONS
by Jasad Dusty on Nov 09, 2009 02:58 PM
Go and buy one of those stickers of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale being openly sold in Punjab, Aam Admi.
Re: Re: RELIGEOUS AFFILIATIONS
by Jasad Dusty on Nov 09, 2009 03:02 PM
India is my dreamland, I have my roots going back to 2000 years, I go nowhere. What will you do with me if I do not go anywhere?
Re: why cant hendoo women also lead the community
by ratnajayant gudavally on Nov 13, 2009 08:22 AM
Are u talking about hendoos and hendfdos ????or Hindus.
Are u a muslim or mouse lem or some thing else ????
Re: Re: Even what you husband has given you?
by ratnajayant gudavally on Nov 10, 2009 06:28 AM
Hinds are bulding their country and u r destroying their country and calling it as yours.
There is an excellent article in today's 'Times Of India' and on its web site by Swaminathan Aiyar a noted economist and columnist with the title ' Anjumans deprive Muslim women of microcredit'. This article is enough to suggest 'why muslim women can not lead their community'. Rather then blaming others Zakia Soman should look with in and should first sort out problem of non-cooperation from with in the society.
Re: Don't blame others
by Fluffy Kumar on Nov 08, 2009 11:48 PM
It is impossible for muslim1 women to lead or find equal status in islam, say what they may about the peace and beauty of their faith. Their faith suited them in stone age times where one dominated by the sword. In present times, it does not play well, so they are conflicted all over the world.
