Why Missionaries try to convert very poor people only? Is it bcz they r simple people and can b easily fooled by giving some help, with the huge money coming from Christian countries for conversion? Is it a religious activity? Why in this age of science they want to spread a religion, which wants its followers to blindly follow a book written thousands of yrs ago, when scientific knowledge was poor, blindly?
Re: Why Missionaries try to convert very poor people only?
by venkat on Sep 01, 2008 03:22 PM
Religion that burned scientists for saying that earth revolves around the Sun
Re: Why Missionaries try to convert very poor people only?
by Vijay B on Sep 01, 2008 03:28 PM
What the white man did in N & S Amercica, Australia and Africa the Aryans did to the poor Adivasis and Dravadians - who were the original inhabitants of India.
Leave alone the natives of India, the caste system discriminates OBCs and Dalits with Brahmins at the top of the hierarchy. Every other day, a Dalit gets burnt in this country.
Talking of burning, Hindu women are the most highly suceptible to bride burning. In Rajasthan widows are flung to burning funeral pyres and as they scream in pain, the whole crowd start chanting Sati Mata Jai!
Why is it only in the Hindu community female foeticide is the highest in the world so much the sex ratio has declined to threatening proportions so much so communities like Gujaratis have no option but to marry out. Female foeticide is not only primitive, but murder and do not show respect to women.
Talking of respect to women, which among major world religions sanction temple prostitution?
Re: Why Missionaries try to convert very poor people only?
by venkat on Sep 01, 2008 03:39 PM
Did anyone force sati on women in ancient days. Give me one single instance where it was forced? Do no tell things that sati is forced.
Only in 18th -19th century, it became a forced phenomenon and we are reforming it to get eliminated.
Aryan - Dravidian theory is a myth and it has been proved by many modern scholars. This was invented by british to divide and rule and by church to convert.
Re: Why Missionaries try to convert very poor people only?
by Manohar on Sep 01, 2008 04:20 PM
sati was followed from the times the mohemaddans and the christians plundered the Hindu wealth and kidnapped Hindu women for pleasure. It was non existant earlier.
Re: Why Missionaries try to convert very poor people only?
by Ram Sharma on Sep 01, 2008 03:28 PM
Christian Bishops laughed at Galelio, when he said that earth is round. He was jailed in Italy by the Church, after he translated his research papers into Italian language.
Re: See this
by shyam prasad on Sep 01, 2008 03:26 PM
yes if the illegal activities of cristian missionaries continue than there is a chance that india may disintigrate. yes if the illegal conversion by force , deciet & allurement continues than a situation like the north east will arise wherein these cristian missionaries would alieanate the people from their native cu lture demanding secessation.
Conversion is basic human right. I have the right and freedom to select my religion. I do not need to give reasons to my conversion. The theory of "forced conversion" is a stupid idea created by some Hindu fanatics. People are not that fools that you can force them upon something. The allurement is possible. But, why do the so called guardian of the Hindu religions frightened of this allurement? Any person changes his/her religion for some money or temprory gains, will certainly return when the he/she finds no more gain by being in a group. So if you are a fool, you can believe CONVERSION as cause of this violence.
Re: CONVERSION is not the real reason
by Ram Sharma on Sep 01, 2008 03:23 PM
U don't know that even Gandhiji had spoken against forced conversion. Was he a 'Hindu fanatic'?
Re: CONVERSION is not the real reason
by venkat on Sep 01, 2008 03:48 PM
Did the other group respect him? Doing something silently does not mean that they are not commiting a crime.
Re: CONVERSION is not the real reason
by shyam prasad on Sep 01, 2008 03:39 PM
dear friend it is not so simple.the first thing that this crooked missionarie do is to alienate these poor people from their culture,for example making them eat beef. they have the backing of money power & organised strenght of the pope.the church is noting but a big commercial organisation who has profited from human miseries & deciet to accumulate huge wealth . a famous african intellectual has written that WHEN THE MISSIONARIES CAME TO AFRICA WE HAD THE LAND & THEY THE BIBLE TODAY THEY HAVE OUR LAND & WE THE BIBLE. ANOTHE REXAMPLE IS THE AMERICA WHERE THE CHURRCH AIDED & ABATED THE WHITE CRISTIANS TO KILL & RAPE INNOCENT & POOR NATIVE TRIBE TO GRAB THEIR LAND. NOW THEY ARE SHEDING CROCODILE TEARS FOR THEM IN THE FORM OF SERVICE TO THEM. SINCE CRISTAINITY IS LOOSING SPACE IN WESTERN WORLD THEY WANT CONVERTS FROM ASIA TO KEEP THEIR SHOP RUNNING SINCE ASIANS ARE CHEAP LOBOUR FOR THE MENIAL WORK OF THE CHURCH.
Re: CONVERSION is not the real reason
by Manohar on Sep 01, 2008 04:23 PM
Churches in Europe and USA are being used as discotheques. What more can u ask of these religion. It is nothing but a marketing religion.
Re: Numbers
by shyam prasad on Sep 01, 2008 03:42 PM
if you want to covert then tell me I know a priest who will give a bride for u provided u convert to cristainity.
Re: mulims & christians u should all leave this country
by Deepak on Sep 01, 2008 03:21 PM
Because India is your personal property (tum hara bab ka hai)
Let me start with the causes of Conversion from Hinduism to Christianity.
In India we dont have basis fundamental rights Like 1.Right to guarantee of Education (though now the law maker are planning to implement it) 2. Right to gaurantee of Health service.
The people in India leave below poverty line does not have basic amenities like education, Hospital. This missionary trusts however identify the area where there is no such amenities and they construct school and hospitals for the benifit of the poor. They provide all services at free of cost first and gradually make inroad into the heart of the poor. They particularly target Lower cast category of people because though the concept of Untouchability in india is abolished by law but the ground reality is that it still persists in all quarter of life. These missionary make these so called untouchable category comfortable by giving them the desired Human respect.
Their Hospital charges for major operations/dieseas are charged though at lower cost but it is too burdensome for the poor who even dont have the daily food However it is free of cost for the person belonging to the christian community.
As a human one Poor person will definitely come accross such a situation in his life where he will need medical treatement for any of their family member where the cost of the fascility will be high and when he dont have money he has to make choice between life of his dearer one or religi
Re: Causes Of religious Violence
by shyam prasad on Sep 01, 2008 03:56 PM
do you mean to say that we indian are gajjar & Mulis so that any body can buy us. then we are worse than prostitute. it not as simple as u say.these missionaries consider us as pagans i.e children of satan.when the british were ruling india they were converting by force & deciet. the brutal manner in which they converted in goa is example where killers of innocent people who would not convert were annioned as saints.. now that they can no longer do that they are doing so by decieving innocent people & alluremaent.they want destroy our culture & way of life 5000 years of knowledge which thay consider pagan. theis saint at one time for the benifit of church proclaimed that capturing slaves was the devine rigt of white cristain
Re: Causes Of religious Violence
by pranab sadangi on Sep 01, 2008 03:13 PM
religion. There are so many other ways also where these missionary will bear all cost of Higher education, foreign tralvel & education good jobs in their organisation if one is of their religion.
In this situation I will say one will certainly choose the second option of changing the religion rather die in poverty or for better living condition.
Here Our govt has to look into these broader aspect and causes of this Convertism.
It is nothing to do with the preaching of religion. The root cause of this is our socio economic back ground. If our govt can give gauranttee for education and health the whole issue will automatically be solved.
Re: Causes Of religious Violence
by venkat on Sep 01, 2008 03:16 PM
So, as per your say, since church has money, they convert to christainity. The moment, hindu orgs match church in their money power and do social service, there will be no conversion or reconversion will take place.
I could not help laughing when you said church makes untouchable comfortable and finally convert them. Do you know what has happened to them after conversion? What are 'dalit' christians and why are they asking for reservations? OK. leave that, can a dalit be appointed bishop? I never saw a dalit bishop in Tamil Nadu where conversions happen.
Re: Causes Of religious Violence
by pranab sadangi on Sep 01, 2008 04:25 PM
I dont say It is the duty of Hindu organisation to match with the money of chritianity It is the duty of govt to provide the basic amenity.
It is the basis on which they act. Whether u laugh or cry these are the ground reality. And making a dalit bishop or other thing dont arise at the time of lucrating the people if in India we have that type of rationality we should not have been rulled by these britishers. and more of all the ground reality where the incident occured is different from metros and people suffer like anything in distress. We can argue from AC room what our Politicians Do but I just make a request kindly visit once those area then u realise this is the reality. And some of my other friend told gajar & muli. yes u have to accept here in India people still sell them. In orissa still people work for 7000/- Perannum for 8 hours aday. Dear friend u dont know the reality. And no missionary will call u to convert u. Because U r rational. It is as simple as I say Because I have seen the ground reality and u may have observations for this but please first collect your first hand data and then write something.
Re: HINDUS CAN NEVER CO-EXIST
by venkat on Sep 01, 2008 03:18 PM
Actually it is reverse. When did they fight with proper buddhists and jains? Did hindus fight with Parsis or Jews? Only for those problem creators, fighting takes place.
And moreover, India is the place of origin of Hinduism. You can ask the people to jump out from this place.
Re: HINDUS CAN NEVER CO-EXIST
by Ram Sharma on Sep 01, 2008 03:14 PM
U r 100% wrong. If that was the case then either Hinuds would hv been wiped of by now, or very few Muslims, Christians would hv survided in the country, as has happened in Muslim majority countries. Don't write baseless things just like that.
Re: HINDUS CAN NEVER CO-EXIST
by venkat on Sep 01, 2008 03:19 PM
You are either pretending to be ignorant or wrongly advised. Go and see countries where hindus are in a minority ex, malaysia, pakistan and bangladesh. You so called kind religions are wiping them out.
Re: HINDUS CAN NEVER CO-EXIST
by Bharata Bidda on Sep 01, 2008 03:18 PM
Mr.Abhinav Are you a converted christian. It seems so. What is the amount you have taken from Missionneries to criticise the hindu religion. In your next mail, you change your name to Rev.Mr.Sinjay peter. Okey
