Already UPA government is naked and it is forcing preople to go naked and hungry due to very high inflation!! It is very amusing to know their behind the scene 'patchup formula" which is known to all of us. In other words a lunch or dinner meeting between Yachury and Sonia will end this drama by issuing a statement that in the "interest" of the country (!!) and after the elections in BJP communal ruled states are over the N-deal will be kept in cold storage (earlier it was Karnataka elections!!).Finally,give credit to Sonia for having "saved" UPA government!!
RE:patchup formula
by ANAND TEERTHA on Jun 24, 2008 07:02 PM
Shame on your hinglish mr.pakaya!!Try to understand their drama at the cost of the nation.
RE:RE:patchup formula
by pakaya on Jun 24, 2008 07:10 PM
Who has elected them to rule our country? Like you & me people, who have voted for few currencies and forgot about the nation.
RE:patchup formula
by ANAND TEERTHA on Jun 24, 2008 07:21 PM
Mr.Pakaya,Mahatma Gandhi's rural economy was thrown out of the window and these idiots are follwing "fake" gandhis' policies. I have not voted for this family oriented party of idiots.We need to fight for second independence.
RE:RE:patchup formula
by amit mehta on Jun 24, 2008 07:48 PM
mr anand i think u r looking for other idiots like bjp d party who always wnt to play wit public santiments. like rammandir , ganga jal ,gohatya etc......
RE:patchup formula
by meduri seshagiri on Jun 24, 2008 07:53 PM
Both congress and thier alliance parties and Leftists are cheating the people of India since last four years.they are not bothering about essential commodities prices.Even they are not in a position to take measures of internal security of india.Now adays common man can not maintain family with these rates of all commodities.Only they are scoring alltime score in inflation.Better to through this fools in bay of bengal and save the country.
UPA-Left meet on Wednesday; Left rejects allies' formula :
Any one kindly tell me why I am still living living alone, why? suppose i was member of left party, please tell me what is my futures when i shall be prsident of INDIA?
RE:stand off on nuclear deal with US
by mailme alladin on Jun 24, 2008 06:57 PM
Akhilesh, I think ur Sonia is not as brave as Mallika to go ahead with the deal.
RE:stand off on nuclear deal with US
by Hate Who divides on Jun 24, 2008 07:09 PM
God grace Sonia has not done this ........ otherwise she may bestripped like Malika by LEFT ...... atleast I dont want to see her in that condition in old age
RE:stand off on nuclear deal with US
by Hemant on Jun 24, 2008 06:53 PM
why r u calling her JI r u her servant. That woman must leave India immediately , we can sort out problem of N deal ourselves, foreigners can not sort out india's problems
RE:stand off on nuclear deal with US
by Hate Who divides on Jun 24, 2008 06:51 PM
she is not going to marry with you .............so dont comment publicly if you cannot justify
RE:stand off on nuclear deal with US
by pakaya on Jun 24, 2008 07:02 PM
she is like your M*other, please give respect to any lady and elders, this is Indian Culture.
One popular FM channel in India - did a SMS survey amoung professionals in Bombay, Delhi and Bangalore. Apart from saying if you support the deal or not, then responded were requested to send their profession, qualification and college name. It was found those who supported the deal about 80% of them passed out from private colleges where you need to pay capitaion fee. 90% of these 80% work in IT.
RE:SMS Poll Result
by mailme alladin on Jun 24, 2008 06:56 PM
Some of them responded saying - sometimes 1 or 2 work the whole night and the central AC for the whole building remain turned on for them.
If Congress and BJP both parties are in favour of the Indo-US nuclear deal. The question is why these parties are not coming together aor the benefit of the nation. The top leaders should think over this issue and resolve it. There is inflation in the country and the political parties are fighting for this US nuclear 123 agreement.
Nuclear Deal is definitely good for India. It would provide electricity and power to people living in the country. We, still live in a country wherein power-cuts are a norm even in the big Metroes like Mumbai, Chennai etc. let alone the villages wherein sometimes there is no power at all for days together or there is power only for a few hours in the day. This is prevalent in very much in West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand. Clearly these states will benefit from the Nuclear Deal. And if congress does implement it perhaps the Left would loose their grip on these states. Maybe Left is worried that Congress would not require them in the future.
In the scenario of Global Warming the nuclear energy provides us clean and green energy without damaging the environment. And left is suggesting that we build coal power stations which are the worst polluters. This proves how EDUCATED these Left party members are. Yes, we need clean and green energy and we should build more nuclear, hydal, wind power stations. We could also use coal but not totally rely on it.
On the other hand the government should things in BLACK and WHITE as to how the HYDE act may impact the 123 agreement. There seems to be a mist regarding it. If this clears then maybe Left may let it implement it.
Surely, everybody in India must have heard the joke about the Indian crab who never come out of the basket/jar. The Left has proved that this is TRUE and not a JOKE.
RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by Kaushal Sah on Jun 24, 2008 06:54 PM
On the other hand we need to also ensure that our Nuclear weapons program remain intact for our integrity and security. From the media reports though the 123 agreement considers only producing energy and that we will have some nuclear plants under the inspection of IAEA and some for our other Nuclear program, if we can continue with our program then this DEAL will be a boon for India.
From the media reports and other sources little knowledge which I have the 123 agreement is not binding with the HYDE-act. If this is the case then we should go ahead and sign the deal.
On the question of should there be a need to have another Nuclear test. My opinion on that is if we needed one the surely our Ex-President Mr. Kalam would not ahve supported the deal. Dont think anybody would debate that for He knows more than any of us over here in this forum.
The question over here is, do we really need to perform another nuclear test? There is a BIG difference btw a MUST HAVE and a NICE TO HAVE scenario?
Btw, anybody disagreeing with me will automatically deemed as an Indian crab.
RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by Biswapriya Purkayastha on Jun 24, 2008 07:00 PM
Btw, anybody disagreeing with me will automatically deemed as an Indian crab.
Spoken like a true Quisling in the pay of he American Empire. Remember "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists"?
I shall consider myself at liberty to consider you as a traitor, then.
RE:RE:RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by Kaushal Sah on Jun 24, 2008 07:35 PM
I am happy to accept the title of traitor by you. For this is for thinking good for OUR country and I shall take it with honour.
Hope you remember our history, Gandhi and Bhagat Singh's views didn't match but their objective was the same.
RE:RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by muralee krishna on Jun 24, 2008 07:00 PM
please do not call anybody crabs. our biggest fm, pm, rbi governor, and Ms sonia gandhi, none of them celebrated about appreciation of rupee. not even they have passed any comment about being doing good job. they were merely surprised by the things going in. everyone knows that by the way of rupee appreciation. indian govt. gets benefit as because it needs to pay less for imports which is always higher.
so do we need to call them crabs. hence, those highest decision makings should be left to the technocrats to make a forum and suggest whether nuclear deal is of any benefit or is it going to cost more than it can deliver.
RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by Master on Jun 24, 2008 07:03 PM
The nuclear waste though small in quantity, is extremely hazardous. Moreover, a nuclear power plant requires extreme high security compared to other sources, especially in India, where we hear stories of spying quiet frequently. My reasoning though is purely for technical side. But it looks like the commi opposition is to keep their chinese masters happy and not much on technical grounds.
RE:RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by Kaushal Sah on Jun 24, 2008 07:40 PM
Yes, nuclear waste is hazardous. And I TOTALLY agree with it. And yes a higher security is required for Nuclear plants. But, how are other countries doing it? If I am not wrong is a reprocessing technology also available now, thereby minizing the nuclear waste. I am guessing I maybe wrong on this.
RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by kejay on Jun 24, 2008 06:43 PM
senior scientists strongly opposed Government seeking the IAEA Board approval.
"We are strongly of the opinion that the Government should not proceed to seek IAEA Board approval for the current draft safeguards agreement, until its implications are debated more fully within the country, or at least within the UPA-Left Committee," they said.
In a joint statement, P K Iyengar, former chairman of Atomic Energy Commission, A Gopalakrishnan, former head of Atomic Energy Regulatory Board and A N Prasad, former Director of Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, said that the agreement should also be discussed with a group of experts who were not party to the IAEA negotiations.
RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by muralee krishna on Jun 24, 2008 06:55 PM
Dear Kaushal Sah
It is terrible that still you donot follow the american motives.
why at all the act should be hidden why cannot be put in public. As these agreements not only effect india and america, their implications will be felt throughout developing and developed nations.
America always does things in double standards. They never have a unique policy, they always wants better things for them.
In this deal america wants get rid of its old and used technological equipment at the highest cost to india. and put control on china by taking india into its grip.
simple reasons is that the whole episode of spiralling prices, is simply because dollar is weak and american's are controlling the oil prices, this has been openly said by the iran's top leaders.
why cannot the government put this thing in open debate. what is there to be hidden....
RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by Kaushal Sah on Jun 24, 2008 07:11 PM
Muralee,
I think I have clearly stated that the Government should make things clear in BLACK and WHITE. My opinion is unbaised.
There is no rocket science that America wants India support to contain China. Tell me one thing do you see that as wrong? Are you happy to give away Arunachal Pradesh and parts of Sikkim to China? Which the Chinese PLA have been continuous intruding? We do have things to gain ourselves.
Regarding, America getting rid of it's old and used technology, I cant debate for I do have any knowledge about that. But seems you have insiders information from the White House.
As far as American double standards are concerned, well surely you would agree with me that every country has double standards this includes India as well. A simple scenrio, on one side we have India, Pakistan and Iran working on the gas pipeline from Iran and on other side India working on the Nuclear deal with the US. Isn't that double standards considering the current political scenario between US and Iran. Sure you are intelligent enough to see this.
RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by Bill Chakravarti on Jun 24, 2008 07:46 PM
For your information, and to many others in this boat, the 123 Agreement was VERY publicly accessible for quite some time on the home page of The Hindu. To all Left party supporters, stop feighning ignorance as a ruse for drumming up frenzied conspiracy theories when you know full well what is in it. I don't care whether India has a nuke with the US or not, but the Left should at least be honest. Left parties don't even have the courage to be in government and be counted for decision making, so why should they be respected? They survive by blackmail. Pandering to the Left's actions amount to ruinous management of national affairs. The UPA allies are, however, most to blame for this pandering to the Left's blackmail tactics. You have all dodged the nuke deal issue and always put it away into the "too hard basket" and opted for short term political quick-fixes. Now your failed quick fixes have come to bite you in your backsides in the form of high inflation, low foreign investments, slow economic growth, inadequate infrastructure investments, useless long-term clamate change policies and so forth. Because of this you are now even too scared to face elections, fearing loss to BJP. Shame on you. You people lack scruples and definitely don't have leadership qualities. Your lack of leadership on this matter is embarassing India in the eyes of the world. INDIA NEEDS TO GO TO ELECTIONS TO WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN BY GETTING A PEOPLE"S VERDICT ON THIS IMPORTANT MATTER.
RE:Nuclear Deal vs Left Parties
by anuj agarwal on Jun 24, 2008 06:50 PM
Kaushal Ji aap ko to koi American Think Tank join kar lena hai. Aap to bahut intelligent hai.
"when we complete our pending business with the board of "IAEA" governors of the international body, India loses all opportunities to mend the things. The US then can take initiative on its own on the next step at the Nuclear Suppliers Group." So we will be at the mercy of US govt., which could neglect India as the next Govt there will be democrats, who will not be interested in what Bush had proposed. So, these wise guys are dragging us into shit. Who are these congees fooling? and for what? they need this deel urgently as this deal gets them much needed US republican (Bush) funds to contest in the next General elections, before Bush is voted out. Why do these guys care for India, when they had not cared all these years?
I pity people who think US wants to control India, its utter nonsense whoever says evr thinks they dont have enough brains US cant even control Afghanistan and IRAQ for that matter and forget about India, India is is too big for them to handle, they just want another force in Asia to challenge the Chinese, its simple they are not doing any favour to us they also have their own interest in it like I mentioned above, and thats to our advantage why not make hay while the sunshines we should take advantage of this and buy the time to come out with alternatives for energy. Remember India on its own can never be a Ace, and India cannot look forward to chinese as their friends because they are more dangerous then USA, one would never know when this chinks would stab you in your back. Dont forget one more thing most of the money come to India from US, more then 50% of remittances come from US alone and India in 2007 alone had a remmitance amounting around 28 billion $'s so stop thinking US as devil may be it is but not in our case, in our case they want to use us as counter power for China if they want to use us then why not we also use them and make the most out of it. We as Indians are good but we still have long way to go. US is more worried about the challenge that it faces from China. To counter that challenge there is no other country then India who can pose against China, we lack behind by miles but we are good enough to bring them back where they were before.
RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by Kannan S on Jun 24, 2008 06:46 PM
So when it comes to India and Pakistan.. US will always choose India.. Is it what you are trying to say?
RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by truthandonlytruth on Jun 24, 2008 07:02 PM
u ask a very very naive equation. This shows that the intuition part in brain has been blasted. Grow up to think man...!! Pakistan is a stopper for India from US perspective. Also, Pakistan is an indirect base for US in the name of war against terror ( read as Al Qaida ). India knows about it and Bush himself quoted that India and Pakistan share different backgrounds and histories and wanted us as strategy point and not as base. India can keenly use this opportunity and need not remain conservative by shouting that she is not aligned with any one. That Nehruvian funda is a stink and never starter.
RE:RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by Hell Boy on Jun 24, 2008 07:39 PM
Someone only uses you only when you allow him to use you, when you talk about how Pakistan is used by US you need to be a naive like me and check the economies of Pakistan and India and you can see a answer why US can use Pakistan and it cannot use India. So let that thought of US using India out of your mind and think how you can use US to go where you want to be. Dont just count on the negatives but also see what can be the positives although they wont be that easy. No one over here is that fool to get used but in every business some one uses someone.
RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by Hell Boy on Jun 24, 2008 07:02 PM
Ofcourse they would, even they chose Pakistan as their allies in this war of terror they were not that stupid about it, they knew pakistan was the core so they picked them carefully so that they could have more access to their region and because they shouldnt face any opposition from other neighbouring countries from Afghanistan, in which case the closest was pakistan, one example do you see that now when the new government of pakistan started opposing America on this war of terror they just hastened up things along the border and when the time came they didnt even bothered to kill the pakistani soldiers.
RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by Hate Who divides on Jun 24, 2008 07:00 PM
I agree with what ever you had mentioned above ............... But the question is why they are playing cards like NPT,IAEA and Anti Iranian ............. why there is clause regarding showing Domestic Nuclear stock pile , Fissile material .....if you read these clause you will feel they want to curb down NUclear arsenal .........and why india is not impoting Thorium Technologu???????? .......... These are question in people mind
RE:RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by Hell Boy on Jun 24, 2008 07:18 PM
I agree with you that India should use the thorium technology, but that the the part which literraly messed up, We should have created superfast thorium breeding reactors, because thorium needs to go through three cycles before it can be processed and used as energy resource or a weapon grade material, showing domestic nuclear stock pile is to make sure that the Fissile materials that would be used or imported for clean energy under this deal should not be used for purpose of creating weapons of mass destruction. India cannot import Nuclear technology materials directly from a proper supplier unless we sign the deal and all the NSG members agree to supply us with the technology. These questions are right and i think governemnt should have been more open on this. The part to think here is we wont get any Uranium from NSG unless they agree, not even our greatest ally Russia would supply us uranium. Thats the reason they are also asking us to sign the deal and everybody knows that Russia is not pro US. so isnt that a point to think.
RE:RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by Hell Boy on Jun 24, 2008 07:22 PM
So which country is not doing business, i never said that America waged a war on Iraq to find weapons of Mass destruction, I said they cant even control Afghanistan and Iraq and India is far beyond their reach to be controlled, and when you talk about Assian Union how much can you trust China, they are not trustworthy at all, you can say about Pakistan what they would do next but not about China they are Expansionists.
RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by bency gopalakrishnan on Jun 24, 2008 07:11 PM
Hell boy, ur observations are interesting..but there are some problems.. According to Economic review,the 2 countries who are going to become most fast developing economy in next 25 years are China & India. China already got a good market.India is growing in slow pace.. So what USA really want is to take the whole market of India under it's custody.Just remember how soon Macdonalds & other American companies make their market in India. USA don't want to attack India or do any war.They want economic colonisation.American companies already stared to eat Indian companies.And this will later lead to USA monopoly in Indian market. USA was never India's friend.Just remember the Bengladesh war time,when American president Nixon openly supported Pakistan & even try to send Army.But it was India's friend USSR,who stopped this act & helped India to win. "more then 50% of remittances come from US alone"??? This is a wrong statement.India's remittance mostly come from middle east Islamic nations where more than 62 million Indians works. Through the N deal USA want only 2 things. 1)India must support USA in their futre wars,like the one the done in Iraq & Afganistan(India didnot support USA in both wars) 2)Indian nuclear developments must be under their secret eyes..
Just remember the fact that USA is still the biggest supplier of arms to Pakistan.
RE:RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by Hell Boy on Jun 24, 2008 07:28 PM
I you see that friend then you are wrong, how do you think Chinas Economy boomed, which is the biggest country which imports the chinese goods its USA, they were the one to sky rocket their economy how did they got their manufacturing power if you see most of the American companies moved into China, with all this tell me onething do you feel or see anyways China under US control I dont think so. What the chinese did was they took as much advantage as they could and see where they stand today.
RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by tichkule bhaskar on Jun 24, 2008 08:09 PM
Hell Boy, Above all discussion is really very interesting.
Everybody has put their respective opinion.Most of the people right also in their opinion. But what i felt that You have given most logical answer. From your post i reached for the conclusion that America is having their personal things to get from the deal like other countries in the world. I agreed but we, as a india we have to see our benifit. We can move along with the time and we can take our own decision along with time and this is only the way to put more forward ourselves. If we say America will use us against china. But the logic is that as we know ,America can use us against china so we can prepared oueselves not to put in that way because we know. This is only intelligency. By getting a deal, we can benifit in good proportion. I agree there are some drawback but at same time we have to be ready to find the solution so that we can get more affected by the same. Now i got a good point of view that we can go for the deal. I am not congressi or BJP person. Thanks to all.
RE:RE:Left or Chnese Dog's
by tichkule bhaskar on Jun 24, 2008 08:13 PM
Sorry, Correction: To find solution so that can not get more affected by the same
