Sabarimalai Sastha or Ayyapa is a sylvan god worshipped by the credulous Hindus of Kerala and Tamil Nadu in India. He is the son born to Siva and Vishnu as a result of a homosexual act.
To escape from the curse of the powerful demon Durwasa, all the gods joined together and churned the milky ocean to gather "Amrut"-a butter-like ambrosia. They collected the "Amrut" in a pot, and kept it to be served at a heavenly feast. An Asura (demon) from the nether world stole the pot of " Amrut from Develoka. When the loss of the ambrosia was detected, the omniscient Vishnu was able to know where it was. He went to the nether world in the guise of Mohini, a woman of exquisite beauty, and brought and back the "Amrut" and served it to the gods. When Mohini was serving the Amrut, Shiva got intoxicated with her beauty and had sexual intercourse with her, who was in reality Vishnu. Vishnu became pregnant as a result of the homosexual act, and gave birth to Sastha from his thigh. Both Shiva and Vishnu discarded this un-naturally born illegitimate child in the forests of Sabarimalai in Kerala.
These Message was posted by Someone Else.I Just Want Clarification From JGN..Can we Discuss it?
RE:My Beloved Brother JGN Please Note!!
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 05:51 PM
Yesterday itself I had clarified to you that the above portion is from the book, Gods Demons and Spirits by world renowned rationalist, the late Dr. A.T. Kovoor. He had written about other faiths also in that book. I have an original copy of that book with me. I do not get offended if some one question the superstitions, like you.
RE:My Beloved Brother JGN Please Note!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 05, 2008 06:09 PM
Sabarimalai Sastha or Ayyapa is a sylvan god worshipped by the credulous Hindus of Kerala and Tamil Nadu in India. He is the son born to Siva and Vishnu as a result of a homosexual act.
To escape from the curse of the powerful demon Durwasa, all the gods joined together and churned the milky ocean to gather "Amrut"-a butter-like ambrosia. They collected the "Amrut" in a pot, and kept it to be served at a heavenly feast. An Asura (demon) from the nether world stole the pot of " Amrut from Develoka. When the loss of the ambrosia was detected, the omniscient Vishnu was able to know where it was. He went to the nether world in the guise of Mohini, a woman of exquisite beauty, and brought and back the "Amrut" and served it to the gods. When Mohini was serving the Amrut, Shiva got intoxicated with her beauty and had sexual intercourse with her, who was in reality Vishnu. Vishnu became pregnant as a result of the homosexual act, and gave birth to Sastha from his thigh. Both Shiva and Vishnu discarded this un-naturally born illegitimate child in the forests of Sabarimalai in Kerala.
These Message was posted by Someone Else.I Just Want Clarification From JGN..Can we Discuss it?
RE:My Beloved Brother JGN Please Note!!
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 05:49 PM
Dear Ismail Sayyed, you are at your favourate game. Pl don't abuse other faiths if you cannot tolerate criticism for your faith.
You know very well that I am an atheist and do not have any hesitation in writing about any faith (including hinduism).
RE:RE:My Beloved Brother JGN Please Note!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 05, 2008 05:55 PM
U r accusing me that i am abusing.Then what u r doing.. Why U hate us so much.. Live & Let live ..
Mr.JGN....please cotact me....let us have a debate. It's our duty to eradicate the misconceptions about Islam....let us have a public debate....we will make u clear. PLease contact ibnameer@rediffmail.com; We hope you are courageous enough to contact me....if u wish, Letz have few mail transactions.
RE:@JGN
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 05:36 PM
You are most welcome. Pl post your comments here itself so that others like me also can read and understand the same. Btw pl don't copy from some Islamic Site (like that of Dr. Zakir Naik) and post here. I have seen them. And also I have read 2 versions (English translations of The Koran) and know for sure what its contents are!
RE:@JGN
by Ibnameer on Feb 05, 2008 05:47 PM
Rediff allows only 1500 characters to type.......I'm busy to reply you at this time. Let me reply all your queries and misconceptions at avilable time. Please contact my mail id........I'm happy to know that u have gone through IRF website.....incase if u r not convinced we have enough cd's and books to send to u....plus if u want u can have a direct debate....or telephonic conversation.
RE:RE:@JGN
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 05:57 PM
Dear veera, don't worry. You do not know me. That is why you feel that anybody will be able to convince me about the existence of any god!
RE:@JGN
by veera on Feb 05, 2008 05:59 PM
@JGN i know u as a hardcore atheists and all i suggested was that Muslims here take this as an opportunity to convince u that Islam is the best ..... i know very well that u are strong in ur ideology ....
RE:RE:@JGN
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 05:40 PM
And also pl keep in mind that I am an Atheist and do not believe in the dogmas of any religion nor in any God.
RE:RE:@JGN
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 05:55 PM
Dear Veera, I do not beleive all Muslims are fanatics. I have a few friends who are atheists and a few who believe in Allah (but their religiosity is limited to going to the Mosque on Fridays and keeping Roza during Ramzan).
I have a strong feeling that most of the muslims have not read The Koran in a language they fully understand and that is the reason why they believe that "Islam is a religion of peace, etc"
RE:Modi says India's development is possible in Gujarat way. He aims mothers and sisters abdomen development.
by Confused Mind on Feb 05, 2008 04:34 PM
What does Buddhadev say, after Nandigram and playing fire with Taslima. Rescently, Maheshweta Devi, said he is the biggest fundamentalist. You mediocre, spineless, moron -- back again with your stupid rants ...
RE:RE:Modi says India's development is possible in Gujarat way. He aims mothers and sisters abdomen development.
by Sahadevan KK on Feb 05, 2008 04:42 PM
Policy to divide, beat, rape and kill for political gain
RE:RE:RE:Modi says India's development is possible in Gujarat way. He aims mothers and sisters abdomen development.
by Confused Mind on Feb 05, 2008 04:43 PM
That is exactly what Buddha did, you are right?
RE:Kandahar is BJP's development
by Nostra Damus on Feb 05, 2008 05:21 PM
i wonder who is responsible for Sahadevan's develoopment ? He/She did a very bad job !
RE:Kandahar is BJP's development
by Mars on Feb 05, 2008 06:35 PM
Guys, Sahadevan is back! This commie was recuperating after Gujarat and HP election result.
Sahadevan KeKda - is not a development - he is underdevelopment.
You are not fostering tolerance when you deride our native culture day in and day out. Islam is more of a politicial ideology than a religion. It is Arab imperialism. The Arbas do not consider the Indian and Pakistani muslims as equal to them (now don't ask me to quote relevant verses from The Koran).
What "brother-hood" (Ummah) are you talking about? The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (the so-called repository of Islamic faith) and Pakistan (a country specially created for the Muslims) are the biggest supporters of USA in anihilating your co-religionists in West Asia. Why don't you protest against them rather than the predominently peace-loving majority community in India???????? If the majority of Hindus were supporters of RSS/BJP, Mr. L.K. Advani would have been the PM of our Country instead of Dr. Manmohan Singh!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by Ibnameer on Feb 05, 2008 05:18 PM
Mr.JGN....please cotact me....let us have a debate. It's our duty to eradicate the misconceptions about Islam....let us have a public debate....we will make u clear. PLease contact ibnameer@rediffmail.com; We hope you are courageous enough to contact me....if u wish, Letz have few mail transactions.
RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by Cricket fan on Feb 05, 2008 04:06 PM
What Arab say we won't follow, What Prophet Mohammad (SAS)says we follow.Also Koran says all human being are same. We are not agains INdia or Indian constitution. We are aginast MODIS and ADVANIS and RSS, SS, MNS. We also want to be in peace not on the cost of our faith. Please try to understand Islam.
RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 04:07 PM
This is what your glorious Qur'ran says: * God sealed the heart of non-believers, great penalty (2:7) * Even if some believe, God does not trust them (2:8) * In their heart is a disease, God has increased the disease (2:10) * Unbelievers make mischief on earth (2:11,12) * Wander like blind ones (2:15) * Deaf, dumb and blind (2:18) * The fuel of fire is men and stones (2:24) * Be apes (2:65) * Most grievous punishment (2:81,104) * Penalty shall not be lightened (2:86) * God curses the blasphemers (2:88) * God curses those without faith (2:89) * God's wrath and humiliating punishment (2:90) * God is an enemy to those who reject faith (2:98) * Disgrace and exceeding torment for unbelievers (2:114) * Companion of blazing fire (2:119) * Only Islam is acceptable (3:85) * Punishment for rejecting faith (3:91) * No friends from outsiders (3:118) * God makes some one more sinful so he can be punished more (3:178) * Punishment for apostates (3:86-88, 3:90, 4:137, 16:106) * Torment for non-believers (4:56) * Kill non-believers (4:89) * Non-believers go to hell (4:140, 7:36) * Partial believers will go to hell too (4:150) * No friendship with non-believers (3:28, 4:144) * Severe punishment for atheists (5:10, 5:86) * No friendship with Jews, Christians (5:51) * Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth (6:25, 110) * God could guide, if chose to, but He did not
RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 04:16 PM
Have you read The Koran? The Skeptics Annotated Bible/Quran has category-wise verses like Absurdities, Contradictions, Hatred, etc. Pl read that and then comment.
RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by Cricket fan on Feb 05, 2008 04:24 PM
I know koran thats whyI am a muslim, U also read with positive mind Insha-Allah u will also be convinced.
RE:RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 04:28 PM
Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 2:161
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167
Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171
Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
Do unto those who attack you like they did unto you. 2:194
RE:RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 04:33 PM
Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
"Guard us from the punishment of Fire." 3:16
Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
"They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32
Allah preferred Adam, Noah, the Family of Abraham, and the Family of 'Imran above all His creatures. 3:33
RE:RE:RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 04:34 PM
Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
Disbelievers will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:87-88
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
"Ye were upon the brink of an abyss of fire, and He did save you from it." 3:103
Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
RE:RE:RE:RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by shahab ahmad khan on Feb 05, 2008 05:30 PM
Mr. JGN, what u have searched with ur negative mind in Quran e Pak, if you can discuss with an aalim like Dr. Zakir Naik, Inshallah u will find all the answers in a very simple language. I m sure that will be enough to make u convinced.
RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by JGN on Feb 05, 2008 04:39 PM
Cricket fan,
>>>>A peacfull life here and hereafter..........there is no life here-after. Every thing ends here. The Paradise existed only in the fertile imagination of Mohammed. Do not blow yourself up or harm others for getting the "rewards" in the life here-after!
RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by shahab ahmad khan on Feb 05, 2008 05:28 PM
Mr. JGN, what u have searched with ur negative mind in Quran e Pak, if you can discuss with an aalim like Dr. Zakir Naik, Inshallah u will find all the answers in a very simple language. I m sure that will be enough to make u convinced.
RE:Muslim friends, pl note
by Cricket fan on Feb 05, 2008 04:36 PM
May Allah bless you to Read Koran and Hadis with Positive mind. Insha-Allah you will be convinced for message of Islam- A peacfull life here and hereafter
