It must be 500 years of "dhimmitude" under Islamic rule and another 200 years of British colonial rule that has shaped our Hindu elite - ruling us now. They are so ignorant of, and opposed to, Hinduism and its long history. Tarun is right about the inspiration Sri Rama can provide. Only Hindus should be ready to receive it. The ruling class of Hindus are today inspired by "Money-theism" - Not Ram. Read the post by Ved Gautam. You will know the compulsions over this Sethu Project. People without any real cultural roots. They understand only money. Indian democracy has made these people important. Says they are leaders. Everyone has come under their power.
Hindus need to get a feeling of "Biradhri" in matters like the Ram Sethu and in others. Or else, we will become "voting fodder" for this greedy creature called "Indian Politics". Why should we continue to keep in power the Nehruvites, Marxists and Psuedo-secularists? What have they achieved for India in last 60 years they have been in power?
RE:Refusal to draw inspiration from Hinduism
by Tamil natan on Aug 03, 2008 03:16 AM
Thambi, Forget about your so called North India past- I assume you leave in TN now. Ram is not as popular as it is in states like UP. Here Sivaism is the main religion- so do understand that Ram is not considered a God here. But on the other hand Krishna is - and nobody will say anything on Krishna- but Ram with specially the Dravidian/Aryan controversy and Aryan conqeuring - the black dravidian etc etc (by the way, I am no a stereotype Tamil type, but I am proud of being Tamil)- you at least should understand that Ram will be a foreigner here.
So cut this crap- I assume you understand Sanskrit as well - then you will understand that Hindusim is more co0mplex and Rich than the Ram mythology.
So donot be an ass- and also be a Tamil - and donot be ashame where you were born.
RE:RE:Refusal to draw inspiration from Hinduism
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 03, 2008 12:32 PM
Mr. Tamil natan,
Just because your great saint Swami Ramasamy Naicker talked nonsense about Ram being an Aryan and Ravana being a Dravidian, why would that mean that Ram is a foreigner in Tamil Nadu?
Would you consider any north Indian who comes to Tamil Nadu a foreigner? I did not know when you guys have declared independance.
What the great EVR failed to note, perhaps deliberately, that Ravana was in fact an Aryan, well-versed in all scriptures, and that Ram has been described as dark-skinned. He seemed to have known that there would be enough gullible fools among Tamils to fall for his lies, and think of themselves - Dravidians - as separate from, and superior to, the "barbaric Aryan" North Indians. It appears that he was not too wrong.
RE:Refusal to draw inspiration from Hinduism
by Thermostat on Aug 03, 2008 02:37 PM
Mr. Devavrata,
Your earlier posts were OK, but this one is not.
Why are u surprised about a North Indian being a foreigner in South India. Do you assume that it was ONE INDIA before british came. The INDIA we know today is a collection of many nations/kingdoms spread over this subcontinent.
North and South are different. We do not want to FIGHT over it, or be enemies, but atleast acknowledge it. in same way, the NORTH EAST is alien to mainstrean India. The sooner we acknowledgeit, the better.
this INDEPENDENT INDIA is only 50-60 year old and this forcefull collection of nations only 200-300 yrs old. otherwise we are like EUROPE...independent nations.
RE:Refusal to draw inspiration from Hinduism
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 03, 2008 06:07 PM
Mr. Thermostat,
Thanks for your response.
What do you think makes a "nation"? Race, language or religion? I think a nation is made by people who share a culture. And the culture of India is Hindu and has been Hindu for millenia.
The concept of state is different. The state is a political organisation working with the broad assent of the people constituting a nation or nations. While states change, a nation remains the same.
What you say is true - the Hindu nation was earlier organised into different kingdoms, and that state was superceded by the Indian state 60 years ago. And Bharat, as a cultural unit, was not formed 200-300 years ago, but much before that.
Of course North, South, East, West are all different, and no one is saying they are not. But that does not mean that a person from one part should be thought of and treated like a foreigner in another part - not only because we are all citizens of the Indian state, but because the genius of Hindu civilization has allowed us all to retain our own sub-cultures, yet feel integrated into a larger nation.
Lastly, my post above was mainly in response to Mr. Tamil natan who said that Krishna is fine, but Ram is a foreigner. I asked him if the nonsense that EVR peddled made the nonsense true. What do you think?
RE:Refusal to draw inspiration from Hinduism
by Vivek on Aug 07, 2008 08:56 PM
Perhaps Mr Tamil Natan feels that their state is more closely linked to another continent than this sub-continent.
Tarun has covered every aspect of Setu politics but misses one important aspect.It is compulsion of coalition politics.Karuna is there with 17 MPs.He must be kept happy.Karuna must have canal and must demolish RAM whose idol used to be beaten by shoes by his mentor Naicker.For the canal Karuna has accepted millions from the contractors who have been given contracts.then the dredging of the canal will again involve millions to the party in power and Karuna thinks he will be in power always and ever. We must understand these compulsions.Ram is not imp.He will not give a single MP to anyone.Hindus dont care and there are no Hindus left in tha country.we r only yadavs,Jats,Chamars,Gujjars,Banias,Rajputs. Jai Hind
Dear Sir , Here Tarun Vijay ji written article which is very worthy and high standard and given full information . The UPA Government playing politics with inocent Hindus.The Government of India should protect the Ram setu. Panchanan Agrawalla, Bhubaneswar D
RE:UPA Govt. playing politics with inocent Hindus in the Ram setu issue
by Bodh Ramdeo on Aug 02, 2008 09:43 PM
What 'innocent Hindus' - these shits are mo innocents, but are up to their necks in complicity with the Commie-Islamo-Xtian forces bent on destroying every vestige of Hindu traditions and culture. These so-called innocent Hindus allow themselves to become the loyal creatures of selfish Goons whose interests are just the opposite of theirs, all the while claiming 'secularism' as their ideal. Hindus are responsible for their own demise, because they don't even know, far less understand, the concept of unity, discipline maturity and personal honor- they've been reduced to squabbling, infantile, acquiescing, indolent, child-like butt-lickers. In sum, Hindus have become used to denigartion and oppression and they love it so.
RE:UPA Govt. playing politics with inocent Hindus in the Ram setu issue
by Pradip Parekh on Aug 03, 2008 10:09 AM
ramdeo ji, some times we all feel frustrated but there are signs that the hindus are rising to the task. let all hindus stand united, be determined and be courteous among them.
No one can deny the article because it is based on facts, evidences and truth and not on HYPOCRITIC principle of so called secular govt.
BUT wait .. WE NEED SOME SOLUTION to end this Rakshash Raaj (indeed they are Representative of RAVANA , no doubts).
SHal we maintain a DATABASE of all of us who share common views like this. Let us know if some one can come fwd and make a website and register all members .... or aorkut group..
I full endorse your views. Request find ways and means to spread your views across the length and breadth of the country. Expose the pseudo- secular credentials of the ruling dynastic family of the country.
RE:RAMA is SUPREME GOD
by Ta ss ee on Aug 03, 2008 03:22 AM
This kind of thinking exists between a few like us, but majority doesnt think like that. People who deride their own culture will face their own peril.When tsunami stuck TN thoght its CM will learn some lessons of what hapened at Tiruchendur Temple where Lord Varuna had given a boon to Lord Subrahmanya that he wont enter the temple premises.Some will argue this as coincidence and its these people who are a curse,cant help it
RE:He is really crazy
by Ram Sharma on Aug 02, 2008 02:31 PM
Boya Ped Babul Ka to Aam Kanha se Hoi. If u throw venom on Hindus, u should b prepared expect the same. This is called action & reaction as per Newton's law. Everyone will not take things in same manner.
RE:RE:He is really crazy
by Save Tiger on Aug 02, 2008 08:26 PM
Ram Sharma, You are a mullah hiding under hindu name.Why ? are your ashamed of your identity ? You cant fool people with fake names.Readers are wise enough to differentiate.
RE:He is really crazy
by Common Man on Aug 02, 2008 02:11 PM
I ahve read ur previous messages and after that only I am saying that ur a mullah inciting NOW inciting the christians against the Hindus
RE:RE:He is really crazy
by Ram Sharma on Aug 02, 2008 02:32 PM
Boya Ped Babul Ka to Aam Kanha se Hoi. If u throw venom on Hindus, u should b prepared expect the same. This is called action & reaction as per Newton's law. Everyone will not take things in same manner.
RE:RE:RE:He is really crazy
by Avinash on Aug 02, 2008 02:43 PM
Mr.Ram Sharma, don't bother to even respond to such persons. They are posting hate filled messages just to instigate others.
RE:He is really crazy
by Avinash on Aug 02, 2008 02:42 PM
>>>>>>this is what you guys do after gaining our trust.......whose trust are you talking about? It was the Islamic invaders and Christian missionaries/colonizers who deceived the natives of India after they were allowed entry into our country for carrying out trading.
RE:now hindus need muslim support to fight against christians
by Bharat on Aug 02, 2008 02:14 PM
We have Mother-marry-Sonia the virgin and Maseha Raul baba, they are enough for you.
RE:now hindus need muslim support to fight against christians
by Ram Sharma on Aug 02, 2008 01:56 PM
Anothr foolish & baseless anti Hindu venom from crazy!
