Muslims are victims of Islam. They cannot even leave it because they will be killed if they do. Islam is a curse not only to muslims but it is a worldwide menace. Please visit historyofjihad dot com There is a section on India.
Ask KPS Gill which Freedom he is talking of? Freedom to Bum-pinch your lady colleagues? Remember the RUPAM DEOL-BAJAJ Bum pinching incident where he was found to have committed this indecency
RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by Vasim Modak on Apr 21, 2008 03:07 AM
Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8 Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas Bhavishya Purana, Parv - III Khand 1 Adhay 3 Shloka 21-23 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas known as Kuntap Sukta verses 1-13 Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6 Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9 Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8 Dear brother Sunil, Please read the above mentioned verses from your own scriptures and then its ALL upto you to decide hwats good for you...Read them find out the meanings of these verses and compare it..with Muhammad PBUH..if you still o not get convinced that Muhammad has been prophesised in your own books(rather if you do not wish to be convinced then) ...Its all upto you. There never can be any compulsion in Islam because its given so in the Qur'an ITS ALL UPTO YOUR FREE WILL...
RE:RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by Lotan Potan on Apr 21, 2008 03:11 AM
How can it be free will if Quran says non muslims will burn in hell? If I come to you with a gun and tell you to either touch my feet or I will blow your brains, am I giving you free will?
RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by Vasim Modak on Apr 21, 2008 03:15 AM
This free will guaranty is only for this life..after death everyone's fate gets sealed be it you or me...Its like an exam paper...till you write the answers, you can write whatever...once the paper gets over, the examiner is the BOSS he can fail you/ pass you...same way if you believe in One Creator and his last prophet, you pass thats what the ONE GOD has said...Nothing more nothing less...
RE:RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by Lotan Potan on Apr 21, 2008 03:18 AM
So now you are trapped. You are essentially saying that the creator is like a BOSS, like Gabbar Singh of Sholay. He is a simplistic sadist who only knows binary: YOU ARE MY SLAVE = PASS, YOU DID NOT BEND AND BOW = FAIL.
Is this your idea of God? Is this how you insult the greatness of the being who created this infinite universe? I dont know which simplistic mind wrote the Quran, but I feel pity at those who degrade the concept of an infinite perfect Creator to this Goonda kind of gibberish.
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by Lotan Potan on Apr 21, 2008 03:33 AM
yes Sunil, these muslims need to understand that no compulsion in religion means that no matter which way you pursued God, if you helped the poor and weak, if you loved humanity, then you will be loved by God. Bending and Bowing is not important. These guys need to realize that freedom of religion means God will judge you by your actions and not if you compromised your conscience by accepting a man like Mohammad as a prophet.
Freedom of belif and thought is sacrosanct. BEND AND BOW IN FRONT OF ME, OR FACE ETERNAL HELL!! is not freedom of religion. That I think is why I am an Hindu and always will be a Hindu.
RE:RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 02:53 AM
I have already given these details,but doing it again so you may understand this
You should only look at Prophet's life to know this truth.At a time when the whole world was freeely practising unlimited polygamy,Muhammed lived with a single wife Khadeja throughout his prime life (up util 50).All his marriages (including with Ayesha) was after this age. He prayed most of part of his night until his legs sore,went without food for many days despite being the head of state and commanding enormous influence,not to mention his frequent fasting - do sensous men lead a life like this?
If he is really sensuos, he would have enjoyed the sexually liberal culture of Arabia?why he has to turn it upside down to the extend looking at women with ill intentions itself came to be considered as evil? why he has to be instrumental in making adultery the most heinious of crime when the rest of world (including rome,china etc) all considered this as part of their very culture?
RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by Lotan Potan on Apr 21, 2008 03:09 AM
How can a man who couldnt even rise up from the low standards of his times be prophet? The absolute fact being that if I ask my heart, I will not even want to shake hands with a man like Mohammad if he was alive today, honest truth to God.
RE:RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 03:13 AM
your perception of Prophet Muhammed is wrong.He is a mercy to mankind.The ahtred and subsequent demonization of Prophet Muhammed is actually caused by the orientalists.You hate Islamic soucres to the core,so here please find the london financial times artcile written by Karen armstrong
RE:RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 02:51 AM
your perception of Prophet Muhammed is wrong.He is a mercy to mankind.The ahtred and subsequent demonization of Prophet Muhammed is actually caused by the orientalists.You hate Islamic soucres to the core,so here please find the london financial times artcile written by Karen armstrong
RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 03:07 AM
Satanic verses is a novel using the names of prophet and his wives as a character. but what makes 1.3 billion muslims love this man much more than themselves 1400 years after his death? You should know - No one is loved like Prophet Muhammed.How could a imposter can maintain whose life is a like open book and every event of his is studied? Some how you feel confident that alisina could be telling the truth but main stream Financial times would lie because Muslims might be offended? This is a perception problem!!!
RE:RE:@Irfan - if u missed my final message for u
by Lotan Potan on Apr 21, 2008 03:13 AM
So you justify belief with numbers? Then why do you say Christianity has been changed by man when many more people take it as absolute word of God? Are you a hypocrite? 1.3 billion mean nothing. What is the combined wisdom of these 1.3 billion, cant even feed themselves, cant even make a needle on their own? Are we supposed to give credit to the belief of these 1.3 billion?
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by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 03:17 AM
Muslims have falled on bad times in this century,but your perception of Muslims and their civilization is completely untrue.
...In its first thousand years%u2014from the revelations to Muhammad in the seventh century to the great Islamic empires of the sixteenth--Islamic civilization flourished. While Europeans suffered through the Dark Ages, Muslims in such cities as Jerusalem, Damascus, Alexandria, Fez, Tunis, Cairo, and Baghdad made remarkable advances in philosophy, science, medicine, literature, and art.
Yale Univeristy press publication authored by Professors Jonathan Bloom and Sheila Blair of Boston College.
