The so called character of west and its ideals are inspired by Islam..You seem to love the west more than then next king of britain - Charles The offical british website of prince charles there he says the greatest ideals and scientific concepts of europe were taken from Islamic civilization
...Our judgement of Islam has been grossly distorted by taking the extremes to be the norm. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a serious mistake. It is like judging the quality of life in Britain by the existence of murder and rape, child abuse and drug addiction. The extremes exist, and they must be dealt with. But when used as a basis to judge a society, they lead to distortion and unfairness...
...Many of the traits on which modern Europe prides itself came to it from Muslim Spain. Diplomacy, free trade, open borders, the techniques of academic research, of anthropology, etiquette, fashion, various types of medicine, hospitals, all came from this great city of cities....
...Islam is part of our past and our present, in all fields of human endeavour. It has helped to create modern Europe. It is part of our own inheritance, not a thing apart....
RE:RE:@john Jacab
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 04:45 AM
Who is carly Fiorina? Carly Fiorina was rated as the Most powerful woman by Forbes many times and she is also one of Board of directoris of MIT see what the Hewlect Packard website on her speech.
RE:RE:@john Jacab
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 04:45 AM
Hewlett Packard CEO constrat carly fiorina shares her view on Islam in HP website itlse It is a speech given by here to Business Executives when she was Chairman of Hewlett Pakcard
...One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.
..And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration...
RE:@john Jacab
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 04:44 AM
Name muslim scientists?Just because you dont know doesnt mean they dont exist.It is a systematic intellectual pogram that erased the contribution of Muslim civilization.
Just read this indisputable resources from two most eminent websites
School of Mathematics and Statistics University of St Andrews Scotland
...Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Arabic/Islamic mathematics.Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier. In many respects mathematics studied today is far closer in style to that of the Arabic/Islamic contribution than to that of the Greeks.....
RE:RE:@john Jacab
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 04:44 AM
...In its first thousand years%u2014from the revelations to Muhammad in the seventh century to the great Islamic empires of the sixteenth--Islamic civilization flourished. While Europeans suffered through the Dark Ages, Muslims in such cities as Jerusalem, Damascus, Alexandria, Fez, Tunis, Cairo, and Baghdad made remarkable advances in philosophy, science, medicine, literature, and art.
Yale Univeristy press publication authored by Professors Jonathan Bloom and Sheila Blair of Boston College.
RE:@john Jacab
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 03:59 AM
princeofwales.gov.uk/speechesandarticles/a_speech_by_hrh_the_prince_of_wales_titled_islam_and_the_wes_425 873846.html
RE:islam fastest growing religion
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 03:58 AM
The so called character of west and its ideals are inspired by Islam..You seem to love the west more than then next king of britain - Charles The offical british website of prince charles there he says the greatest ideals and scientific concepts of europe were taken from Islamic civilization
...Our judgement of Islam has been grossly distorted by taking the extremes to be the norm. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a serious mistake. It is like judging the quality of life in Britain by the existence of murder and rape, child abuse and drug addiction. The extremes exist, and they must be dealt with. But when used as a basis to judge a society, they lead to distortion and unfairness...
...Many of the traits on which modern Europe prides itself came to it from Muslim Spain. Diplomacy, free trade, open borders, the techniques of academic research, of anthropology, etiquette, fashion, various types of medicine, hospitals, all came from this great city of cities....
...Islam is part of our past and our present, in all fields of human endeavour. It has helped to create modern Europe. It is part of our own inheritance, not a thing apart....
RE:islam fastest growing religion
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 04:22 AM
You need to understand this first
There is Quran-Which we belive as infalliable and keep that as a benchmark to verify any event in Prophet Muhammed history Then there is Hadith - which are narrations of people who saw things as happened.There are several hundred thousands of them and there are many fabrications as they are just narrations by human beings.Muslims have a very sophicated technique and apply many consistent characteristics to filter these things out. 1.If it violated with Quran -It is a fabriation 2.If there are many contradictaing events -this is a fabrication 3.If the narrator is found be unreliable and lying-This is deemed to be fabrication 4.Analaysis of text and pattern (which gave birth to crptoanalysis )and if it deviates then it is a fabrication
The last source is biographies - They are not hadiths-There are hundreds of them.The so called biographers like Tabari have writen their version of history 400 years after the death of Prophet Muhammed.We are talking about a age when there is no concept of printing.
There are many biographies and Muslims take the incidents as true only when all the major narrations corroborate with each other.
Some how islamic critics take anything that has a arabic name as a legitimate source and ask muslims to belive in it.which is wrong.
RE:islam fastest growing religion
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 04:38 AM
the issue of Rahyana doesnt exist.where is the sex slave allegation. Just because some book has arabic name doesnt mean it is infalliable-I explained this that this is not Quran,not hadith but a biograpgy written 400 years after Prophet Muhammed by hearing it from people..How can just one ofthis book can be a evidence when all other biographers have omitted this?
The people hostile to religion always tried to slander prophets - This is not happened to Prophet Muhammed alone.
Look at one of the mightiest prophet of Old testament - DAVID
But the jews have writeen using their own hands that David was seduced by a bathing women and committed adultery
Check this in Samuel 11:1
How can a prophet be a adulterer?This perverted version of the event got into bible because there is no systematic way of filtering historical events and those who want to justify their acts (esp priests) managed to attribute such heinious things to him.
RE:islam fastest growing religion
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 04:50 AM
It is never about becoming dominant. It is about surviving the impacts. For e.g. take your religion, it did not survive cultural and religious impacts over the years. If you read history you will notice that your religion exised in a big part of the world but it was not able to survive and its breathing its last in a small part of the world called India. Nepal was another place which has already succumbed. So wishful thinking is one thing and reading history and understanding the present is another. :-). Wars take place and its not the body count that decides the outcome, its the will to prevail and stop the enemy from attaining its objective that wins wars.
The traditions of any religion are multifarious. Islam has a far better record than either Christianity or Judaism of appreciating other faiths. In Muslim Spain, relations between the three religions of Abraham were uniquely harmonious in medieval Europe. The Christian Byzantines had forbidden Jews from residing in Jerusalem, but when Caliph Umar conquered the city in AD638, he invited them to return and was hailed as the precursor of the Messiah. Spencer doesn't refer to this. Jewish-Muslim relations certainly have declined as a result of the Arab-Israeli conflict, but this departs from centuries of peaceful and often positive co-existence. When discussing Muhammad's war with Mecca, Spencer never cites the Koran's condemnation of all warfare as an "awesome evil", its prohibition of aggression or its insistence that only self-defence justifies armed conflict. He ignores the Koranic emphasis on the primacy of forgiveness and peaceful negotiation: the second the enemy asks for peace, Muslims must lay down their arms and accept any terms offered, however disadvantageous. There is no mention of Muhammad's non-violent campaign that ended the conflict.
Rogerson makes it clear, for example, that the wars of conquest and the establishment of the Islamic empire after Muhammad's death were not inspired by religious ideology but by pragmatic politics. The idea that Islam should conquer the world was alien to the Koran and there was no attempt to convert Jews or Christians. Islam was fo
RE:Not so inconceivable truth about Muslims.....
by md farruq on Apr 21, 2008 03:43 AM
Islam was for the Arabs, the sons of Ishmael, as Judaism was for the descendants of Isaac and Christianity for the followers of Jesus.
Muslim tradition is multi-layered and many-faceted. Ramadan makes it clear, for example, that Muhammad did not shun non-Muslims as "unbelievers" but from the beginning co-operated with them in the pursuit of the common good. Islam was not a closed system at variance with other traditions. Muhammad insisted that relations between the different groups must be egalitarian. Even warfare must not obviate the primary duty of justice and respect.
Ramadan also makes it clear that, in the Koran, jihad was not synonymous with "holy war". The verb jihada should rather be translated: "making an effort". The first time the word is used in the Koran, it signified a "resistance to oppression" (25:26) that was intellectual and spiritual rather than militant. Muslims were required to oppose the lies and terror of those who were motivated solely by self-interest; they had to be patient and enduring. Only after the hijrah, when they encountered the enmity of Mecca, did the word jihad take connotations of self-defence and armed resistance in the face of military aggression. Even so, in mainstream Muslim tradition, the greatest jihad was not warfare but reform of one's own society and heart; as Muhammad explained to one of his companions, the true jihad was an inner struggle against egotism.
RE:RE:Not so inconceivable truth about Muslims.....
by md farruq on Apr 21, 2008 03:45 AM
The Koran teaches that, while warfare must be avoided whenever possible, it is sometimes necessary to resist humanity's natural propensity to expansionism and oppression, which all too often seeks to obliterate the diversity and religious pluralism that is God's will. If they do wage war, Muslims must behave ethically. "Do not kill women, children and old people," Abu Bakr, the first caliph, commanded his troops. "Do not commit treacherous actions. Do not burn houses and cornfields." Muslims must be especially careful not to destroy monasteries where Christian monks served God in prayer. I could just go on.........proud to be an Indian :)
American Public Broadcasting corporation had earlier released a documentary on Prophet Muhammed.Those who abuse Prophet Muhammed see this and decide whether your perception of Prophet Muhammed is fair or not
RE:Muhammed - The Legacy of Prophet
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 03:40 AM
I dont know about this Rubina name ,may be you spelt wrongly. Can you give me some evidence?
RE:RE:Muhammed - The Legacy of Prophet
by bnsl on Apr 21, 2008 03:38 AM
No one doing a documantary on your profet can tell the truth about him, because if he does he will be killed by your profet's followers.
