The author must have received a lot of money from the Chinese, just like our politicians in India( except for Jaswant Singh ). Otherwise he may be a journalist of the news-media empire of that Australian shit called Rupert Murdock, who at the age of 80 has recently married to a 20 years old Chinese agent and propagating for China through his newspapers and TV channels. There is no other reason why he is trying to discredit the cause of the Tibetan. British secret service used to guard M.K.Gandhi and thus India did not deserve freedom. This is the logic. Dalai Lama is not important, but the causes of the freedom movement of Tibet, East Turkistan, Manchuria, Inner Mongolia and Taiwan are important. China is an Imperialist Racist country. Those who support China are supporting Imperialism.
RE:China is am Imperialist country.
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 02:19 PM
Indians like you have lost values .You call GandhiJi a traitor.Thats where india is going nowdays becoming more Hindu Oriented and hate filled against muslims in particular.Now one can see why so much of hatered .One who gave you the so called freedom you should be thankful of him as we in kashmir know what it costs and how difficult is to get it.You got it free so u dont value it nor respect the indivisuals.in other sense u r insane and hypocrat.
RE:China is am Imperialist country.
by yenuberi israel on Apr 10, 2008 03:47 PM
well said Babar. U have hit the nail rightly .as a Christian I have seen with my own eyes how during the BJP rule Christians were singled out..their missions looted their people attacked savagely because they refused to become communal and join the list of hate mongorors..their nationality questioned ..its time people of India understand that BJP/RSS/Shiva Sena/Muslim Leage and the kinds are purely communal parties and live on hatred and crime..they can never unite this great nation..they can only fule comunal flareups and cause terror in our societies and take our country back to stone ages same like Pakistan or Bangladesh or Afghanistan..India is a great country because its secular and democratic. A country which cannot honor its founding Father Gandhiji cannot and isn't worth to become any regional power
RE:China is am Imperialist country.
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 04:30 PM
yenuberi Nice to talking to you but i dont and no other kashmiri as well consider india a democractic country.This is due the fact the number of war crimes in kashmir because of indian army and over which the government of india keeps quite and rather supports the forces for whatever they do..which is not a sign of a democratic country
RE:China is am Imperialist country.
by Dipak Bose on Apr 10, 2008 04:59 PM
I am not a supporter of BJP/RSS/Siva Sena either, but I like Jaswant Sinha for his statement on Tibet. M.K.Gandhi has done nothing for the independence of India; instead he has created Khilafat movement and partitioned the country. He used to be protected by the British Secret Service agents dressed up as poor farmers and used to be financed by Birla. India's freedom was hardearned by the revolutionaries, members of the Azad Hind Fauz and rebels of Indian Navy in 1946. Gandhi used to expel everyone who demanded freedom of India. 45% of J&K was occupied by Pakistan and 10% by China; thus when you talk about independence of J&K you forgot that Muslims who have created Pakistan are still living in India. If they get out, J&K canbe partitioned just like old Punjab and old Bengal. Christians have evicting all non-Christians from Nagaland, Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya and even from Manipur. Now the missioneries are trying to do the same in central India what they have done in the NE India: to convert and kick out the non-Christians. However, the issue of tibet is different, it is about Imperialism of china. If Muslims and Christians of India are supporting China, then they are traitor. That would give more justifications to get rid of them.
Now you are ready to understand what is the relation between Dalai Lama and US. US distributing money for a lot of spiritual leaders to destabilise demcratic and socialist countries. Lama's policy is the same killings what US does today.
Destructive work and terrorism have no future! Young generation must go back foot from these things! Humanity, peace, constructive growth etc. are still valuable things in our country.
RE:Now you are ready to understand what is the relation between Dalai Lama and US. US distributing money for a lot of spiritual leaders to destabilise demcratic and socialist countries. Lama's policy is the same killings what US does today.
by Hooter on Apr 10, 2008 01:45 PM
Sahadevan,
Goto China ... better use that torch to burn some ego of Karat & Yechury.
Shame on you ... being Indian supporting china. Dumbwitted Commies !
RE:Now you are ready to understand what is the relation between Dalai Lama and US. US distributing money for a lot of spiritual leaders to destabilise demcratic and socialist countries. Lama's policy is the same killings what US does today.
by Dipak Bose on Apr 10, 2008 01:49 PM
How much money the Tamils are getting from the Chinese. The Hindu and The Frontline are nothing but Chinese newspapers printed in India. You should be ashamed of yourself that you Tamils live in India ( if you get out and create your own country do so, none will be worried) but you are against the freedom movement of Tibet. Because Tamils never took any part in the freedom movement of India either; they were all very loyal pro-British in the same way today they are all pro-Chinese.
RE:Now you are ready to understand what is the relation between Dalai Lama and US. US distributing money for a lot of spiritual leaders to destabilise demcratic and socialist countries. Lama's policy is the same killings what US does today.
by mahesh es on May 05, 2008 06:54 PM
You stupid fool. the first mutiny against British ocurred at Vellore in Tamil 50 years before 1857. And vellore is in Tamil Nadu.
RE:Now you are ready to understand what is the relation between Dalai Lama and US. US distributing money for a lot of spiritual leaders to destabilise demcratic and socialist countries. Lama's policy is the same killings what US does today.
by gac on Apr 10, 2008 04:45 PM
Dipak Bose, "Tamils never took any part in the freedom movement of India " u must be the most dumbest person ever to say this...have u ever come out of ur house from just watching movies n TV shows?
RE:RE:Now you are ready to understand what is the relation between Dalai Lama and US. US distributing money for a lot of spiritual leaders to destabilise demcratic and socialist countries. Lama's policy is the same killings what US does today.
by Somasundaram on Apr 10, 2008 02:06 PM
It is very very wrong to say Tamils did not participate in the Freedom Movement. The next biggest Satyagraha after Dandi was in Vedaranyam, led by Shri Rajagopalachari. You would not have definetly read the nationalistic poems of Bharathi, of course. Still, there were a few people who asked the British to stay back - like Periyar. One may say that Tamil Nadu has elected the followers of Periyar - but not before they left the "free Tamil Nadu Nation" movement. However, I do agree that the Hindu Publications are pro-communist, and particularly in the Tibetan issue.
The Bejing Olympics is the first in history ever to be held in a Third World country. This Olympics not only represent the aspiration of 1/5 mankind but also the aspiration of developing counteries around the world and its potential. All these protests and media biassness sanctioned by western counteries is an attempt to sabotarge the aspiration of developing counteries to keep the west as masters of the world.
RE:stand by third world nations and attend beijin olympics
by Dipak Bose on Apr 10, 2008 01:53 PM
Rubbish. China has never supported any developing countries when they were fighting for independence. China has supported South Africa against Angola and Mozambique. China was against Vietnam, when it was fighting the Americans. China was against the PLO but supported Saudi Arabia. China is an imperialist and Racist country. It is not any different from the old style European imperialists. Peking Olympic is the same as Hitler's Olympic of 1936. Olympic is a political event, to demonstrate the power of the countries, corporations and Drug companies. Those who use more efficient drugs will win. Remember Marion Jones.
If you go through the messages across this board, you won't find a single message supporting Tibetans.
Tibet "may be or may not be" an internal issue of China. But its definitely an occupation & also, its ethnic cleansing of local populace.
Muslims try to compare Tibet to Kashmir. But these are totally different. Kashmir has their own CM through elections. And unlike Tibet where Han-Chinese are replacing local Tibetans, in Kashmir other Indians can not buy land or property.
And if one protests against Indian army presence in Kashmir, why don't they protest against Pak army's presence on other side (POK)? That sends the message "that its ok for Kashmiris to be ruled by Muslims Pak". Reality is quite different; ex-army officers of Pak are settling in large numbers in POK & are replacing the local Kashmiris. Whether this is acceptable ?
Coming back to Tibet, imagine if Muslims were the majority in Tibet ! Whether Indian govt would have reacted the same way ? Whether Islamic countries would have reacted the same way ? Just becoz Budhists are getting killed, is it ok ?
CPM in India acts as if they are the only party concerned about Muslims in India. Joke ... Communists are killing their own Muslims in China in another province. So, how does Indian Muslims react to this ?
If we have given refuge to Tibetans, we should atleast allow them protest "peacefully". Human beings killed in any country, of any religion or any caste is a crime.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:40 PM
tibbet and kashmir are same issue. only difference is tibbet were not haveing any problem and they were being forced by CIA to raise a voice and kashmiris are being oppressed for long so they have raised hands for their freedom. otherwise both need freedom and they should be given.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 12:45 PM
Why don't you say the same thing to Pakistan Govt to stop its meddling in Baluchistan. Perhaps you are deaf to their cry for freedom. Go to the Northern Areas of Afghanistan and try to say you are a Pakistani and see what happens.
RE:RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 01:07 PM
Dont worry Golden , the Chinese have shown that they support all the scoundrels in the world. Hence you are assured of their full support.
Regarding Kashmir, there was no problem except for the Paki Govt formenting. The oppression that you talk of occured to 100s of thousands of Sikhs , Hindus , Buddhists who were killed and to an equal number who were thrown out of Kasmir and now live as refugees in Delhi , etc. These people had been in Kasmir till times immemorial. This is ethic cleansing on a mssive scale carried out against Minorities by the mojority in Kashmir. There are Human rights violations in Kashmir- yes - against the minorities ( the hindus, sikhs , buddhists)
RE:RE:RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:22 PM
there were never any ethnic cleansing in kashimr. there still plenty of kashmir pundits living in kashmir. i realised this only after going to here. i talked to so many pandits there and they are peacfully living. only some cowards who were not able to tolerate the heat of freedom fight have fled and these kinds of rats are every where. even during indian freedom fight there were plenty of people who were enjoying the slavery time and so many people were getting jobs in the british army and when time comes they were shooting onthe indian freedom fighter too. so rats are every where who fly when there is fire. i am not surprised if you are one among them.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Hooter on Apr 10, 2008 01:43 PM
Golden,
When you don't agree with our views on Kashmir,
Why should we believe in your stories ? Why peaceful Hindus killed by the majority Muslims engaged in terrorism should be termed as "rats".
Just becoz you don't like them !!
You Muslims will never ever stick to law of land, obey the constitution, always believe in rumours & always take up arms and kill innocent people & children.
Have some gratitude towards the land you reside in.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 01:47 PM
i dont know about golden but i dont reside in india .i reside in indian occupied kashmir so called attot ang of india. well ur forefathers should have stick to the british constitution and obeyed rule of land.why did the take up armed struggle first ,the terrorists like bhagat singh ,chandrashekar azad and subash bose
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 01:44 PM
Whom are you fooling. The refugees are still in Delhi / Kashmir. All the Hindus, sikhs , buddhists killed by your friends - their life I guess has no value .
Stop looking at life only from the point of vieew of religion.Most Indians dont support USA in their acts.They bview USa as a country that has lost its morals. But dont try to cover up blatant ethnic cleansing. If such a thing happens to you and it is wrong, then it doesn give Islam the right to do the same. Why are youguys unable to give recognition to other religions as equal.
RE:RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 01:49 PM
for you it is freedom fighters and freedom and for musilm it becomes terrorism..how much of hypocracy
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 02:36 PM
If you go through the sentence still indicates people who havent moved out people who didnt play on part of communal lines ,people who were beside kashmiri muslims in every problem,people who didnt vanish overnight in planes and buses.people who live today happily with their muslim brothers .Do u know who are these pandits who left from kashmir.those who had properties in other parts of india .Those who have decieved their own muslims and pandits and sikhs .These people do not include only some kashmiri pandits but kashmiri muslims as well .The cruel part is that they destroyed the lives of some viilagers from pandit community by showing them a flashy picture and backstabbing them .those are the people who live in tents and many of them have realised and returned back ..plus the hurriyat that you see as extremists have many a times requested them to return ..and not by any government..rest is for you to think ..whatever you want to
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 02:11 PM
and indians were not born in kashmir..well the pandits who left was because the freedom movement was given a communal color by india .there are still thousand of pandits and sikhs living in kashmir..what about that
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 02:58 PM
Yes better to leave it at this. Because I cannot convince you and you cannot change my belief or those of milions others who know the reality that it is Pak inspired and religion based and precahes violence against those who differ The effort is to make Kashmir into a Muslim Nation under the tutelage of Pakistan. I stop here. The context also is Tibet - not Kashmir
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 04:24 PM
It is not about what you or i think .it is about freedom fpr all.You and me and everybody.The irony is that media is such a strong weapon in the hands of any nation that you can change dimensions overnight by projecting what you want to project.And this is indeed done by nations who want to supress voices against them be it china ,pakistan or india ..All fall in the same league at the end of the day and at the same tiem they keep their populace at bay so that they can enjoy the fruits of trouble so that supressed remain supressed and poor more poorer and at the same time they fill their pockets and benefit.The populace is any tom harry rahim ram chang khan or singh
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 02:18 PM
How unfortunate. You yourself are using the word "still". It is an acceptance of what you have done. They are some who are "still" there despite your best efforts
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Newswatch on Apr 10, 2008 02:06 PM
NO sir. The British were not born in India. The Pandits and others who have differences with you and you slaughter were always in Kashmir. We also believe in the equality of all religions, yours included
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 01:36 PM
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RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by John Corniche on Apr 10, 2008 12:48 PM
Oh ... you say Tibetans were forced by CIA where as Kashmiris just felt one day that they don't belong to India ?
Its ok for Kashmiris to be ruled Paki Muslims ? Thats what your point ?
If you read history, King of Kashmir agreed to join India at the time (choice was given to all Kings after 1947). It became a "dispute" after blind Nehru made a fatal mistake !
And due to that tactical mistake of Nehru, a fellow Indian Muslim who wants independent Kashmir !
Being in India, atleast support for ONE INDIA.
If you are not an Indian, then I don't have anything to explain to you.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:57 PM
no kashmir shoud be ruled by kashmiries. tehre is not amguiety in my ideas. if they want to remain with pak let them remain with, if they want to remain wiith india let them be with or if they want to be free let them be free. who are we to decide what they will do. simply giving some facility will not suppress the voice of freedom. no body likes the cage even if it is made of gold. i support for india but not the cruelty and atrocities. thats the difference between me and you. you support every thing in the name of india but i support only the right thing. there is something called God and we are responsible to Him one and every one has to answer all their thoughts and ideas towards life... even little bitof thought of supporting wrong may lead you to hell fire and little bit of supporting the humanity and freedom right of the people may lead you to heaven. so be just and dontlet yout hatred take over yout thinking power and judging capability. let people of the land decide what they want for their land. if blochistan wants freedom i am with blochistan. i am not hypocrite like you.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 01:29 PM
If you are not satisfied with your present place, perhaps it would be easy if you left instead of asking others to do so. Your example of your brother not wanting to live with you is laughable. You mean you would leave the house because your brother wants you to?
You appear to be suffering from delusions. Or may be you are saying all this just because your ideas on Kashmir don't sell. Either way, Rest in peace with your impractical ideas.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:34 PM
dont be a hypocrite again man. you have no idea whatyou are talking about. can you suggest the same to tibbetians that if they are not happy then they must leave tibbet. if they dont why should i. the thing is even if we come to know the truth we still support the lies and wrong and in teh worst case start using power and abuses. why dont you accept the that freedom isthe basic right of every human kind and they must get if they want. yes you will never do this your selfish nature will not allow.
RE:RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:25 PM
i dont tink i am a good guy neither i claim this. i always try to improve myself. but i am sure i never support the wrong no matter what. i dont support or oppose someone just because i hate or love someone. for me right is right and wrong is wrong. which i dont find here in may people. i feel freedom is an essential pert of life and it is as important for kashmir as for tibbetians. freedom must be given to all the occupied lands be it kashmir or blochistan or tibbet. yes i am sure i am not hypocrite and it doesnt matter toyou what do i do. i do a goodjob by supporting the righteous people apart from earning my living.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 01:08 PM
Good idea, perhaps you should preach this also to Pakistan [Balohchistan], China [Tibet, East Turkestan], Nepal [Madhesis], Bangladesh [Chittagong Hill Tracts, Buddhist Tribals fighting for freedom], Srilanka [Eelam]and to Iraq even [the Kurds want seperation]. Tomorrow if some district in India decides that it wants to seperate, I suppose we should allow them according to you.
Going by your dangerous logic, no country can survive today. Even the freest of the free nations, the USA fought a civil war to maintain its unity.
RE:Why Muslims do NOT support Tibetan cause ?
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:19 PM
good. a good idea. nice talking toyou by the way. first of all why are you showing your hypocracy. why there shoud be any country surviving. why? same thing british told that if they give freedom then there will be no british empire. same ideas roman and parsian empire too had during their time of world power maniac. where are they now? human right is the more basic than any country for survival. after all what these coutries are for? for human or human for countries. people should live in peace and the peace comes from within. if you are made slave you will never have peace no matter how much facility you are given. every body has gotrightto remain free and live peacefully if my brother doesnt want to live with me and thinks that he will be better off me, then i dont have right to hold him by force. today i am having power tomorrow he will have th powre and he will get freedom no matter what. and time has proven this time to time. india, russia,america all have gone through the same situation but none of them took the lesson and after getting freedom they started making slaves. shame on us. we have gone through the trauma of british occupatoin and we still support the nation occupying other nation. kashmiris have got right to remain free and they must get it sooner or later so have tibbetians and every one. mere concept of counrty should not stop the human freedom.
Bending backwards to please a potential enemy is foolishness.
Agreed we can not shut doors but why go out of your way to please the Chinese. Pranab Mukherjee looks weak in his knees when he says that Dalai Lama is our guest but he can NOT protest ! Thats stupid to say in a democracy.
There is a Supreme Court ruling of 1991 which says Tibetans have every right to peaceful protests. That way Pranab Mukherjee is in direct violation of the Court ruling.
But govt weak reaction to this crisis looks shameful. All for sruvival at the cost of national pride & principles ?
To please CPM whose Masters are in Beijing ? CPM supported China during 1962 war. CPM celebrated when Chinese exploded nuclear bomb. Where as they didnt even support Indian govt when we went nuclear in 1998.
RE:Shame on Indian Govt
by damodaran mohan on Apr 10, 2008 12:53 PM
India has always allowed peaceful protests by the Tibetans. And as long as the Tibetans protest is peaceful without disruption of the Olympic Torch Relay there should not be any problem.
RE:Shame on Indian Govt
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:37 PM
it is agood move if you dont want kashmir issue to be public and then lose control over kashmir.
RE:RE:Shame on Indian Govt
by manoj kumar on Apr 10, 2008 04:42 PM
If you have a gd idea golden ..if all the 14 crore muslim agree to leave India then Perhaps Indian public and politiicans may develop opinion to free Kashmir on the basis of religion identity ..and btw they way you have all the freedom to leave the land of Hindus, no body is stopping you to go to Pakistan . We already gave a huge Hindu land( Pakistan and Bangladesh) to Muslim invaders ..so dont ask for more .. looking for freedom go an search there.
RE:Shame on Indian Govt
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 12:47 PM
The one message that we get from all this is "NEVER BELIEVE THE CHINESE". They are unreliable and expansionist with border conflicts with all their neighbours. They have armed Pakistan with nuclear arms in an attempt to checkmate India. They have occupied 90,000 sq km of Indian territory in Arunachal and Aksai Chin and they are claiming much more. The Chinese rulers did not have any compuction in brutally killing scores of young Chinese who demanded freedom. Why should we have any sympathy for China?
We should support all the separatist movements in China from Tibetians to Uighurs. That way, the Chinese will never have the time to think of attacking India
The Indian and the Chinese civilizations are two of the most ancient civilizations in the world. Both the countries share the common legacy of Lord Buddha and are thus culturally closer compared to other western cultures. Indians should not have any problem with China as long as it does not bully India on the borders and uses Pakistan to counter India through clandestine nuclear & other strategic military inputs to that country with a view to dominate India and the region. India can never forget the Chinese betrayal of invasion of 1962 just after the Chinese Premiers PANCHSHEEL visit to India. Also, an overwhelming majority of the Indians want an immediate end to the Chinese interference into the cultural& spiritual spheres of Tibet including Chinese brutality and repression there. May be, once the democratization of the Chinese govt. happens even solution for Tibet can also be found.
RE:INDIA , CHINA &TIBET
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:32 PM
old civilisation is gone. only civilization indians have now is hatred for every thing they dont like. selfishness and greed. support what satisfies your selfishness and greed, irrespective of the truth and justice.
RE:INDIA , CHINA &TIBET
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:29 PM
i dont want a control over your mind, you have a free mind and you are free to think anything. just dont think cranky things, i just reaquest. any way i still dont have any control and dont mind too. and i dont counter any statement if the statement is not counterting my statement. i never said anything such thing so you can think what ever you want.
RE:INDIA , CHINA &TIBET
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 12:36 PM
This can be a dream, no more. Think of the poor souls who lost their lives in Tianenmen Square in 1989 for asking for democracy.
RE:INDIA , CHINA &TIBET
by babar on Apr 10, 2008 01:27 PM
so are you thinking about innocent kashmiri souls who were buried in mass graves by your forces in kashmir.they are the sons and brothers of people who went to colleges and were missing.check the reality before speaking and when the investigations were made all fingers pointed towards your army.So for you your army is doing a good job by killing innocents.Now if you can and hear it and still dont believe it then in reality it is hypocracy on your part
RE:INDIA , CHINA &TIBET
by manoj kumar on Apr 10, 2008 04:48 PM
Yes we think about innocent Kashmiri Hindus who were butchered in Kashmir....and terrorist who died in hands of Army ...perhaps they deserved the treatment what this kind of people get in Islamic countries....
The one message that we get from all this is "NEVER BELIEVE THE CHINESE". They are unreliable, expansionist with border conflicts with all their neighbours. They have armed Pakistan with nuclear arms in an attempt to checkmate India. They have occupied 90,000 sq km of Indian territory in Arunachal and Aksai Chin and they are claiming much more. The Chinese rulers did not have any compuction in brutally killing scores of young Chinese who demanded freedom. Why should we have any sympathy for China?
We should support all the separatist movements in China from Tibetians to Uighurs. That way, the Chinese will never have the time to think of attacking India.
tibet in line with Dalai Lama is a card the western capitalist nations are playing against China in the fear this Asian country raising to become a economical super power against their capitalist ideologies.
RE:Tibet
by Mayya Suresh on Apr 10, 2008 12:01 PM
Thanks for your propaganda...when west winks China fumbles... What forced China to offer nuclear technology and other destructive knowhow to Pakistan...another problem from the west?
So much for the peaceful rise...we all know now its a pack of lies.
RE:Tibet
by gac on Apr 10, 2008 12:10 PM
"when west winks China fumbles..." n that is what they r trying to do now with tibet as their trump card but they are failing..
every country has to get or give nuclear technology to other country.. US is offering nuke tech to India now, so do u blame them? russia offered nuke tech in 70's, so do u blame them? is there any rule that pak should not get nuke support from anyone?
RE:Tibet
by Mayya Suresh on Apr 10, 2008 12:30 PM
No there is no rule that Pak should not get nuke support...but of all why from China...a peacefull country as it professes to neighbour's enemy. China signatory of NPT covertly transferred it to Pak against the NPT. US on the contrary is still thinking twice whether to offer CIVILIAN nuke technology for energy purposes to India? And it is common knowledge why and against whom Indians nuclear tests were directed. So That should answer the umpteen number of your questions.
RE:Tibet
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:36 PM
and why not from china? you give then he will not take from china... you take help from israel, we can say there is nothing wroing in getting help but why from israel the illegal estate. it is a greater sin.
RE:Tibet
by manoj kumar on Apr 10, 2008 04:50 PM
Who decides Israel is an illegal state ? with same logic Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh are occupying hindu land and they become Illegal states ..?? What say ?
It can also be said for China that it has strong aspiration to have unipolar hegemony over Asia. If not, why it has always opposed India%u2019s bid to get a permanent seat in UN Security Council. Remember, It was India, who was offered the seat in 1950%u2019s but it refused to take it unless China is also offered the same. Look how the backstabber Chinese has reciprocated the kind gesture from India.
RE:Responding to XianYe
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:02 PM
india is a big cheater already. iran supported india for long on the kashmir issue and this kashmir has become a thorn for the public of kashmir and see how this india behaved. their gesture was very much disgusting and shameful. they voted against the very fundamental right of iran of having nuke energy. = yeh india aur indians kab talwe chaatna band karenge USA ka....
RE:Responding to XianYe
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 12:38 PM
Verify your facts before writing. Iran never supported India on Kashmir, it was Saddam who went against the opinion of the entire Arab League to support India's stand on Kashmir. The only support we had among the Arabs on this issue died with him.
RE:Responding to XianYe
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:45 PM
verify your fact first. iran always supported india on kashmir that's why it never became an issue in OIC otherwsise this would have got freedom much earlier. that's why iranian PM said that india has stabbed him on the back by supporting usa's cause during voting to sanction him and gas pipe line was also came in jeopardy. now india is the big loser by supporting usa which never thinks of benefitting any country other than himself. shame on india and shame on usa. any way checkyour facts on the net and you will be able to appreciate my ideas. it is iran who supported india on kashmir because the leaders at that time were very fast on sunni shia but now they know that there is not at all any difference religion wise, only difference is the political so they are very close to each other now. iran supported india and was ditched by india on every issue. shame on india.
RE:Responding to XianYe
by kskumar on Apr 10, 2008 01:20 PM
You are dreaming, the 'Islamic Republic of Iran' supporting India on Kashmir against the wishes of Pakistan, a fellow 'Islamic state'? The OIC for years used to pass a resolution every year on Pakistan's behest condemning India on Kashmir. The only time there was dissent was when Saddam refused to go along.
As for the OIC it is a toothless body and your saying that Kashmir would have broken away but for Iran is laughable. What can the OIC do? It could not stop the war between Iran and Iraq and failed to take united position on the Palestinian issue.
RE:Responding to XianYe
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 01:31 PM
it doesnt matter who supporte for what.you got support from someone and when he needed you ditched it. and that is sufficient to tell thatyou are a "ahsaaan faramosh" a selfish person. that's it.
RE:Responding to XianYe
by manoj kumar on Apr 10, 2008 04:54 PM
You must be kidding ... Most of the Muslim countries ..do thsi talwe chatne of USA or any other western country . To name few UAE , IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN , PAKISTAN , BANGLADESH,SYRIA , TURKEY ...is that enough list ... Pakisatn got more than 10 Billion dollars in last five years for that talwe chatne service ...!
RE:RE:Responding to XianYe
by on Apr 21, 2008 11:25 AM
this forum is only for the discussion regarding chinese oppression on tibet. where does kishmir comes in between. who is this cranky pessimist dumb golden who does not have any logic to talk except jihad, relegion, freedom kashmir. if you do not feel comfortable in india go to pakistan and talk about freedom of kashmir. we indian do not want to leasten any thing about kashmir as it is part india, whatever useless logis you give. be afried of god and talk in sense. what harm you people have done to the humanity i think no body has done so far. india is agreat nation and have great culture and great civilisation. you pakistani will not understand this because you do not have sympathy to the humanity only talk about nonsense. you are still liking the ass of usa and talking in sense. i think you dumb understand what i want to say. if you still do not understand i will write later more clearly to understand you.
RE:Responding to XianYe
by MP Raju on Apr 10, 2008 12:24 PM
Afghanistani people supported Pakistan to defeat Soviet Union. Now what is pakis doing? Licking USA and killing afghanistanees. Similarly they are killing Baluchistanees after looting their natural resources...
RE:Responding to XianYe
by Golden on Apr 10, 2008 12:35 PM
pakistan is not occupying afghanistan and crusing common people.by they way pakistan' support was forced by the bullyish might of usa and public did not know about the secret deals between bush and mush. now usa servant is counting its last days. already enland is on the way of having talks with talibaan and very soon usa will be isolated so its wants support from tibbet so that it can maintain its hagemony and some moron like raju the joker are supporting their masters. they dont know usa is making them slave day by day....
RE:Responding to XianYe
by Atul Chandra on Apr 20, 2008 11:12 PM
Golden, Pl. give your clear answers: 1.It is right for Muslims to demand a religion based 'independence' therefore Kashmir also has a right to demand to be Independent Islamic land-Yes or No 2. Pakistan is right in whatever it choses to do since it is a Islamic state. Yes or No 3. In non-Islamic states Muslims must be given full freedom or they shall wage Jihad till the land becomes Islamic.Yes or No 4. In Islamic states non-Muslims shall have to live as second grade citizens who should for their own good convert to Islam. Yes or No
