Guys first check what jesuits and the faithful christains have found about "Jesus".They have come to a conclusion that jesus was a person suffering from parania a phyciatic condition. This is what insiders to the faith have to say,while reffering to the internal evidence in the bible itself.Read keonaraad elst phycology of prophetism_a secular look at the bible.Hey jeffrey you take away all the vedas,the puran,geetas,upanishad,the Gods from hindus still it wont affect hinduism a bit,hindus are capable of maknk all to gether new Gods for themself,they are capable of writing new scriptutres for themself because we are not dependable on one book,one god.But think what will happen to christanity when Jesus will be proved to be mentaly insane person by christains themself.Since christainity rests only on jesus and bible,if people are made aware that jesus was mad person do you think rational thinking christains will remain christains any more ?Or do you think they are no rational christains to being with to have a affect on them.
RE:To christains who are calling hindu Gods to be fake
by r patil on Oct 31, 2007 12:56 AM
because jeffrey mithal and jefferey sharma are bringing Hindu Gods and jainism in Ramsethu controversy
RE:To christains who are calling hindu Gods to be fake
by Jeffrey Mital on Oct 30, 2007 09:49 PM
I am no christian, so your claim goes arbitrary and irrelevant for me. I don't believe them either.
But you have not answered single question. Okay no problem, ATleast prove reality of one god in Hinduism in North, if not atleast in South with evidence and historical facts. .... You keep writing harry potter books, wouldn't make any difference. So James Bond 007 will be future god in 3010 A.D., people will go to his place called james bond island . They will call james bond sethu, just becuase film was shooted their and some remains of pepsi tins were found.
RE:To christains who are calling hindu Gods to be fake
by r patil on Oct 30, 2007 11:07 PM
I knew it ,when corned you are going to pretend not to christain or pretend to be rational a usal nothing new in it. What proof do you want ?proof of Ram and krishna?The archeological proof lies in the Ramsethu and submerged dwarka itself.Atleast will you agree if at all a study on the Ram sethu is being made to prove it is manmade or nature made,and if it is man made you must agree for Ram's history.Similarly a submerged port city has being found near Dwarka, confirmining the exixtance of krishna's capital bet dwarka.The most wide spread yadav people of India are themself proof of exixtance of yadu (krishna's ancister)being Yadu vanshi(children of yadu).Saraswat people who trace their ancestoral home to the basin of river saraswati (callled goddess of knowledge because vedas were written on her banks)For other type of evidence I will give you a link atleast have the courage to go through it.
RE:To christains who are calling hindu Gods to be fake
by Jinadoss on Oct 31, 2007 02:13 AM
ASI has already confirmed that there is no such man made structure, and dwarka is another claim hindus try to attach with. By the way, Was James bond also avtar of Shri Mr. Ram? Nasa also said there is no Ram sethu, it is just that they sent the pictures of sand formation.
you should read old habit of brahmins to claim everything as their own.
RE:RE:To christains who are calling hindu Gods to be fake
by Jinadoss on Oct 31, 2007 02:14 AM
What a FART, fabricated story. So you want me to agree that there was a Saree which was 100s of thousands metre long which draupadi had.
What if James bond story found in India and people start worshipping him in UK after 2000 years? Is there any proof of Krishna? I am not denying he didn't exist, but world believe in proof , not mythological, puranas, or vedas. no matter how you want to define puranas, personally, that is your taste of believing non-existing thing. Do you believe james bond is god for Uk in 4020 A.D.?
RE:South Gods: More fake than imaginary role model Ram of Ramayana.
by padmanabha holla on Oct 30, 2007 01:28 PM
yes you are Correct all come after JEsus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:South gods more fake than mythological gods of north.
by r patil on Oct 30, 2007 08:25 AM
Which seriously "other main religion" lack. lastly it is not God which dictates himself to be worshiped and in which avatar,it is the bakths who associates him to some avatar and call him God.This is again very very important difference between christainity and hinduism.In christanity jesus repeatly called himself as God and asked others to prayer to him and no other,it is this claim that christains beleive blindly to call him God without revalueing his claim and mental state.But in hinduism bahktas is considered greater than bhagawan,if it was'nt for bahkta who wound have worshiped God? I have myself seen in mumbai people made long queque on the road to worship hanuman on saturday and not Ram,as it was Ram temple, remaining days of the week there use to be nobody in the temple at all. jeffery mithal if you are really interested to know which Gods are converted in which religion kindly study the history of velanki church(how it was build by destroying temple )and mylapore kalipewara
RE:RE:RE:South gods more fake than mythological gods of north.
by Jeffrey Mital on Oct 30, 2007 09:55 PM
I know history of all the temples , churches in South India, not only velankini. Do you know St. Thomas church in chennai ( on hill top) is constructed over Dravid Samanar temple (jain temple of dravidian style). Which is clearly written in the autobiography of Lord. Mckenzy who was insturmental in converting 130 years ago. This church is very powerful in chennai... Same goes with rest of fake hindu temples which are named after samanar gods. YOu can see on those idols not even 5% of structure is visible, it is completely hidden. Tell me why south indian gods are totally jewelled, garlanded and you can hardly recognise or see face of Lord. It is because some other god is hiding behind. Names too are funny, which are never mentioned even in any mythological literature... You need to make few trips to archaelogical depts and sites to know the truth. Mr. patil, don't teach me your bogus theory of attacking christians to get away with your bogus propaganda. you can't prove Ram, or sita. atleast in south india there was no hindu/brahmnic things were heard till 400 a.d. and this is fact which can be verified in any manner and style. No story or fake story involved here.
RE:RE:RE:RE:South gods more fake than mythological gods of north.
by Jinadoss on Oct 31, 2007 02:19 AM
Who is kapileshwara god,? another fake god erupted in South India, who is avatar of fake god vishnu? is that right?
RE:Do not support Idiocy, Be rational. Part-3
by r patil on Oct 29, 2007 07:32 PM
One thing is very clear from your post that when ecologist,environmentalists,scientist come to the conclusion that destroying Ram sethu is bad for the environment,you are naturally going to call them evil forces,Your bias is evident. You nether want to know the history of RAm sethu nor you are interested in knowning the bad effects of the project,why because in your mind you have already concluded that since Ram sethu in itself gives validity to exixtance of Ram in history ,hence it should be destroyed,wheter this project will bring any benefit or not,you are least bothered about that.Now show some courage and dont mark my message as abuse.
RE:Do not support Idiocy, Be rational. Part-3
by r patil on Oct 29, 2007 07:55 PM
Indian civilisation starts with sindu-saraswati civilisation of which indus valley is just a part.This civilization was spread from present day pakistan nort west fortier till the vast ganges plain,including the plains of saraswati. Now this saraswati which got disappered from face of the earth once flow in haryana , rajasthan and gurajat kuch making rajasthan and guraj kuch a desert since they were no other mighty river in this part of india.Now there are many proofs that rajasthan was once a everygreen thick forest as many elephant fossiles have being found there and also the the satellite mapping have shown the presence of a very mighty river in th desert.On we all in India know that we have myth that their was one mighty river called saraswati which disappeared and forced migration of many people to migrate to many parts of india.The people who migrated from the basin of sraswati river call themself as saraswats ,they are many different groups of saraswat people who are spread all across india including kashmir,goa,kerala,karnataka,maharastra,bengal. It would be great help if you could do some wiki on saraswat people.Ramayan was not written by a brahmin,neither tuslidas was a brahmin nor was kalidas a brahmin who wrote the whole ancestory of Raam called raghu vamshi.
History is the continuous, systematic narrative and research of past events as relating to the human race. All events that are remembered and preserved in some form constitute the historical record.
A brief EARLY history of India:
Indus Valley Civilization %u2013 3300-1700 BC Late Harappan Culture %u2013 1700-1300 BC Vedic period %u2013 1500-500 BC Iron Age %u2013 1200-300 BC Maha Janapadas %u2013 700-300 BC Magadha Empire %u2013 545-320 BC Maurya Empire %u2013 321-184 BC
The real Indian history starts from the foresaid brief. We used to believe all Puranas and their characters are real and existed. The real problem starts when we mix up Puranas with History.
Apart from History all countries have their own literatures in terms of Puranas and adventure stories. Astonishingly no countries claim that their Puranas and adventure stories are real. Unfortunately here in India we brainwashed by the Brahmanical and mad Hindutuva forces to believe that Puranas and adventure stories related to Hinduism are real and existed. This is done for their own survival.
RE:Do not support Idiocy, Be rational. Part-2
by r patil on Oct 29, 2007 08:10 PM
By the way in india maxists are actively involed in writing history from the day we got independence.In all our text books history starts with mouryas you know why because cahndra gupta is mentioned in greek history,not because of mauryas own written history as it is also written in puranic form.Had alexarder not invaded india our maxists historians would have even regected maurays too.It is very clear that chradra upta with the help of chanakya threw Nandas from power who had ruled magdya 1000yrs,but we are never told about these nandas any where at all,as if they never had any history.their are many proofs for mahabarat and ramayan to have taken place ,if you are really interested please do google on it,you will find many things of which you were unknown. Asi has repeatedly said that they have never studied the ram sthu to begin with,which was also reported in many media(media bith news and print in india are controlled by missionery and evelangial,though they have put brahmin faces in front)Lastly for your brahmin writting history,yes you are right nearly all maxixts historian are brahmins,we have our own brain to think for ourself wheter to beleive them or not,and for that matter many of us dont beleive them,neither do we beleive the media which has nothing positive to show about hindus and hinduism.
Nowadays most of us started following and spreading idiocy in the name of religion. All this superstitious believes derived from Religion disturbs our daily lives. These are the root cause for our nations under development. Our nation obsessed with foolishness in the name of Religion especially Hinduism.
Our nation ranks 126th out of 177 in Human Development Index. This is nation with thousands of gods for Prosperity, Knowledge and good livings but we are the least educated, least facilitated and least prospered (75% this people live with less than 20 Rupees per day).
Now fanatics are sheered to stop a development scheme (Sethu Samuthram Project) in the name of never existed god Ram. These Hinduthuva fanatics fight with baseless facts. They are so dare to convince us that Ram made this Bridge 17 million years ago with the help half Man and half Monkey creature Hanuman to save goddess Sita who struggled in Lanka for 14 years. LOL.
These Purana obsessed people need to know our true history to get rid of madness which struck them for thousand years.
Our beautiful world has around 10,000 years of PROVEN history for its culture, Rulers, Kingdoms and so on. In that our country has around 5000 years of proven history which is really older comparing other countries. Very fewer countries like Egypt, China, Persia, and Rome had such older heritage. But no countries have history more than 10000 years.
RE:Do not support Idiocy, Be rational. Part-1
by r patil on Oct 29, 2007 09:12 PM
So you beleive that it is hinduism which has made poor huh,Or you are trying to say that if we all christains,muslims,and hindus become atheists will make us more rich and prosperous as all the athesist governemnt of east europe? Japan is also a multiple beleiving Gods country,how do you explain their progress.Etyopia is oldest christain one God beleiving country how do explain their backwardness,similarly all the south american countries and the muslim contries are also "One God " beleiving country are they developed?They are worst than India. The greeks,epytains,roman at the height of the civilization where "pagan in worship" that is they beleived in multiple god,similarly even India at its height of civilization or golden era under the GUPTAS was a "Multiple God beleing nation" .Some truths you should think about.
Those you are staying in glass houses should not trough stones at others house.Please think rationaly is it possible for virgin to give birth,is it possible for some one to be airlifted to heaven ?Where is this heaven ? Now tell us what is that so imposible in Ramayan to not have occured or the whole Ram being a myth.There may be some exragresion but to say Rama did not exixt at all is ridiculas. Valmiki has talked about vanars(meaning astonihing men and also means monkeys)but he never says that vanars had tails,so it is more likely that vanars either looked like us or looked like austro-asiatic people with raised bros. Ravan is describrd as having ten head,which only means that his intellegence was equal to ten heads which even his enemies appreciated, and its proof is that only ravan is credited to have pushpak viman,maybe he build it who knows. Ramayan has described in detailed how the bridge was built by nal vishwakarma's son.And even now there is a caste of vishwakarmas in tamilnadu who are expert in building vastu shastra based buildings.If egyptains could built engineering perfect pyramids,why should building bridge be so difficult,it is entirely possible isnt it. There are many internal and external proof of Ram and his ancestors being rulers of ayodha,cholas the souther kings called themself has being suryavamshi decntes of ishkavaku dynasty,so why would anybody trace their direct ancestory to an immaginery character of a novel? tamil sangams have praised
RE:Christains over here who are insulting Hindu Gods.
by r patil on Oct 28, 2007 08:59 AM
pandavs to having participated in the mahabrat war on pandav side and providing padav army with food,why would court bards praise their king to have been helped some immaginery book carater.Even the mahabarat which is being coined by totally different author in comletely different time has mentioned about Ram and his ansistors and all the kindoms mentioned in ramayan,mahabarat also talks about Ram setu as Nala bridge indicating that the bridge was build by nal.And now the lost bet dwarka has being found in the same location near present dwarka,i wonder how is that so.Vedas talk so much about mighty river saraswati,and till now there is a myth among hindus that river sarswati dried up,even mahabarat mentions balram touring the dying river saraswati during mahabarat war.The saraswat brahims who are spread all over india claim to be once resisdence of dry saraswati river.And now hola scientists have found by satelite mapping indias most mightest river which dried up excatly some 1900yrs early.So the conclusion is myths dont come out of thin air ,one should know how to differnciate between the actual history from the myth.
RE:Christains over here who are insulting Hindu Gods.
by r patil on Oct 31, 2007 09:53 PM
Please stop yourlies and mythological fake claims... stop your lies and save this country.
