This news gives me immense pleasure that a jawan shoot his officer.This will increase rapidly in coming years.All this because of their behaviour.These officer uses these jawans for there personnel works like purchasing a sanitory napkin for his wife and daughter and much harrasment like using abuse language and much more.They got full power to do any thing with jawans as nobody is going to question them.Hey Govt please do a snap check in any Army/Navy/Airforce camps to see what happens to jawans.Please do this needful as jawans are also humans and they to too have an heart with feelings and emotions.(By an Ex Soldier)
A very incorrect judgement. Should I say injustice in the name of justice. Do thay know why it happened? Did they do anything to correct it so that it should never happen? Shame, this is what what one gets as reward for serving the country...... Mother Soniaji (goddelss of iditic Indian politicians) wake up. That day is not far when doomed day is at your door, if this is the reward to serve your innocent bhaktas and your country.
RE:Giving death sentense
by Hans Solo on Mar 03, 2007 12:09 PM
Fools like for every fault will only blame Sonia. If tommorrow Sonia dies, you mean all your problem will solve? Nope, you will then get some other punch-bag.
Killing a military person is not serving nation.
Its a cold-blooded MURDER.
If the jawans were so fed up "serving the nation" then they should have gone back to farming. No one was holding them against their wishes
To fight and kill the enemy. That is all . To fight terrorists special units must be created that take into account the mindset of troops selected , rest periods involved and special combat allowance when deployed. There should plenty of such divisons so they can be rotated in and out as needed without streaching the units too far. Islamic problem is here to stay and will progressively get worse, so FIGHTING it must be the first priority in National defence and budget allocations must have anti-terrorist fund factored. There is NO talking that can kill the islamic terrorist only bullets .
The problem here is that the soldiers are forced to work 18 hours a day because of the GREAT policitian's blunder after Independence. Following are the only feasible solutions to resolve this issue: Option 1: Remove 'secular' term from our constitution. Note, this doesnot mean that muslims (I don't consider them MINORITY) have to run away. It only means they won't be pampered by their 'Secular' politicians. Option 2: Disintegrate J&K into 3 parts, Article 370 should only be applied to Kashmir; Create two camps within Kashmir - Camp one will have patriot Indians (Provide every opportunity for this camp people to prosper), Camp two will have those people who like to be with Pakistan. See if we can resolve camp two people's complaints and get them into camp one. Else send them to Pakistan or even better use this camp as a shield when skrimish breaks out. Option 3 (Important One): Start providing moral support to pathan's living in South Western parts of Pakistan
RE:Let's address the the root-cause
by Raj Arora on Mar 02, 2007 04:59 PM
R U afflicted to BJP, I believe BJP fellows are using this forum to propagate their ideology.
RE:RE:RE:Let's address the the root-cause
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 02, 2007 06:28 PM
"Start providing moral support to pathan's living in South Western parts of Pakistan"
interesting point. Pashtuns make up nearly 30 million of Pakistan's population. I guess they would sure like to get some freedom from Pakistan if India shows "moral support" from Afghanistan. But it's all messed up there. Taliban, Al Qaeda, poppy cultivation, terror networks, NATO, US forces, Pak Army coggled up and i am not sure what India can do for now except aligning with like minded parties to intercept their activities and encourage fraction of their region from Pakistan.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Let's address the the root-cause
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 02, 2007 06:43 PM
Pakistan will be divided someday given the trend of it's formation and how it evolved from there. It was formed in a hurry and maintained through brute force. Like Iraq. Like Yugoslavia. Like Soviet.
i dont think the death sentence is a solution to the problem of jawans - there needs to be more post traumatic consultation for all people in armed forces who work day in day out in high risk zones
RE:death sentence not a solution
by Golu Gayani on Mar 03, 2007 12:35 AM
I share the same view. Death sentense is not a solution. I think a rigorous conclling is needed, to identify the root cause of such inicidents. It is shocking that this jawan killed his senior, but what made him do that? some one a third party must identify it. What is the difference in the mentality of this jawan and the Army officials to give him detah penalty. Basiclly all are brutes. This jawan might be going thru some mental problems but what should we say for the army officials?
its a shame that people like Raj arora and pradeep comment on an issue which they perhaps nothing about , to enlighten them , an officer works incomparably more than his jawans ,jawans follow a fixed routine of 4 meals in a day and regular physical activity , whereas an officer , skipping lunch and dinner for work is normal , and mind u no over time money Officer is and always held reponsible for every error not jawan there is shortage 40% of officers , hence alot more work and pressure so please get ur facts right secondly for not getting pay , some one shoots his superior , good show and logic Mr Raj and Pradeep i suppose u hold this wisdom if someone thief kills ur father or brother for money , perhaps then u will reason that how poor was he or how much tension was he in
RE:What an excuse
by Anand Pratap on Mar 03, 2007 09:38 AM
How do u say that an officer is skipping lunch and other thing.Have u nay time to an camp.Plz go and see and ull come to know Mr Arora.These officer get special meals in their home itself called the special ration in which there wives will complaining y chicken leg is so lean and thin,get me an other one.If u dont know the fact please dont comment.
RE:What an excuse
by Raj Arora on Mar 02, 2007 03:23 PM
Y! that is true but let me tell me all these facts of shortage or 40% officers, problems of officers projected by the same lobby. In last pay commission they get away with abolition of the rank of 2nd Lt. then with ACP (Assured Carreer) can Mr. Mehra you reply about last time when an officer lobby seriously taken up the matter for their jawans in defence forces. What you state for payment of officers is justified but can you justified the ill treatment to senior jawans, no walfare, could you say how much battle honours we have for jawans. Do you say jawans never sacrifieced ? or they don't get hnour ? How many institutions in line of DSOI (Dhoula Kuan) do the defence have for their jawans. I belive you belong to same lobby.....
Good Luck (Coz there may be many Beheras in making in the year to come)
I have been closely associated with the Indian Army, especially ASC, during my long tenure with a public sector oil company in India. I can't generalize as my experience alone makes an adequate sample-size to make my research complete but I can dare say that Jawans are fiercely loyal to their officers. No jawan can kill his officer unless he has been driven to the brink of despair.
RE:The jawan must have been driven to the brink of despair
by RAMBO on Mar 02, 2007 06:51 PM
Ya its true.May be his commander was too much.Or the stress was unbearable.
It is high time the officers of Armed Forces treat the jawans at their commands like human being. It is really shame that a Jawan who usually treat the commander like his father kills him. We should not shade the cause to Stress at operation in Kashmir like Gen JJ Singh says, usually a soldier get a tenure at Rastriya Rifle for 2 years only so he knows about his tenure . The murder has nothing to do with operation but about the great divide between the haves and have nots in defence forces.
It has been observed in recent past that there was a assured carreer promotion policy for defence force officer where once commissioned the officer will achieve the rank of Colnel irrespective of his career profile. So getting a payment 4 times higher than a lieutenant. Where as there is no assured carrer profile for Jawans, in 99% cases a jawan can only achive Naik (Gross Pay 7000/- Every thing inclusive) or Havldar (Gross Pay 8000/-) after a 23 years of long service raising just 1.5 times of payment than he was receiving in as a sepoy when enrolled.
Normally Jawans can%u2019t raise their voice, can%u2019t approach to media, cant%u2019 have a say to the pay commission, can%u2019t make an union and they are just helpless to take their decision at their end which entailed the Jawan like Behera to kill his Commanding Officer.
An efficient officer like Gen JJ singh should confess the ongoing %u2018Aungreji Raj%u2019 in defence forces and correct it. The Defence force will be a better place to serve the nation.
It seems the punishment has been given to him only because in a low in the Army ranks and he killed a superior. Nobody seem to understand what made him to kill the officer or why a Jawan should get death when a terror like Afzal Guru who attacked the Parliment is still living in jail eating dozens of rotis and chicken. By Sharath Kumar(mysoresharath)
