RE:Lest Sudhanshu can answer
by Faisal Khan on Dec 17, 2007 08:26 PM
I do still feel all INDIANS are HINDUS whether following Islam or Christianity, but this is your wrong interpretation that all Christians have accepted christ because of money. These allegation are made by VHP/RSS people, which is not true, neither Jesus Christ born in rich families nor he left money to run christianity as a religion, What he left that is message of love and peace which is still need of human kind to save them from devils of violence. The Christ and Budhha is universally accepted because their teachings are simple and based nonviolence and peace. Why do not people accept the God Ram because his message is to fight with evil forces for survival of human Kind and he killed ravana and so many Hindu GODS did. But later that theory is failed and now it is not relevent at any cost.
RE:Lest Sudhanshu can answer
by Avinash on Dec 17, 2007 08:40 PM
Mr.Faisal Khan,
The Skeptics Annotated Bible gives category-wise verses of The Bible and The Quran like absurdities, contradictions, hatred, good-stuff, etc and understand for yourself. The Christianity has a cruel face which many (including the Chrsitians) are unaware of. Also search for X-Rated Paradise of Islam and you will realize the real contents of some of the so-called holy books!
RE:RE:Lest Sudhanshu can answer
by Satya Raj on Dec 17, 2007 08:53 PM
Mr. Faisal Khan, Please look once again into the message. I said some not ALL. Best example you can see is Tamil Nadu/ Kerala. I heard from one of my friend that they will announce in the road to get convert just for the money.
RE:Lest Sudhanshu can answer
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 08:32 PM
I cannot argue with you. Please read the details history of magolia and magolian race you will find the truth. in 1307, upon the death of Khubilai's grandson Temür, another of his grandsons, Ananda, attempted to seize the throne of the Y üan Dynasty. While serving as viceroy of the Tangut land of Xia (centered around the current-day Chinese province of Ningxia), Ananda converted to Islam. He studied the Arabic language, learned the Koran by heart, and apparently dreamed of turning all of China into an Islamic country. His cousin Khaishan intervened, had Ananda put to death and mounted the throne himself. Khaishan, despite his treatment of his cousin, was a devout Buddhist. He invited the famous translator Chokyi Ozer to Beijing and initiated an extensive program of translating Buddhism texts from Tibetan into Mongolian. "By the merits [of Khaishan's works] human and animal diseases vanished from the land, and there were neither floods nor draughts; the rains were timely and good for crops, and happiness flourished. The monastic centres of studies and meditation competed with each other in their wealth and importance.
After the death of Khubilai in 1294, his successors kept up outward observances of Tibetan Buddhism, but there are indications that the actual practice, at least in court circles, became increasingly corrupted by non-Buddhist influences. There are given references to black magic, animal sacrifices, and sex cults based on incorrect interpretations of certai
RE:RE:Lest Sudhanshu can answer
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 08:33 PM
. There are given references to black magic, animal sacrifices, and sex cults based on incorrect interpretations of certain esoteric tantric texts.
At the end of 16th century Altan Khan is in power. He meets with Sonam Gyatso, a Tibetan Buddhist leader whom he gives the title of Dalai Lama. Dalai is a Mongolian word meaning "vast" or "oceanic"; it is also a direct Mongolian translation of the Tibetan word gyatso and thus a particularly fitting title for Sonam Gyatso. From that period on Buddhism becomes the predominant religion in the Mongolian territories and establishes a big clergy.
In the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries, the sculptor par excellence among the Buddhist countries of Asia was the Undur Gegeen Zanabazar (1635-1723), the first Jebtsundamba Khutuktu, or Bogdo Gegeen (King Bogd), and the greatest sculptor of Mongolia. He was the founder of our art school "Zanabazar%u201C. Since Zanabazar, this highest-ranking representative of the Buddhists in the 17th century, the title Khan Bogd (King Bogd) has been established. Khans were simultaneously highest-ranking Buddhist as well as profane leaders. The last Mongolian Khan Bogd died in 1924. He was the last religious and profane ruler of the Mongols who resided in the Khan Bogd Palace. The place of residence was called Ulaanbaatar, i.e. 'Red Warriors' or 'Red Heroes'.
At the end of the nineteenth century there were 583 monasteries and temple complexes and 243 incarnate lamas would be living in
RE:The people who stay in INDIA are all HINDUS
by Faisal Khan on Dec 17, 2007 08:30 PM
I do still feel all INDIANS are HINDUS whether following Islam or Christianity, but this is your wrong interpretation that all Christians have accepted christ because of money. These allegation are made by VHP/RSS people, which is not true, neither Jesus Christ born in rich families nor he left money to run christianity as a religion, What he left that is message of love and peace which is still need of human kind to save them from devils of violence. The Christ and Budhha is universally accepted because their teachings are simple and based nonviolence and peace. Why do not people accept the God Ram because his message is to fight with evil forces for survival of human Kind and he killed ravana and so many Hindu GODS did. But later that theory is failed and now it is not relevent at any cost. Try to see the world from the saffron shell than you can understand ir better, stories cooked by VHP/RSS men atleast wont allow you to understand even Hinduism.
RE:The people who stay in INDIA are all HINDUS
by Satya Raj on Dec 17, 2007 08:53 PM
Mr. Faisal Khan, Please look once again into the message. I said some not ALL. Best example you can see is Tamil Nadu/ Kerala. I heard from one of my friend that they will announce in the road to get convert just for the money.
RE:The people who stay in INDIA are all HINDUS
by Avinash on Dec 17, 2007 08:58 PM
Mr.Satya Raj, your information is not correct. Nobody will convert after hearing an announcement made on the roads. The missionaries generally target the poorest of poor or those ont he death-bed to carry out their nefarious activities.
RE:The people who stay in INDIA are all HINDUS
by Avinash on Dec 17, 2007 08:42 PM
Mr.Faisal Khan,
The Skeptics Annotated Bible gives category-wise verses of The Bible and The Quran like absurdities, contradictions, hatred, good-stuff, etc and understand for yourself. The Christianity has a cruel face which many (including the Chrsitians) are unaware of. Also search for X-Rated Paradise of Islam and you will realize the real contents of some of the so-called holy books!
Btw, hinduism is not a religion in its narrow sense. It is a conglomeration of various beliefs and even non-beliefs also (Charvakas were atheists of Vedic period).
In the Hasanat ul-'Arifin, Dara bitterly criticises those self-styled 'ulama who, ignoring the inner dimension of the faith, focus simply on external rituals. His critique is directed against mindless ritualism emptied of inner spiritual content, and he challenges the claims of the 'ulama who would readily trade their faith for worldly gain. Thus, he says:
May the world be free from the noise of the Mulla
And none should pay any heed to their fatwas.
As for those 'ulama who claim to be religious authorities but have actually little or no understanding at all of the true spirit of religion, Dara writes that, 'As a matter of fact, these are ignoramuses to themselves and learned to the ignorant', and adds the following couplet:
Every prophet and saint suffered afflictions and torments,
Due to the vicious and ignominious conduct of the mulla.
Two short, yet important, works of Dara on the various stages and practices associated with the Sufi path are the Tariqat ul-Haqiqat and the Risala-i Haq Numa. The former consists of both prose as well as poetry. It begins with a prologue containing the praises of God and His Omnipotence and His All-Pervasiveness. Thus, Dara says, referring to the Divine:
You dwell in the Ka'aba and in Somnath [a famous Shaivite Hindu temple]
RE:Dara Sikho ...brother of auranzeb said........
by SHRI RAM on Dec 17, 2007 08:13 PM
Simply copy and paste from your beloved sites, run by some sister concern of VHP. Otherise I am sure your fore fathers were working as cleaners Dara's palace.
RE:Dara Sikho ...brother of auranzeb said........
by Avinash on Dec 17, 2007 08:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You dwell in the Ka'aba and in Somnath [a famous Shaivite Hindu temple]...........he dwells at neither place. They are in the mind of the believers (some of them blind believers). If there was any God, why would he create such natural calamities like Earth Quake, Tsunami, etc and kill even cats and dogs???????????????????
Bush has already adopted a policy designed to draw India closer to the United States in a strategic alliance. This is a good move. Bush has arranged for India to receive some of the very high tech weapons that America's allows only its closest allies to have. Both the U.S. and India were British colonies and have that British influence in common. This helps Americans and Indians communicate even though their religion and cultures are very different. Given that Islam is an enemy to both India and the United States, the combination is a natural one.
RE:USA and India VERSUS Islamic world ----------- 21st century reality
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 17, 2007 08:00 PM
People of your kind had found friend in these firangis long back too...at Mughal times. They told you they are your friends aginst Muslim rulers...remember what happened next !
Golden Sparrow was plundered 24x7 for 150 years. Masses were sucked hollow. taxes on them were raised overnight from Rs 20,000 a district to Rs 26 lacs a district per annum. Those who (infact most) could not pay, their land and houses was auctioned (Mahajans and land lords made big fortune in this process).... over Millionhad to die, and country dsmembered to rid yourselves of these Firangis.
It is interesting that you have forgotton all, and are building yet another alliance...at your own peril.
Those who can not tolerate those who have common prophets (Abraham, Isa etc), how will they tolerate your Gods
RE:USA and India VERSUS Islamic world ----------- 21st century reality
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 08:08 PM
Taking to you words Dear Wahaj may i draw you attention towards killing of daughter, son-in-law and Ali the grand son of Mohammad by Sunni in the name of Islam just for the sake of naming a guy Khalifa. If you people cannot tolerate the own daughter and her 2 year son, better keep mum on others
RE:USA and India VERSUS Islamic world ----------- 21st century reality
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 17, 2007 08:17 PM
you have fallen to fake propaganda.
1. Muhammed pbuh daughter was not killed by anyone
2. Hazrat Ali saw was Prophet's son-in-law He was assassinated, true. But only because he mixed too much with masses without security, and chased away kings, tyrants and warlords always were at loathe with him.
Muhammed's pbuh grandson Hussein was killed by king, who had managed to comeback, only because Islam under Hussein was not ready to accept any King.
Interesting that you think muslims got him killed. Your thinking pattern is totally convoluted
RE:USA and India VERSUS Islamic world ----------- 21st century reality
by Faisal Khan on Dec 17, 2007 08:35 PM
Mr. Sudhanshu still living in 12th century, no one can help you, no need of bringing up any all old stories which even muslims wont ready to discuss nor want to accept it, on other hand direction of VHP/RSS groups to non follower islamic Hindus is very much same as all terrorist are doing. They wants to spread hate and wipe out all Christians and Musilms, I know in this same blog many people joined hands with muslims to curse christians and so they do with christians to curse and abuse muslims, because all these people are spreading.
Are yaar how many ethnic hindus have been killed/burnt/raped by majority of malaysians with full support of the state?
India should first do justice to its own minorities in places like gujarat and maharashtra before lecturing malaysia which has only arrested a few madrasi thugs.
RE:Indian hypocrisy
by Ramesh Jatav on Dec 17, 2007 08:18 PM
are yaar popat miyaan, pehle pakistan bangladesh apni minorty kee dekhbhaal kare.india baad men kar lega(sorry,saala india to pehle hee kehta phir rahaa hai ki india ke resources par pehla haq musalmaano kaa hai.
RE:Maldives - non-Muslims to lose citizenship
by abhinav on Dec 17, 2007 07:44 PM
another typical mussie state........in pakistan hindus don't have voting rights even.......
RE:Maldives - non-Muslims to lose citizenship
by Sathish N on Dec 17, 2007 08:48 PM
Wow... Googled and found this to be true. That is crazy. These mullas want secularism in other countries, but will not tolerate others in their own.
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by abhinav on Dec 17, 2007 07:32 PM
But then the whole mangolia again converted to Buddhism from islam after realising the truth of Islam. Now you will not find a single muslim in Mangolia........
RE:RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 17, 2007 07:35 PM
how big is Mongolia ? BTW no one embraced Islam and then Buddhism. Buddhists are separate stream with no history of Islam.
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by abhinav on Dec 17, 2007 07:38 PM
lolsssssss.......u r logic is as jihadi as u r thinking.....dear there were lot of people who were following hinduism / islam etc which converted to buddhism afterwards......mongols r one of them.....
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 07:40 PM
Wahaj the problem with you people is that you donot believe other than what wrongly tought to you. The entire Mangloia converted back to Buddism. It is a big country just see the map well above the north of China. You are right in saying that Islam donot permit to leave the religion but the truth is that hundreds of muslims are leaving this religion as the mungolian did a couple of hundreds year back.
RE:RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 17, 2007 07:52 PM
Mongolia: The country's population is about 2.7 million. Started some twelve centuries ago as 300,000 strong union of several nomadic tribes, by the turn of XX century Mongols numbered only half a million.
Religion: Mongolia used to be the second, after Tibet , stronghold of Buddhist religion. In the turn of 20th century each and every family was obliged to send one of their children to a monastery to become monk. .
However, with the arrival of Communists in 20s, the religion was severely repressed, and all but one monastery destroyed. More than 30,000 monks and priests were executed and another 70,000 exiled or imprisoned. In seven decades Buddhism was almost eradicated, but the liberalization of 1990 allowed its peaceful revival. Now more than 140 Buddhist monasteries have been set up anew.
Under this newly found freedom of belief, other religions flocked in, including more than 30, mostly Christian, churches and cults. Another popular religion is Islam practiced by a 60,000 strong Kazakh minority in Bayan Ulgii province.
Hope you understand how big it is...2.7 Million..vs 1400 Million Muslims
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 08:16 PM
Dear Wahaj, Its futile to argue with you but the truth will remain truth. Just read more about Magolian race or send me your E mail I will forward you millions of pages for that. As the Mongolian Empire grew, it soon covered all of Asia. In this continent, is China, one of the largest countries in the world, and a faithful follower of Islam. This religion was introduced into northwest China by the overland route. During the Tang dynasty (618 %u2013 907) and the Sung dynasty (960-1279), foreign trade grew steadily as Arabs, Turks and Iranians took silk, art objects, Chinese porcelain, and other commodities to the Middle East and to Europe, returning with herbs, spices, pearls, and other products of those areas. This friendly trade opened the door for Islam to come in and most of the kingdoms of central Asia converted to Islam.. When Kublai Khan (1215 %u2013 94) became the ruler of China and Mongolia, and the founder of the Yuan dynasty, he became well-known for his tolerance of religion. During his reign, he dappled in many different religious beliefs and gave all his citizens religious freedom. And throughout the whole area the freedom of travel encouraged great crosscurrents of peoples and cultures, which brought an influx into Mongol territory of Muslim merchants, doctors, scholars, astronomers, astrologers, and high-ranking warriors who were attached to the Mongol army as advisors, military aides, and staff officers. According to the eminent Chinese historian Professor Ding Xuewu
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by thiruvarulselvan krishnamoorthy on Dec 17, 2007 08:30 PM
Good Wahaj. Thinking muslims is what Islam needs today. If you want facts. The modern history of Mongolia starts with Chingiz Kh%uFFFD
RE:RE:RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 08:00 PM
He was kept at the Mongolian court, but more for political than spiritual reasons. By holding a representative from the ruling Sa skya pa, Khubilai hoped to realise a friendly attitude of the Tibetans. While being at the Mongolian court Phags-pa converted great parts of the ruling class including Khubilai (Fonteijn 1999: 32-4; Heissig 24; email contact Henk Blezer). So for the first time Mongolia came under major Buddhist influence, although it seems to mainly have been limited to the upper class.At the end of 16th century Altan Khan is in power. He meets with Sonam Gyatso, a Tibetan Buddhist leader whom he gives the title of Dalai Lama. This meeting means a revival of Buddhism in Mongolia. Later great-grandson of Altan Khan will pointed as an incarnation of the Dalai Lama, strengthening the ties between Mongolia and Tibetan Buddhism (email contact Henk Blezer). From that period on Buddhism becomes the predominant religion in the Mongolian territories and establishes a big clergy. At the end of the nineteenth century there were 583 monasteries and temple complexes and 243 incarnate lama's would be living in the Mongolian territories, of which 157 resided in Inner Mongolia (Heissig 1980: 1; Worden & Savada). The Buddhist clergy controlled about 20 percent of the country%u2019s wealth and in the 1920s there were about 110.000 monks, making up one-third of the male population (Worden & Savada). Moses especially emphasis the negative impact of this cler
RE:RE:RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 08:19 PM
Chinese historian Professor Ding Xuewu Ting, over thirty Muslims were high officials at the royal court in Peking, and the governors of nine provinces were Muslims. After the Yuan dynasty (1279 %u2013 1368) was overthrown and followed by the Ming dynasty (1368 %u2013 1644) many of the Mongols who had lived in China become Chinese in practice. Although Islam had a large affect on ancient Mongolia during the Yuan dynasty, today only 4% of the Mongolian population follows the Islamic ways.
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by abhinav on Dec 17, 2007 07:55 PM
but u accept that 2.7 million had left islam and converted to buddhism earlier....??
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 07:59 PM
Dear Wahaj, The great-great grand son of Kabuli Khan named Altan Khan converted back to Buddism and the Mangolian followed him. Read following paragraphs.
Larry Moses traces the first contact of the Mongolians with Buddhism back to the 4th century A.D. By that time the T´o-pa Wei dynasty would have some influence on the Juan-juan dynasty which dominated Mongolia at that time (Moses 1977: 23-4). A later Buddhist influence is that of the Kitan in the 10th century, from which at the time of writing a stupa in Kerulen Bars Khota and the remainings of Buddha statue at Khalkhin Gol. In 1125 the Kitan dynasty falls and Mongolia reverts to a disorganized collection of warring tribes in which Nestorianism, Manicheism and shamanism are the main religions. (Moses 1977: 34-9) It is in the time of the Great Khans that the Tibetan form of Buddhism gains influence in Mongolia. In the beginning of the 13th century Chinggis Khan conquers Tibet. The leader of the biggest empire ever was known for his religious tolerance, having Nestorian Christians, Moslems, Manicheïsts and shamans within his realm. When after his death trouble arises in Tibet his grandson is send to settle things. Allthough doing this with a trail of destruction he makes friends with Sakya (Sa skya) Pandita, the patriarch of the Sa skya sect. With these two the special Tibetan lama-patron relationship starts. Godan´s successor Khubilai Kahn continued this relation with Sakya Pandita´s nephew Phags-pa. He was kept at the
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by ujwal mehta on Dec 17, 2007 07:53 PM
better u convert WAHAJ U WILL BE DEVELOPED IN THINKING AND WILL BE PROGRESS IN U..URFAMILY..UR COMMUNITY ...GOD BLESS U..
RE:MONGOLS DEFEATED MUSLIMS, THEN EMBRACED ISLAM
by sharath chandra on Dec 17, 2007 07:26 PM
Wahaj... better u watch video caption at youtube At the cross roads-malaysia. yes they have not used sword but...they r using prostitudesss to convert
Sonia Gandhi actually requested the Malay government to press charges against Hindus in that country. She is against Hindus and actively wants to promote Christianity.
RE:Sonia's Hand Detected
by Ha ha hi hi on Dec 17, 2007 07:42 PM
Yes ur an Ass!!! Only due to the Pressure tactics of this w..itch sonia the Hindus were released.. had we had BJP now at the center than .. the bjp would had said that this people are not indian ... and a matter of malaysian govt... See how they handled Hindus in FIJI during their term
When Mongol King Halagoo took upon himself to rid world off Islam, he defeated Muslim Caliph, occupied Iraq, and got ALL natives of Baghdad killed, along with Caliph...60 Lakh muslims were massacred by his army in cold blood to RID world of Islam ! but that is part I of the story...
...in part II, Halagoo's own cousine brother Berbek embraced Islam, raised a Mongol converted-to-Islam fraction of army, and challenged Halagoo. Berbeks newly convert-to-Islam Mongol army only grew stronger and stronger...and it took him only two years to decimate halagoo and his army,...and look...voila, Islam was ruling again...Thereafter Mongols took Islam to rest of Central and East Asia.
RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by abhinav on Dec 17, 2007 07:15 PM
why did aurazeb kill his own brother .... because he was interested in converting to hinduism.......????
this is how islam has survived.........based on terror....apostasy is punishable by death in islam........but no longer........this is the 21st century........people will not bow down to terror anymore........
RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by abhinav on Dec 17, 2007 07:33 PM
read history dear.....his name was dara sikoh......auranzeb got him murdered because he wanted to convert to hinduism....
RE:RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by abhinav on Dec 17, 2007 07:36 PM
here some proof for u :
Dara was a follower of Lahore's famous Qadiri Sufi saint Hazrat Mian Mir, whom he was introduced to by Mullah Shah Badakhshi (Mian Mir's spiritual disciple and successor) and who was so widely respected among all communities that he was invited to lay the foundation stone of the Golden Temple in Amritsar by the Sikhs. He devoted much effort towards finding a common mystical language between Islam and Hinduism. Towards this goal he translated the Upanishads from its original Sanskrit into Persian so it could be read by Muslim scholars. His translation is often called "Sirre Akbar" or The Greatest Mystery......
RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by Sameer Pathak on Dec 17, 2007 08:03 PM
all you are saying is was trying to find some common launguage between hinduism and islam where is history saying that he wanted to convert????????
RE:RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by abhinav on Dec 17, 2007 07:39 PM
read history dear.....his name was dara sikoh
Dara was a follower of Lahore's famous Qadiri Sufi saint Hazrat Mian Mir, whom he was introduced to by Mullah Shah Badakhshi (Mian Mir's spiritual disciple and successor) and who was so widely respected among all communities that he was invited to lay the foundation stone of the Golden Temple in Amritsar by the Sikhs. He devoted much effort towards finding a common mystical language between Islam and Hinduism. Towards this goal he translated the Upanishads from its original Sanskrit into Persian so it could be read by Muslim scholars. His translation is often called "Sirre Akbar" or The Greatest Mystery......
RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by Amar Desai on Dec 17, 2007 07:18 PM
just wait for the lat drop of oil in middle east and then ee what unle sam will do to middle east. dont worry its not very far, the expected oil reserves is only for next 18 years.
RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by sudhanshu singh on Dec 17, 2007 07:29 PM
But then the whole mangolia again converted to Buddhism from islam after realising the truth of Islam. Now you will not find a single muslim in Mangolia.
RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by satyavachan on Dec 17, 2007 08:08 PM
correct your facts. mangolia got converted to partially christianity & partially to buddhism but never to islam. changez khans one wife was christian. mangols of eastern mangolia (now mangolia)were enemy of muslims. earlier they practiced shamanism relegion but later turned to buddhism but neither they adopted islam as today. however mangols of western mangolia (now kazakastan) accepted islam & spread it to eastern europe & russia & helped ottomon empire to fade away crusades against muslims.
RE:HOW ISLAM GROWS
by sharath chandra on Dec 17, 2007 07:15 PM
BUT REALITY AT IRAQ MUSLIM BROTHERS R KILLING THEIR OWN BROTHERS ( MORE THAN 3 MILLIONS BY NOW) WHY?????
