i work for pvt company because i can get better salary than the govt job. however few of the friends i know joined Delhi Municipal corporation as junior engineer or clercks etc. the salaries(official) of all of them is much lower than mine. However the kind of assets they have accumulated in span of few years is mind boggling. I cant even think of buying such properies even after working for many years at much higher salaries. From outside they look commom govt official without much income but they have actual so expensive lifestyle and luxury. I just wonder how couuld they afford it on such lower salaries(official). There is corruption in other countries also but they work and do the things they are supposed and then get the cut. In India these people digest all the money without any work or such poor quality of work. Infrastructure speak itself of this. everything in such poor condition and looks of so poor quality. Even the poorest country and smalleest countries have better quality infrastructure and public work. Thats why as an Indian living abroad and paying taxes and duties sincerely, the state of govt corruption from political leaders to officials put us all indians in embarassing situation. Because nobody in the world cheat their own country so much and in such manner. thats why the quality of everything is so poor. and please dont bring the issue of few IITS and IIMs as quality benchmarks. its just that these instititution get some of the best talent after gruelling
RE:Corruption of lowest quality
by Mohandas Karamchand Pradhan on Sep 01, 2007 08:03 AM
it is not exactly man as you say.some have not to all.you may notice some organisation like research units,railwas,postal,educational institutes like NITs,DRDO,ISRO,BARC ,JAWANS particularly working in JK and himalayan regions all are doing fine and doing good jobs.all are not corrupted and maintaining the luxury life as you presumed.as private organisation is concerned are you sure no corruption exists there??there also happen bt in diiferent way.by the way you shuld also know some creams of talents joins govt jobs with comparatively less salary(you know) only to serve for the country (nation)not to do corruption.
RE:Corruption of lowest quality
by sunil pradhan on Aug 31, 2007 11:00 AM
yes very much true even i;m working in a mnc i dont have accumulated property/money/goods as much my friends from govt. emoloyees got. if consider their salary their wealths are not proportionate to their income. so wht the govt. doing
Hai everybody.I am a central govt employee.I fully agree with most of the views regarding inefficiency,corruption ete.This is due to red tapism and patronage by political leaders coupled with premium for any job or big money for money spinning posting.Job security is the biggest threat for non performance.Accountablity should be the order of the day then only govt machinary will serve better.
RE:GOVT EMPLOYEE
by sunil pradhan on Aug 31, 2007 10:44 AM
corruptions in central govt. is not as rapmapnt as in state govt. officials. May god save this country ! center may review state govt. officials for smooth running.
Corruption in our country is institutionalized.The posts that yield maximum returns have been identified and goes to the highest bidder among eligible/sometimes non eligible contenders. These contenders have political backing and focus solely on looting as much as possible with a percentage being paid to guarateed political patronage and protection. Political parties, corrupt media houses, dharna fixated party workers etc, engage in shadow boxing to confuse the public when corruption is exposed and the issue dies naturally since public memory is short. This happens at every level from quatrocchi, bangaru laxman,sukh ram, George fernandes, soren, contracters, builders, govt employees to even the clerical grade employees of the govt. Now there is an important twist to this whole issue that is Criminalisation of Corruption, since increasingly the political masters are now starting to have criminal background in the form of multiple rapes, murders,extorsion,prostitution etc,since political parties see only the winnability of the candidates whether by hook or crook. This creates a dangerous nexus where institutions and organizations that go after corruption are targetted like tehelka,Indian express in the pvt sector, and organizations like CBI etc have the heads changed to suit the political party in power.Whistle blowers like Manjunath or the likes of him in Bihar who opposed corruption in NHAI can be easily eliminated in this system leaving the citizens to fend for themselves.
RE:institutionalised corruption
by sunil pradhan on Aug 31, 2007 10:46 AM
from hightest office to bottomline e'one involved in this process. if highest office transform them into honest there are chances corruption minimised. god save this country...
Everyone is happy with the increase in salary but what about burden on tax payers, In a country where a lot of population is struggling for minimum wages, it is highly unfair to take care only for organised Govt. sector. Otherwise More than 80% Govt. servants(Commoners) are paid 3 to 4 times more comparing to their counter part in private sector as a total package, 15% are paid equal to private sector and 5% (technocrates and people at the help of affairs) are underpaid. Govt. must also retire all people or reconsider the continuity of the employees after 25 years of servce, this will weed out useless and corrupt people.
RE:DA
by Kirti Chandra Behera on Aug 31, 2007 10:50 AM
Where did you get these statistics ? For your kind information, private salaries are also revised based on CPI-IW whcih is the basis of revision of DA. Regarding your observations, these are just the reverse. In private sector people are get paid more. And I do not work in govt. sector though I was working with the central govt. earlier. If u r efficient, competent work with private sector, work more and get more pay. In govt sector irrespective of your work you will get the same as other (who either perform or not). And please read the earlier comments so that you will get a fair idea on govt and private jobs.
These govt employees every year get increment. irrespective of Govt's bad or good financial conditions. If conditions is bad several taxes are increased to meet their demands ad the expense of common man. But what about Farmers get in this country. Has everybody thought about this? Apart from fixed salaries they earn under the table. Categories, police, peons, conductors, staff at court, TC Collector, talathi, RTO staff, staff in train, and other govt depts. In private nobody pays without output. high salary in IT is directly proportionate to output. salaries in this sector should not be compared to Govt.depts. You ask why people prefer govt. job. Immedaite answer will be half year is a holiday, they are paid for bunking jobs during heavy rainfall, riots, no transport available, some politician dies and several other reasons. PRIVATIZATION OF ALL GOVT SERVICES IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM TO WHICH THESE GOVT EMPLOYES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OPPOSING TOOTH AND NAIL AND FOR THE SAKE OF VOTEBANK NO GOVT TAKES ANY DECISION AGAINST THEM
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by Anand A on Aug 31, 2007 10:11 AM
while you go all guns blazing at criticizing all govt organisations, spare a thought for teachers in IIMS, IITS, Universities, and premier scientific govt organisations. pvt cos can't run the country they can exploit and sell it
RE:RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by Venu gopal on Aug 31, 2007 10:57 AM
I agree with Mr.Anand's comments.But we can not ignore the other importent govt. organs.Almost all other govt.depts are fully currupted!This is now leagalised!Am I correct?
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by A K Singh on Aug 31, 2007 10:15 AM
My dear Rakesh, it is true that the permormance of the Govt sector is not upto the mark, but did you consider the salary what a lower class such as Peon, LDC or even High Grade clerks get for the job they perform. Talking about the corruption in some of the Deptt like Police, Court, RTO is not the solution. We have to change the working condition of these Deptt. Most of the common man does not like to pay anything extra, but the effluent class say Businessman, Politician, etc who want the decision or work to be in their favour adopt the wrong way and the common man has also to follow the same path as they have no othere option. If we, the common people, do not yeild to the undue demand of any officer/clerk in any department, the department will have no option but to perform their duties within a time period. It is, we who want out of turn allotment of quarters, gas, admission, service, etc and involve the concerned officials to do unlawful work. Thos lowly paid clerks/peons do not willfully do any wrong work, it is the system which make him commit such mistake. Think about the flyover at NOIDA crossing, which even after Supreme Court's order is not ready to give the land to the Govt for widening the clover/flyover just due his money/ poilitical power and giving a harrowing time to all the common commuters using that flyover. Just ponder about the scanario around you preferable the episodes of Blue Line Buses of which the owners are the Policemen and Politicians of Delhi.
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by anurag kaushik on Aug 31, 2007 10:50 AM
i work for pvt company because i can get better salary than the govt job. however few of the friends i know joined Delhi Municipal corporation as junior engineer or clercks etc. the salaries(official) of all of them is much lower than mine. However the kind of assets they have accumulated in span of few years is mind boggling. I cant even think of buying such properies even after working for many years at much higher salaries. From outside they look commom govt official without much income but they have actual so expensive lifestyle and luxury. I just wonder how couuld they afford it on such lower salaries(official). There is corruption in other countries also but they work and do the things they are supposed and then get the cut. In India these people digest all the money without any work or such poor quality of work. Infrastructure speak itself of this. everything in such poor condition and looks of so poor quality. Even the poorest country and smalleest countries have better quality infrastructure and public work. Thats why as an Indian living abroad and paying taxes and duties sincerely, the state of govt corruption from political leaders to officials put us all indians in embarassing situation. Because nobody in the world cheat their own country so much and in such manner. thats why the quality of everything is so poor. and please dont bring the issue of few IITS and IIMs as quality benchmarks. its just that these instititution get some of the best talent after gruelling
RE:RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by Venu gopal on Aug 31, 2007 11:14 AM
Yes Mr. Anurag, Who is much worst?A terrerist,a currupted politician or a corrupted govt employee?
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by suresh kotilthiruvakadu on Aug 31, 2007 10:32 AM
Friend, for your kind information, pl understand that lower grade govt.employees are getting very less salary compared to other private companies. An average salary of a govt. employee with 25-30 years experience would be more or less Rs.10,000/-. Pl. also note that a govt. employee is a part of govt.and the salary should be given by govt. only.
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by arungopal agarwal on Aug 31, 2007 10:41 AM
Govt. employees(Commoner) should count- cost to the Govt.not the carry home,such as medical,LTC, PF,pension,Leave encashment, overtime, unlimited leaves-Casual,sick and annual,uniform,canteen,many many other benefits, plus the guarantee, that he cannot be divorced, whether work or does not work etc.,etc.,
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by sunil pradhan on Aug 31, 2007 10:48 AM
worst ! nothing would happen in this country, dont waste time, better part of this corrupt system
RE:RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by Venu gopal on Aug 31, 2007 11:07 AM
Mr.Vijaykumar, I think you are very proud to be a govt employee.We all know ,there is no need of any brilliance to get govt job nowadays. If you belong to some caste or religion or some politician you can get it.Very few deserved ones are luckly getting too.In the near future the standard of govt offices will be at reservation level!!
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by Mohandas Karamchand Pradhan on Sep 01, 2007 08:18 AM
as you quoted"there is no need of any brilliance to get govt job nowadays"how silly way you think mydear.you are not supposed to decide what country needs.in fact i think you dund know the exact horizon of govt job in broad sence...sorry to say.
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by Trivedi A on Aug 31, 2007 10:00 AM
Though i am a central Govt employee but i totally agree with Mr. Rakesh. Privatization and payment on the basis of work output should be implemented in this country.
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by Shantanu Biswas on Aug 31, 2007 10:19 AM
The persons outside government have very skewed up ideas. Increment is only annual and paltry ranging from mere Rs.60/- per annum to maximum of Rs.500/- only as against hefty amounts earned in private sector. This has been jumbled up with grant of DA which is in accordance with the price index. Therefore, the government official does not earn as much as his private sector counter-part even though at early stages of life he may have had a better academic record viz a viz his private sector counterpart and this merit is what had secured the job for him. Except for some job security, the govt. sector official is not in any better situation than his private sector counterpart. May I ask you one simple straight question - Whether you get evaluated only on merits in a private sector? The reply to this will give you the answer to your theory.
RE:INCREMENTS SHOULD BE PERFORMANCE BASED
by Venu gopal on Aug 31, 2007 10:52 AM
Mr Biswas I am also an employee.Can you put your hand in chest and declare that you are doing your work correctly ?
It is generally observed that all government officials / employees having authority for inspection / licence / taxeare more corrupt in everyday dealings.
All RTOs are so much greedy that u can never imagine. If one of your friend' parent do job in RTO (Regional Transport Office - under Motor Vehicle deptts), ask him / her how much illegal cash everyday he charge from Transporters . All the border check gates are full of corrupt employess who collect more than his salary everyday from Transporters.No TV channels are showing it.No Vigilance deptt Raid do not take place.
It is well known that service tax registration is must for service providers as per the service tax law as SERVICE TAX will be deposited against the Registration Number.But if u go to Excise Superintendent , he will ask for money ( how much depends with the client-ranging from Rs.5000/- to ....).If u ask the family members of a Superintendent of Excise deptt. , you will know more.
All the things are happening regularly . Are we serious to prevent it ? People should float idea how to prevent corruption in our daily life.
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by TS RAO on Aug 31, 2007 10:12 AM
When these corrupted politicians are ruling the government do not expect any miraculous? As long as these corrupted politicians are running the Govt.we should not expect corruption free activities.
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by sunil pradhan on Aug 31, 2007 10:50 AM
from highest office to bottom e'one involved in this corruption. no chances, god only save ! don;t waste ur time, better part of this corrupt system & enjoy life
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by ACARF on Aug 31, 2007 09:25 AM
It is very difficult. You cannot see what other senior goverment officials do everywhere. Their first aim is to collect money directly or indirectly. Because their bosses are doing the same thing. This is most unfortunet but true. If you visit any goverment office. hospital. municipality, employment exchange, army/police recruiting centre even school you will find it. We can begin from our home to prevent it.
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by manickam ravi on Aug 31, 2007 09:47 AM
a corrupt employee is protected by communal and political links. it is one of the evil aspects of reservation. by getting the job through political links and communal links backed by heafty payments, how can one expect a govt. servant be honest. before implementation reservation policy, corruption was only in limited areas. now it is rampent and omni present in every area. we can think of bringing a legislation of punishing those who are giving bribes.
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by dhirendra singh on Aug 31, 2007 10:28 AM
i m totally agree with u.. being working in IT company when ever i have to face a RTO officer he will charge any thing from his mind and ask for money.. why gov and TV channel are not doing any thing in this regards.. eriler i was thinking to work for India.. but i dont want to work for India and wants to go abroad.. when we all educated ppl will leave India. then only govt will relise our importance
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by Venu gopal on Aug 31, 2007 11:42 AM
The late PM Rajeev went US and pleed the Indian technocrats to come back to India.He has concerns about brain drain! What is happening here now?No intelligent people cane survive in India.The govts are looking only castes and religions only.They are filling all posts with reservtion.The funny thing is their leader is the late Rajeev.The prsent govt already crossed all the boundaries in this respect.Last week our PM asked our technologists in DRDO to invent new arsonels for the forces.He also added otherwise he will buy it from outside...What a country is this?They are not looking for quality people at key posts,no merrit requierd in professional education no respect to the people who contributed to this country...OK what is left?Who can prevent good intellectuals to fly away?All has only one life..right?Or can we wait for punargenma to reborn in same India as an eligible reservation guy?
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by on Aug 31, 2007 12:35 PM
Dear Friend, please check, how many SC/ST faculties are in IIT%uFFFDs, almost none (ca. 1%). Nobody in the selection panel is going to hire you, if you say your are a reservation candidate, even if you have a PhD from the world top class universities (US and europe)and high quality pulications. Still, the IIT faculty selection is mainly dominated by higher caste faculty members, so the selction is like our cricket board, they always go for a higher caste guy, whose is performing poorly after getting the job. The only merit certificate he/she has is, his/her higher caste certificate, there are so many IIT faculties doing almost no research, enjoying all the central govt. benefits.
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by myvoice on Aug 31, 2007 10:01 AM
Thank u for your views.Corruption has no colour / religion / caste / community . It spreads like cancer whenever there is such environment.
The main factor that indulges corruption is social recognition . If a government official buys 12 plots , he has more social recognition than other one who buys 6 plots. Like this.
To prevent corruption , it should be stareted with school.There may be some awareness programme how corrupt parents are damaging our society.Students should discourage their parents in government jobs who take bribes.
RE:Say NO to Corruption
by Ganeshan Pooludaiyan on Aug 31, 2007 09:22 AM
Hello Common man, the views expressed by you are common to one and all. Everybody knows about it. But how to curtail corruption? Why don't you float some idea first? We don't want complaints from public. We only want remedy. Give a suitable and practical remedy, then you are great. nasenag963@yahoo.co.in
RE:Lucky Government Employees!
by hunasehalli rudranna gowda on Aug 31, 2007 09:35 AM
Every organisation has good and bad people: don't come to the conclusion that all are bad only think of thier rights there are people who perform thier duties sincerly my dear Bharat
RE:Lucky Government Employees!
by Venu gopal on Aug 31, 2007 11:46 AM
Hunsehalli rudranna gowda may be a good guy.But can you show us at least five people around you?
RE:Lucky Government Employees!
by on Oct 07, 2007 07:41 PM
See Mr Gowda i absolutely agree with your view point that there are curropt people in the govt service but they are there every where in private sector as well. the ration of good to bad is almost the same. and in fact people like you enforce curroption. eg if you are caught by a police man for rash driving/ using mobile you try to get rid of your self from heavy fine or legal hassles by giving some thing to that police. police is corrupt but you are more curropt as you are promoting it.
