i have seen lots of posts on rediff discussion board that, we made a muslim president we made a vice president..let me tell u somethign, they elected on their merit, thier talent, their education. and all of you must have noted that he was the most sucessful president of indian history . y u all say this country (india) is of hindus, this country is muslims too.. may of muslims fought for the county. many of us died for the country. its a collective sacrifice that we got independence. so wths is the big deal if u make one muslim president in 60 years. we made the rest of the presidents, vice presidents, prime ministers. we never said we made a so and so y u then???? i know there's going to be some stupid replys to my question above.
RE:Wrong approach
by JGN on Sep 01, 2007 03:23 PM
Dear TrueWorrior, while I agree with you that there is no need to segregate people on the basis of caste, colour, creed or religion, your statement that one muslim was made president in 60 years is incorrect. Dr. Zakir Hussain and Fakruddin Ali Ahmed were elected asPresident of India earlier.
RE:Wrong approach
by Vasanth Srinivas on Sep 02, 2007 09:20 PM
Oh yes... In addition to "reservation" you people also need "Power Sharing" in the country's highest posts...! Great. Abdul Kalam is the most successful president - every child knows that & no doubt in that. Islam is the most barbaric religion - every human being knows that.
RE:Wrong approach
by hiral joshi on Sep 01, 2007 11:40 PM
I am glad that you posted this message, your message has shown why reservation is not needed for muslims.
It is true that there are Muslims who cheat, bribe and whose personal character is indeed disappointing when judged by the standard of Islam. There are black sheep in every community, and the Muslim community has theirs. It is important to bear in mind though, that display of such low ethical standards by some Muslims is a result of not following the teachings of Islam.In the current political climate, it has become fashionable to associate Islam with obscurantist ideas, and extremist behavior. Millions of Muslims worldwide focus on righteous deeds in this life, in order to attain eternal salvation in the hereafter. Muslims are the biggest community of teetotalers in the world. Every year, Muslims donate billions of dollars in charity, as part of their religious obligation of Zakah.The vast majority of law-abiding, righteous Muslims, however, do not make the headlines, the way deviants do.This has resulted in the perpetuation of negative stereotypes of Muslims. Judging Islam by the behavior of some Muslims is akin to judging a car by an erratic driver.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by MOHAMMED raj on Sep 01, 2007 03:45 PM
Dear sizzling machine, after seeing your post , I can say why you guys are called gutless or shitless. Really shame on you. People like you only bring shame to our country, People like you only bring shame to religion, People like you are born with outside help, Shame on your thinking sizzling machine.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Vasanth Srinivas on Sep 02, 2007 09:22 PM
Yes... Shame on our thinking. Be proud with heads up for your "Islamic Fighters" and "Jehadists". You will be awarded with the "Nobel Peace Price"
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by MOHAMMED raj on Sep 01, 2007 03:36 PM
Dear sizzling machine, when hitler killed almost all of the jews, No one dared to keep the jews in their country.If they were so nice whey they didnot keep them in europe or usa , what with vast land there BUT BRITISH gave them settlement in palestine until everything settles down.It was a temporary settlement, But after sometime when no country was ready to take the jews , USA supported jews living in palestine.That is unjust startingin 1948.Thats a broadline of things brother.Its a pity that you dont know the root of the problem.The whole world knows this and tells that ISRAEL is doing wrong but no one goes against ISRAEL because of USA behind it. There are many things to tell but I suppose this is enough for now.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 01, 2007 03:01 PM
The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam is peaceful.Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as patriots.Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot.Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.Islam is derived from the word salaam which means peace.Itis a religion of peace whose fundamen
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by JGN on Sep 01, 2007 03:49 PM
Policy of Muslim rulers in India - The general policy of most of the rulers during the 700 years of Muslim occupation of India was to systematically replace the fabric of Hindu society and culture with a Muslim culture. They tried to destroy Indian religions language, places of knowledge (universities e.g Nalanda were totally destroyed by Muslims). They destroyed and desecrated places of thousands of temples including Somnath, Mathura, Benaras, Ayodhaya, Kannauj, Thaneswar and in other places. There was wholesale slaughter of the monks and priests and innocent Hindus with the aim to wipe out the intellectual bedrock of the people they overran. The Muslims could not subjugate India with ease and were never able to rule it entirely. There was a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hindus to deliver India from Muslim tyranny. The Rajputs, Jats, Marathas and Sikhs led this struggle in North India. In the South this struggle was embodied in the Vijayanagar Empire. This struggle culminated when the Marathas ended the Muslim domination of India.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by David on Sep 03, 2007 07:34 AM
islam and christianity are curses on planet earth. Hinduism and Judaism are the only decent philosophies..
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by ems nnn on Sep 01, 2007 03:33 PM
Small correction: Muslims ruled India from 1192 AD to 1740s. Some 500-600 yyears only. Pakistna yes Muslims ruled more than 1000 years
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by Ravindra Dinanath Vartak on Sep 01, 2007 03:19 PM
Dear Ismail Sayyed, pl write some thing better than parroting Dr. Zakir Naik. People judge Muslims by the happening around them and not by what was said by The Prophet 1400 years back.
Also, what was written in The Koran was meant for the inhabitants of Arabian pensula of that time. The same cannot be followed in toto in 21st century.
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by JAVED on Sep 01, 2007 05:37 PM
Mr.Ravindran I fully agree with mohammedbhai that Muslims ruled India for more than 10 centuries but they never converted Hindus otherwise India would hav e been a muslim country.Infact because of Muslims India has survived
RE:Campaign against Muslims
by JGN on Sep 01, 2007 06:05 PM
Dear Javed, let your faith save you. Btw, the ancestors of present day hindus did not suffer under the muslim rule. It was the ancesotrs of present day muslims who suffered. If you want to consider the same as an honour to your ancestors, nobody has any objection!
RE:RE:Campaign against Muslims
by David on Sep 03, 2007 07:37 AM
wrong !! muslims tried tried and tried for 700 years to convert Hindus. All they succeeded was in converting 10%...Islam and Christianity are losers in India and China. That is why the pope and saudi government are spending millions of dollars a month on these 2 countries.
I clearly believes that the blast that took place in Hyderabad is a work of RSS affiliated groups.These people are using it as a political tool to show that the present government is not doing much for the security of the country.These people want to show that the government is appeasing minorities so that it benefits them in the election times.I think how can we blame the Government for the blast.Is it possible to protect each & every citizens of India?The opposition parties are frustrated & they want to wrest the control back using these tactics.It is all politics.So faar no one is caught for the Blast that took place in train going to Pakistan.Also the blast that took place in malegaon went unnoticed.Come on !!Wake up !!Can't you see the truth which is so clear.The opposition is doing all these to defame the current Government ,the way they did when they demolished the Babri mosque.I wanted to asked one question who gained more from that incident.The answer is BJP.They benefited & came to the power.So it clearly indicates that BJP is responsible for all the communal problems in our country.For Electoral gains,BJP is misusing religion.But one thing more,when they ruled the country,they did it in a democratic & secular ways.Which means that they are just misusing religion for political gain.In fact when in power,they never behaved like a communal party.These are my personal views.Just i want to tell everyone to believe in Love for All & Hatred for None!!.
RE:BJP is behind Blast!!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 01, 2007 02:19 PM
Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam. The media is continuously broadcasting and printing information against Islam. They either provide misinformation about Islam, misquote Islam or project a point out of proportion, if any.When any bomb blasts take place anywhere, the first people to be accused without proof are invariably the Muslims. This appears as headlines in the news. Later, when they find that non-Muslims were responsible, it appears as an insignificant news item.If a 50 year old Muslim marries a 15 year old girl after taking her permission, it appears on the front page but when a 50 year old non-Muslim rapes a 6 year old girl, it may appear in the news in the inside pages as Newsbriefs.Everyday in America on an average 2,713 cases of rape take place but it doesn%u2019t appear in the news, since it has become a way of life for the Americans.
RE:BJP is behind Blast!!!
by JGN on Sep 01, 2007 04:09 PM
Dear Ismail Sayyed, there is nothing like "best religion" All religions preach somewhat intolerance towards the followers of other religions. The so-called holy books are creations of surrealistic visionaries and are no more servious than Aesop's Fables or Mulla Naziruddin Stories. All religions and the corresponding god/gods have outlived their utility in today's world driven by science and technology. There is no conclusive evidence of existance of any god. So fighting in the name of non-existent god/gods is a futile exercise.
RE:BJP is behind Blast!!!
by vinay santosh on Sep 01, 2007 04:20 PM
Coz of this type of fellows hindus wil start hating muslims also........instead of showing anger angainst ISI and pakistan, this fellow ismail is trying to divert blame it on RSS and BJP. People who are found of ISI please leave this country and at least make us live here happily.
RE:BJP is behind Blast!!!
by JAVED on Sep 01, 2007 05:39 PM
vinay first study Islam and then talk.you know Islam is the best religion and one which unites all.We muslims are all united.On the other hand you guys are always fighting
RE:BJP is behind Blast!!!
by hiral joshi on Sep 01, 2007 01:55 PM
If BJP or RSS is behind the blasts who is stopping YSR govt to punish them? Muslims of Hyderabad?
RE:BJP is behind Blast!!!
by ems nnn on Sep 01, 2007 11:41 AM
In fact when in power,they never behaved like a communal party.
Yes True. Because BJP is the only truly secular party. Secularism means non-religious. A Bhajan is not secular as it is Hindu devotional. So is the case with a Muslim prayer song. But a movie song is secular as it is non religious. (I told all these bcoz Indians do not know the meaning of word secular) Iam not a secular person because Iam a religious person. Our constitution allows people to be religious. So no need for Indians to be secular(non-religious) But Government should be secular. A secular state (like India) is a state which separates administration from religion (From the idea of separation of church from state of Europe)
In a secular state the civil and criminal laws should not be based on religious laws, rather common laws. Also a secular state should not favour a particular religion or religious group. Now u must introspect Indian state's secular credentials. Here Hindus live under common civil laws, and Muslims have separate civil code based on Shariat. Muslims get reservation while the multi caste, multi ethnic ,undivided Hindus are discriminated. The BJP is trying to convert India from a Islamic republic to a secular democratic republic.
RE:BJP is behind Blast!!!
by nallan srivatsan on Sep 01, 2007 01:39 PM
MR. ISMAIL ,you are talking this even after it is proved that ISI & let are behind this ?Show me a single case where hindus are involved in terrorist activities.RSS is only fighting for their right & never indulge in terrorism.No hindu religious leader preach violence unlike some imaams.Dont be fanatic & be realistic.
RE:BJP is behind Blast!!!
by David on Sep 03, 2007 07:40 AM
muslims are fanatic and btw they are great actors. When someone complains, they put up their secular face but when there is a lull in the scene, they talk abt imam ali, mohammed, saladin.....Muslims and christians will fight to the bitter end and take this world down
Investigating authorities should check for role of Mohd. Haneef in Hyd bomb blast....Aussies deport him for terror link, and he pukes his frustation by executing/ supporting bomb blasts in Hyd....he should be interrogated for any possible leads to the terror cell in Hyd.
RE:RE:RE:Mohd Haneef...the deported terrorist
by Mohit Jain on Sep 01, 2007 02:05 AM
Mr. mulla musalman...tera bika hua hai imaan.... teri rubbish tujhe khud hi shayad samajh aati hogi...ur words make no sense...utter garbage...like the muslim junta....lol
RE:Mohd Haneef...the deported terrorist
by JAVED on Sep 01, 2007 05:40 PM
mohit ke bachhe aa gaya apni aukad pe aur kehta hain hum terrorist hai. Hum mein sher ka jigar hain aur tu ek machhar nahi mar sakta
terrorists like afzal guru if they are not penalised for thier crimes will definately encourage more terrorist activities. i am sorry it si the vote bank which matter today
Just three months after the bomb blast in Mecca Masjid which killed nine persons and five more in the consequent police firing%u2026Twin blasts have rocked the city 5 days back.
The response to the terror has been predictable. Politicians have condemned the terrorist attacks .The state govt has announced compensation packages, the police have rounded up the so called suspects and the opposition accuses the government for its soft stance on terror. The public has watched the clippings in news channels till the gory sight has numbed their sensitivity. What is frightening in the so called cosmopolitan life is the callousness and the insensitivity of the general public(After all the victims are we, the common people).
We immediately point fingers at larger than life terrorist outfits or ISI agents or blame a certain community for the attacks and incite communal passions .
We can look at the act from varied motives :
1)This could be a plan hatched by any opposition party to destabilize or depopularize the present government to regain power in the coming elections. 2)Attack by Naxals %u2026..still don%u2019t understand the function of these self proclaimed robinhoods . Minus the vested interests of the politicians these radicals can be eradicated in no time. 3)Attack by our friendly neighbourhood Pakistan & Bangladesh to create disharmony or political instability to hamper our economic growth.
It goes without saying that we are living in dangerous times, there is no face t
The response of the Chief Minister, AP to the questions lacks dynamism,comprehension,maturity,vision, firmness,confidence and determination. It sounds as if he was unprepared to face the questions. He should basically understand that global terrorism is nothing to do with the religion. It is a power balancing strategy played on by the affluent and mighty nations of the world to keep certain nations under control for dependence.Survival of the fittest is the law of nature universally operative and no force can stall it.'Divisive Politics'is the sole cause of snailish progress of the country.There is no yardstick to measure the political degradation for the occupation or retention of power by the politicians of any political party with utter disregard to the common people of the country.
YSR says that there is no local involvement in Hyderabad attacks. This statement is false and irresponsible.Reactive to the violence he once said 'It is happening in Newyork and London and so It could happen in Hyderabad too'. It is a shame to give such statements being in that position. USA and UK are directly involved in war against terrorism and spending billions of dollars towards the cause. Mr. YSR , what kind of war is A.P or to be precise Hyderabad is fighting with Jihadis ? Perhaps ,the only statement that could be true in the whole interview Mr. YSR gave is 'People have grown over that age of going into communal violence'.People are also smart enough to understand your political interests !!
Now our Politicians are so greedy that they want to hold on to or get to power, they are ready to form Ties or atleast overlook ISI activities in Hyderabad. It is high time to elect people who believe in Hidutva which includes beliefs in 1) Justice to Kashmiri Pundits 2) Who accept that they are either belong to Hindu religion or their ancestors are hindus. 3) Who stands to protect Ramasethu ( Sonia Gandhi is hell bent on demolishing a sacred Hindu bridge....google it you will find more info) 4) Who will amend constitution for Common Civil Code as we have already done for Common Criminal Code. 5) Who wants to develop Sanskrit language as form of communication, Sanskrit has been chosen as medium of storage in Artificial Intelligence systems in NASA in USA. 6) Having a resolve to punish all the organisations which are responsible for terrorist activities in India.
