The Dalits in India are placed in a much worse situation then the blacks in the US. US is a developed country and the blacks are well aware of their rights because of the easily accessible technology/media. Due to this connectivity, in case of a violation of the law, the victim can easily seek justice by seeking support from the various support groups, or otherwise. Beacause of the rural nature of India, the dalits in India are isolated and hence cannot seek justice/support that easily. Affirmative action is the way to bring the deprived people level with other sections of the society. To some it may seem that the such actions have an adversary effect in term of money and/or quality but policy maker should think of the society in entirety and about the condition and aspirations of the deprived section. Only such measures can repair the damage for the suppression of ages and only by such measures the dalits can be brought level with the mainstream society and prevent their further alienation.
Which century are you living in? It is a proven fact that reservations do not benefit the poorest of the poor. Your prescription is worse than the disease. Nobody disputes the fact that inequalities exist.Reservations reduce the size of the Cake.Why do you journalists of the Socialist ilk come up with more practical and innovative ideas? Instead of wasting precious website space, PLEASE CONSIDER following example of Mainlan CHINA? Japan and China were bitter enemies but today major FDI is by Japan and China. They have given up on communism 2 decades back and we are still on the bullock cart in the age of economic reforms. YOUR RECIPE WILL LEAD TO CIVIL WAR AND CHAOS. How many more victims doyou want to claim in the name of Manu Smriti? If you cannot do good please do not do evil.
Your concern for the oppressed and under privilaged is astounding and heart wrenching. In the article , including your "final word on muslims reservations" , there is a single group of people missing. They are women and constitute 50% of India's population. In america , they are considered a GROUP. What do you think?
It requires shamelessness and dire need to do what you are doing. In america , the word is weasel. And even weasels stop themselves after a limit. But of course , you are operating in India.
The reservation system is totally wrong. It should be purely based on population .
The correct reservation would be 60% for OBC 20% for SC, 10% for ST &10 % for forward.
We are all the human and we have no right to take other's share. In such manner there will be 100% reservation according to their share & all have the human right to live so it is justified. It is totally unfair that forwards who have only 10% in population are getting the 90% of the resources of india. For to balance this backward caste people should take part actively in politics and go for voting also. Because we are in democracy and we have to ammend constitution & law for that.
RE: WRONG RESERVATION SYSTEM
by Nayagan on Aug 17, 2004 02:14 AM
Wonderful idea Neha! I like your cacaphony better than Praful's. Your line of reasoning is very much on the line of Praful's but better.
Well, now I have heard everything. MNCs specially within F-500 practise reservations policy though unconsiously, and reservations for Muslims is fully justified. Prafulbhai, MNCs become MNCs and F-500 companies since they make it a point to take the cream of talent available, get what they pay for. If by chance they have 15 or 20 percent minorities on their payroll, it is not intentional but goes to prove the availability of that much talent they are looking for in the minorities. As for muslims, I have personally come across situations where due to inducement by the rich among the muslims, the Mullahs have discouraged the young ones from higher education, to create source for cheap labour.Stick to BJP baiting and preaching St.Sonia teachings, Prafulbahi, one should stick to ones own field.
Dear Mr. Praful Bidwai, Instead of exhorting industry to accept unqualified or undeserving candidates just because they belong to a certain caste, why dont you build an empire like the Tatas or the Ambanis and THEN hire whoever you want. Morons like you give advice and write columns, let us see you build a brick and morter industry and then follow your own advice. Pramod
good question
by poo on Aug 15, 2004 04:22 PM
dear pramod so ur solution is sc/st/obcs and all other nonmerirotious people should open ther own companies and not fight for jobs in the companies created by the meritorious tatas birlas godrejs etc[they were all national toppers u see and built their concerns on ther own earned money with no inheritance].even when ur god father country of dreams the united bushes of america is providing afirmative action inspite of the whites being a majority i dread to think what would have been the state of the nonmeritorious in our country if the merit inherited upper castes were numerically stronger.finally what is merit army consisting fully of sikhs because they r tall and run fast are the current reserved system of each state having afixed vacancy.parliment consisting fully of economic graduates or from allwalks of life from ailliterate farmer commited to development to doctors,nurses,lawyers,social activists etc.why a parsi company is dominated by parsis and a muslim company by muslims is it merit dear
RE:Dear Mr. Bidwai
by Kaushik on Aug 19, 2004 08:29 AM
You didn't get the point, poo. He's asking Praful to open a company and practise what he preaches. He is not asking SCs/STs to do that.
RE:Dear Mr. Bidwai
by Ramki on Aug 17, 2004 10:54 PM
So U want Ratan Tata or KM Birla's post not anything underneath. Tisco has 50K employees, TCS has 30K, Telco has 30K - you mean to say all are parsis. I think even the whole parsi population in the age group of 25-50 will not have so many people. What we are talking about are simple jobs sir. Not running business empires. Dont argue blindly just for the sake of it.
Dear praful, even after reading the facts substantiated with figures about the systematic discriminaton of the dalits, tribals, and the OBCs the `upper castes` hypocrites would still argue that such thing has never happened. The backwards who in all comprise nearly 80% of the population of india have to snatch their freedom from the beneficiaries of varnashram who despite being just below 20% have near monopoly over all economic-social-politico power positions in the country. You have rightly said that reservations should not be limited to jobs and education but should emcompass all economic activities. Regarding reservations for muslims, it is explained that it is meant for the backward castes amongst the muslims and not for the muslims as a whole. The BJP is once again trying to mislead the nation by spreading rumours that the reservations are on religious grounds. Most of the muslims, nearly 80% of them are converts from the hindu backward castes and hence deserve reservations at par with the backwards of the hindu castes. The private sector in india has never run on merit, no wonder the contribution of this sector towards world trade is a poor below 1%, efficiency ? ha! ha!
I fully agree with praful on affimative action and to uplift the Dalit and other economically backword groups. There are several points where I would like to correct him. 1. Manu smruti is a time and place bound design of the society.So it is dynamics nad ever changing. It does not apply today. When it was written, more than 10,000 years ago caste did existed but people were not considered in the caste just by merely a birth.It was the actions which put them in the respective caste. So when it refers to Brahmin, it is not today's brahmin. They were learned people, almost like todays scientist. Where as Chandals were the people who did the harmful work to the society and they could have born in Brahmin, Kshatriya or vaisha caste. It is the only in last 200 years that people are consindered by caste by birth.
2. I think more than 99% of people today think that all the Dalits and trible people should be brought to the par in economical level. 3. I live in USA for last 35 years and has been employing so called minorities. Believe me the number and other statistics you read are far from truth.Real America you can know only you live with these group of people.
I totally disagree with you. I tell you a story on a person. He is a son of a prohit. His dad dont earn much, his family struggled in a small house with meagre income for his dad. He is a intelligent boy. He did his best in 12th standard. And secured decently good marks to qualify as an Engineer. BUT he was discriminated just because he was wearing a sacred thread, inspite of the fact that, his family needs someone to bring them out of poverty. Its a total injustice. Why should he suffer because his forefathers once did injustice ? He is a human, he caries no history no superiority. Should he suffer for the deeds of his forefathers ? The best part is after suffering the hardship of taking to a non professional college (non professional is not bad. but it was not his wish). He did his PG in IIT. Such brilliant was he who was denied an entry in to engineering. In the same year, I know an SC/ST a son of a wealthy doctor father(who got his doctor seat also by reservation). He was admitted to engineering even though he scored poorly, inspite of all the facilities given to him by his rich father. How cruel it is ! Give SC/ST facilities needed to study but dont reserve.
