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Geetha
Well said Swapan!
by Geetha on Sep 10, 2003 09:43 AM

We need a thousand more Swapans to whip up patriotism in its true form in India! Resigning to fate is the favourite line that most Indians toe and therefore it is hardly surprising that any dastardly act goes without bringing about any major change in the society's outlook and response..What a Shame!

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Lets Make India Free.....
Lets Make India Free.....
by Lets Make India Free..... on Sep 09, 2003 02:39 PM  | Hide replies

Lets Make India Free..... From Swapan Dasgupta and Like Minded People..........

You seems to have lot of knowledge of what happens in sermons on fridays in so many countries. How come you don't even bother to hear and write about the HINDU FANATICS speeches and slogan shouting instigating goons who are later considered as SEVAKS. Instead of pointing fingers at others, first write on these HATE SPREADING angencies, to find them you don't have to take any one's help. Just visit the meetings, publich gathering and you will see who spreads what.

Please cover the story of the pregnant woman who was raped, her womb cut and her baby was taken out, flunged on trishul and both burnt later. Any sensible human will react after anyone in his community has gone through that. Don't write on REACTIONS, write first on INSTIGATION. And then please write what happensin Friday Sermon.

Again, if we keep writing like this, we won't go anywhere. But if we Make India Free..... Modi's, Togadia's, And ofcos THOSE MINDLESS KASHMIR'S MILITANTS, we can see light, otherwise........

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armour
Corny sense
by armour on Sep 09, 2003 02:07 PM


As usual gupta sir is vague and corny .

Politicians do not work within the range of public opinion .Some of them are gross dictators .Narendra Modi is one such politician .And what are the middle class expected to do by saying enough is enough?
Shoot the 12 crore muslims who by sheer co-incidence and not out of their asking were born in India and now expect to be treated as equals under the Indian Constitution.

Sadly Mr.Gupta by staying in the company of the BJP politicians have convenietly forgotten the writing of the constitution.perhaps this will give him a seat in the Rajya Sabha like chandan mitra.

Wake up guptaji.
armour

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Zaigham A. Kazmi
Full of lies - II
by Zaigham A. Kazmi on Sep 09, 2003 12:07 PM

Mr. Gupta
Terrorism usually start in the Ghettos but slowly it spreads into the middle class and then the whole community looses sensitivity and becomes too partisan (one would have hoped that as a journalist you would know that). The entry of few middle-class educated muslims is an exception right now but soon it will be norm. The only way to handle it is to deal with terrorists harshly while giving due consideration to the genuine complaints of the community.
From bhagalpur to hashipura to Gujarat, muslims had to suffer unfairly. Gujarat is a mess even now. After every such incident, they suck it up and then go along with their lives. The vote-bank politics: haj subsidies, personal laws don't make up for those suffering and feelings of injustice. To expect that these incidents will have no impact on muslims psyche is utterly silly. If terrorists are not from Gujarat, it does not mean that Gujarati muslims don't deserve justice. Would you have approved of terrorisms, if terrorists were victims of Gujarat riots.
We all should feel outrage at terrorism. But that outrage should be directed at majority terrorism as well as minority terrorism.

Zaigham A. Kazmi

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avan
Sangh Parivar view
by avan on Sep 09, 2003 12:02 PM  | Hide replies

It seems that Mr DasGupta is writing the article on behalf of the Sangh Parivar or he is Sangh Parivar activist. Only such crooked minds can distort facts.Why is he blind about the plight of Indian muslims? What about the 2000 and odd muslims (according to Official figures-in reality the figure is much more than this) butchered by the Sangh parivar with the aid of the state police force controlled by the RSS chief minister?

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Varun Shekhar
RE:Sangh Parivar view
by Varun Shekhar on Sep 14, 2003 10:51 PM

Swapan's point is that the terrorists are *not* avenging Gujarat, in fact they are just trying to harm India, because India has a non-Moslem majority. If the Mumabai blasts really were revenge for Gujarat that a)does not make them right and b) does not explain why Hindus/other non-Moslems in Moslem countries don't avenge the horrible things done to them there. Surely, you don't think everything is well with Hindus in Banglaesh, Pakistan or in ex-Taliban ruled Afghanistan? Or with Bahais and Jews in Iran, or with all non-Moslems in Saudi Arabia? There are no bomb blasts going off in those countries, are there?

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Zaigham A. Kazmi
Full of lies - I
by Zaigham A. Kazmi on Sep 09, 2003 11:44 AM

Mr. Gupta

First no one has claimed that minorities are turning to terrorism because their voting power is being offset. BJP has gained political ground in the last decade but there is no evidence to proof that it has caused muslims to drift towards terrorism. Indian muslims know very well what democracy is and for most part have tried to address their woes through democratic means. True Modi's election has not been a pleasant news. But then Modi's election symbolizes something much more dangerous and sinister than simple democracy.

Second, from muslim leaders to bleeding hear liberals no one has said that Gujarat justifies terrorism (as opposed to hindu leaders who have justified Gujarat as a reaction to Godhra). We all have been unanimous in condemning the terrorism and demanding punishment. It is possible that global jihadi phenomenon has affected Indian muslims. But it is a fact that Indian muslims have not been affected as other muslims in the world. Gujarat can be used to change that and recruit Indian muslims in large numbers. Is it unfair to demand justice for Gujarati victims whether they adopt terrorism or not?

Thanks
Zaigham A. Kazmi
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Krishna
Question
by Krishna on Sep 09, 2003 11:44 AM  | Hide replies

What about rise of hindu fundamentalism? Can we attribute that to the rise of muslim fundamentalism? That doesnt seem difficult to accept. Dont you think that this is an unstable situation where one act of violence by one community will perpetrate a few more from the second community? Why is it difficult to accept that the scale of riots in gujrat (not just the numbers but the chilling stories as well) can change a few otherwise-peaceful people's minds? It is rightly said that good Indians should muster the energy to say enough-is-enough. But that alone may not be sufficient. We need to show quick justice in courts for what happened in gujrat and not in streets as some politicians intended to do there.

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Tushar
At last, calling spade a spade !
by Tushar on Sep 09, 2003 11:39 AM

It was indeed, nice to read one voice which calls spade a spade. Number of newspapers (led by the largest Indian Newspaper) have been crying over roof tops that every act of terrorism is because of Gujrat riots.
However, when you are right you need no publicity. As Swapan Dasgupta has rightly pointed out real factory of terrorism is beyond Indian boudaries. The real funding is from outside the country. And the real motivation is from within madarassas in and outside the country.
A short but factual account of (Islamic) terrorism and its roots.
Mr. Swapan, we would certainly look forward to more detailed and well researched analysis of this menace, very soon.

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gulfam
lets get together to think
by gulfam on Sep 09, 2003 11:32 AM

I am sure the author of this article has done his home work before writing this piece. I comend him for the same.
I do agree that roots of this spurt of terror go long back to blame Gujrat events and reactions to the same.
Having said that, I am of the view that on one hand it is very important for us to ensure that the resentment in a paricular community should not be directed against the state, which is so at the present. We have to devise mehtods and policies to wean away this negative energy and turn it into constructive, democratic and legal movement. I am also of the view that it will take time and well thought of strategy at national level. Now for this do we really trust our politicians? If yes, let them try it once again, if no, let us all get together in what so ever way we can to bring up these discussions as often as possible and as forcefully as possible being little carefull about the sore nerve of people involved (religion becomes a very strong uniting force, though for wrong reasons most of the times).
I also plead to one and all to seriusly think do we really need this Gujrat thing happening again and again...... its these incidents which act as breeding grounds

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