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Pakistan''s half-truths and lies


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Sufii
Kashmir a core issue for Pak not for India
by Sufii on Aug 21, 2003 01:50 PM

Pak must learn that its of no use to take the possession of land. Even by some virtue they are able to chop some land from Indian Kashmir they will gift it to China. So instead of asking India scarifies, its now the time of Pakis to scarifies. If it can scarifies/gift Kashmir to China y can't it scarifies/gift Kashmir to India. The problem is that after gifting Kashmir to China Pak has got AK-47 and other weapons from China as a return gift. These dangerous weapons he simply forwarded to Kashmiris and Afghanis in order to disturb the peace of the valley. Saudi Arabia and other hate loving nations funded the terrorists who were unemployed youth of Pak, Afghan and J&K.

If such a funding becomes legal in India, India can build a huge army of 3 crores terrorists. But India would not do it. Many reasons wasteful misuse of funds, discipline and control of this huge army, fear of backfire, size of army many time bigger then Indian army etc.

One thing is true by creating a huge army of terrorist Pak has proved itself to be a Traitor to the Indian subcontinent including Afghanistan.


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Ravi
Excellent work!
by Ravi on Aug 21, 2003 07:36 AM

Dear Mr Lavakare

This as usual is another very well researched article. It is a pity that the Indian English press succumbs to the slightest overtures from the biggest exporter of IT (International Terrorism).

If they have liked Lalloo so much why don't they take him ?!

Keep up the good work! I only wich that the powers that be keep a similar eye out and avoid falling into a trap.

Regards
Ravi

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Narinder Dogra
Pakistans stand on J&K
by Narinder Dogra on Aug 21, 2003 07:35 AM

Pakistan's stand suits India very well and lets
hope Pakistan continues with its current mindset.

India is moving forward economically and
technically and enjoys respect among the civilized
nations.

Pakistan's obsession with Kashmir has yielded
following returns:
Paki is accepted as derogatory word. The whole
world knows that Pakistan is the platform for
worldwide terrorism. Pakistanis are not treated
respectfully in the US at least.
Pakistani economy is in laughable state and
Pakistan is going down the drain in all spheres of
political management.

Pakistani army has conquered Pakistan many
times and looted it to the hilt.

So, don't waste your time, Arvind, on writing about
Pakistan.




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Khan
what a waste of space
by Khan on Aug 21, 2003 07:07 AM  | Hide replies

what is the use of pointing out problems in somebody else when you yourself got the same problems(lying etc).

India's position has always been "kashmir bharat ka atoot-anng hai"(kashmir is integral part of india) so where is the room for discussion/negotiation here?

what would have happened if pakistan would have removed forces from kashmir in 1948(as you carefully articulated)? would india give kashmir to pakistan ? never. would india hold referendum in kashmir to find out if they(people of kashmir) want to be with India or pakistan or neither? never

Please avoid writing useless articles. I am sure you have better things to do with your time.




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Mukesh
Nice one--bring it on the front page
by Mukesh on Aug 21, 2003 02:27 AM

Excellent article by Arvind..great facts ..plz.publish this on the front page of India Abroad or somehow bring this to the notice of all Indians...

Mere Bharat Mahaan..Kashmir hamara hai , hamara hi rahega...Jai Hind

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RAMKUMAR SRIDHARAN
It is not abt. Half-truths and stuffs - Part 4
by RAMKUMAR SRIDHARAN on Aug 20, 2003 11:10 PM

the people have what they need to have. My consciene is clear, J&K is an integral part of India, whether qazi says it otherwise or not. I don't see any reason or whatsoever for us to justify our position. did our neighbour ask about right of self-determination for punjab province of NW provinnce of even bangladesh no he didn't. Did our neighbour question the acension of other kingdoms and states (whether it was with british directly or ruled by indian king under british rule) like tamil nadu, maharashtra, or bihar. no, he did not, because his interest is not to free kashmir, it is to bleed india. It is a religious association, our neighbour wants only Kashmir in his side (now) for religious reasons. India should entirely disagree on religious grounds, because india is a Sovereign Secular Democratic Republic. this is a foreign word for our neighbor. Inspite of our short-comings which is temporary. We have place for everybody. So instead of answering their accusations and justifyng some documents we should constructively work on develoing entire india including J&K in all aspects. so Instead of 'Peace with Pak', I think it should be 'PEACE WITH INDIA'.

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RAMKUMAR SRIDHARAN
It is not abt. Half-truths and stuffs - Part 3
by RAMKUMAR SRIDHARAN on Aug 20, 2003 10:59 PM

that they would ratify the IoA. If they had said that, than we dont have to worry anything at all. But I think, we didn't promise anything like that. so, that's why this Qazi is picking holes. See the whole problem is not the IoA or legal validity's, it is how we addressed it. In our quest to be the 'good guy' we failed to take realistic decisions. In that process we lost 1/3 of Kashmir, gained a bad name (at that time) due to good PR from our neighbour, thirdly, we are dealing with it till now with no solution till now. Did British did a plebiscite to get indian's opinion before taking our country. No, did US asked for people's opinion when then took California, Texas and at the time of Civil War, No. Because, they were not trying to be the 'good guys', they handled the situation realistically. Because, Whether I can have a country of my own is not part of Human Rights. Human rights and civil rights, deals only whether I can choose to become a citizen of a country of my choice, not otherwise. The right to self-determination is absurd. The Canadian law rightly pointed out. that is our cue, If they can participate in governance without discrimination, CONTINUED part-4.

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RAMKUMAR SRIDHARAN
It is not abt. Half-truths and stuffs - Part 2
by RAMKUMAR SRIDHARAN on Aug 20, 2003 10:50 PM

We should take a realistic approach, what is the issue at hand here, our neighbor wants us to bleed, that is the primary objective of them. What is the point in talking about a 'Maharaja's' Instrument of Ascension, it is true it is a legal document. We are living in a world where one part is democracy and other part is Dictatorship or Totalitarian. How much validatiy do you thing our neighbour is gonna attach to the IoA. We should have stuck to our gun, we should taken back our land and said IoA is final and non-negotiable, and that's it. Instead, we too the matter to UN and we agreed to do ask for a people's mandate. Once we changed our position, we lost ground. We lost stability, that was what they were waiting for. Obviously, Qazi is trying to find loop holes for his purpose, What ICJ told us or pakistan has no relevance, does ICJ has powers to enforce such an action. I dont think so. I don't think even india has acknowledged ICJ jurisdiction on indian affairs, may be I am wrong. What is the point looking up to them to solve our problems. And regarding the State Assembly's ratifying, did the politicians promised at elections rally's, that they will ratify the ascension

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Ramkumar Sridharan
It is not abt. Half-truths and stuffs - Part 1
by Ramkumar Sridharan on Aug 20, 2003 10:35 PM

It is about know your enemy, environment and surrounding. It is not abt. saying india has been humane and civilized for thousands of years, it is abt. being adaptive of ones surroundings and environment. The first mistake as for as J&K is concerned is accepting for a ceasefire and taking the matters to UN. Instead, we should have taken back our land and little more of theirs especially the one on the Punjab/sindh side, and then we should have agreed for a ceasefire. If that had happened, the attention would have diverted to that part of the land India is holding and kashmir would have gone to back burner. Then we could have set terms on our conditions for returning back the land. We didn't do that, instead we stopped fighting then and there and hoped the UN would magically solve our problem. The message was we are the 'good guys' and so everyone will be good to us. If you are the sheep and you are in the midst of wolves what is the point in being good, we should shed the sheep skin and become the bengal tiger. Instead of doing that, we still continue to be the 'good guy' who hopes that one fine day the wolves would stop eating the sheep. CONTINUEDIN PART-2.

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vishal mann
Move on Pakistan ,Its about time!
by vishal mann on Aug 20, 2003 10:10 PM

Pakistan has to understand one thing.Although Nehru & Gandhi agreed for a separate Pakistan,none of them and most of the Indians didnt believe in a two nation theory.Thats why Aamir & Shahrukh are our top stars and Azim Premji the richect man & Mr.Kalam our President.And Pakistan has to realize that it was based on a wrong priciple,a principle inimical to humanity and secularism.And again,although todays India excepts the entity of pakistan as a nation,it continues to reject the principle on which Pakistan was founded becuase that priciple will lead to further disintegration of India as it did before.Pakistan forgets that countless Indian villages have muslims living for centuries.Who will provide leadership to them? Why cannt a muslim majority state stay in india to safeguard the interest of rest of the muslims.How would Pakis expect India to always concede land to them on basis of Islam & expect no illwill between the rest of the muslims & Hindus of India? Mahatma Gandhi is long dead.Today VHP& Bajrang dal are also a part of Indian society.Pakistans evil eyes on India feeds them.A Stable and secular India is essential for Pak.They cannt live with instability on both east& west.

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