Re: How come Rehman allowed to play with Vande Mataram
by Singha on Jun 02, 2009 05:10 PM
ARR's vande matharam is obnoxious. listen to the original one composed by Hemant da in you tube.
Re: How come Rehman allowed to play with Vande Mataram
by upekshit hai on Jun 02, 2009 04:25 PM
vande mataram is not nation anthem..it's national song..and AR has taken permission from then Govt.
Use of same words and same tune is not fair in the name of seeling your movie. And people who have listened to this song does not understand what is so special in thin song to call for awakening etc. as Sarim is writing in article. "Meri jaan Hindustan" is far better.
Whether original song was written foran emperor or not, the fact today is it is our national anthem and one must respect it. Let us say the emperor is Bharat Maata (that is existence of Bharat itself in all respects) in this case.
When Lord Bentinck was visiting India Gurudev wrote this song as a welcome jesture. See the lyrics and try and understand every words in it anyone would understand - "Bharata Bhagya Vidhata" refers to the Lord and then again "Taba Subha Name Jage, Tabe Subha Ashis Mange, Gahe Taba Jayagatha" - Its utter oiling for the british masters. The original poem is literary masterpiece but not at all suitable for being a national anthem for a country like India. By the way who made it our national anthem? That guy should be banned first.
Re: National Anthem
by Aniruddha Chatterjee on Jun 02, 2009 04:05 PM
Please do not write what ever comes to your mind. Please go to wikipedia & search for Jana Gana Mana...
It was never said that it is written for Lord Bentink, the original controversy was it was written for George V.
Rabindranath himself wrote the following lines in this regard where he has clearly stated that he has not written the song for any "British".
I am appending below the excerpt from wiki.
"A certain high official in His Majesty's service, who was also my friend, had requested that I write a song of felicitation towards the Emperor. The request simply amazed me. It caused a great stir in my heart. In response to that great mental turmoil, I pronounced the victory in Jana Gana Mana of that Bhagya Vidhata [ed. God of Destiny] of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved. That Lord of Destiny, that Reader of the Collective Mind of India, that Perennial Guide, could never be George V, George VI, or any other George. Even my official friend understood this about the song. After all, even if his admiration for the crown was excessive, he was not lacking in simple common sense."
I was quite young when I heard Dilip Kumar's song of an old movie "SALA MAI TO SAAB BAN GAYA.." I wondered that how "SALA" (a common abuse)has been included in the song? Time passed and songs, stories of the bollywood started going in to dirty ditch.. I have not seen "Bandit Queen" but have heard that it starts with a filthy abuse and lot of dirty scenes (on pretext of original and demand of the scene). Kisses have become very common (Jab we met)and to name more...You can see JOHN ABRAHM lowering undergarments on a poster. You can (or Can you dare to see Delhi Times seminude Pix)see Nangey Log all over. Alas we are becoming habitual of watching all this Nudity (Some people say Come on Yaar.. this is common in the modern life). "BHOOTNI KEY" is soft abuse used in a song(Sing is King). Oscar award winner film "Slumdog..." has dirty abuses (Madar..C..orBahan..C..). For how long we have to bear these abuses. We claim that our great India has rich cultural values???? are these values related with PUB CULTURE/Smoking Ladies/Open Massage advt. BOLD FRIENDSHIP advt. published in the leading National Papers. One of the National English Daily claims that it is taking care of women, It is against women/child/girls abuse but it publishes Semi-nudes pictures of Indian and foreign actresses in it's city suppliment.Massage Parlor advt.(?)
If Ram Gopal Verma has distorted the national anthem... I think he is in the same line. O God! give us courage to bear all this.
Re:
by Madhu Nair on Jun 02, 2009 05:58 PM
I havent heard the Jana gana mana rann song...But ( referring to Arvind's post) when we can allow nudity and vulgar languages which supposedly hampers our cultural values, we can surely allow a song rhymed with our national anthem. Nowhere do we see that the song is trying to dishonour our traditions and our anthem. For all you know, it could be a publicity gimmick started by RGV himself..
Anyway, RGV has not set the world on fire with the song..its just a song which reminds people of our national anthem, which is a good thing anyway.. Tell me, how many of you recite the anthem everyday? Not even the Censor Board, i suppose!!
rgv is no stranger to controversies. in fact thats one of the ways he sells his movies. he will use any way that will suit his scheming mind. use precedence while judging him.
he visited the 26/11 scene with the chief minister of maharastra. in all probability, he had his next movie in mind. if he releases such a movie, stone him publicly, flog him, hand him over to taliban. he's truly despicable.
I read in one of the local news paper that Jana gana mana was written by author to greet British Officer/King when he visited India, does any body know this story? I recently read in the news paper article..
Re: story behind Jana gana mana
by devraj chakraborti on Jun 02, 2009 03:52 PM
When Lord Bentink was wisiting India Gurudev wrote this song as a welcome jesture. See the lyrics and try and understand every words in it anyone would understand - "Bharata Bhagya Vidhata" refers to the Lord and then again "Taba Subha Name Jage, Tabe Subha Ashis Mange, Gahe Taba Jayagatha" - Its utter oiling for the british masters. The original poem is literary masterpiece but not at all suitable for being a national anthem for a country like India. By the way who made it our national anthem? That guy should be banned first.
Re: Re: story behind Jana gana mana
by anirban bandyopadhyay on Jun 02, 2009 04:01 PM
Dear Devraj,
Little learning is a dangerous thing. Dont come here to prove that you are an idiot. The song was first sung in the Cng national conference at that time.
People asked him directly, whether this song was dedicated to the british, and Gurudev was hurt and protested. Indian D O G s are worse than roadside D O Gs they dont listen to the person who wrote it.
Many of the Tagore song would appear as if directed to a lover by another lover but if you ask researchers on Tagore they will confirm, they are dedicated to GOD.
Rediff is full of uneducated fools. Those who have little education please read about Bramha religion then you will find this is a bramha religious song and directed to GOD.
Tagore was himself involved with freedom fighting and did many works for "swadeshi" movement. You people are too cheap to understand him.
Read his thoughts, and philosophies, Except Vivekananda nobody can match his thought in the entire sub-continent in the last 500 years.
Re: Re: Re: story behind Jana gana mana
by Bhagwandas Maurya on Jun 02, 2009 04:27 PM
No use being sentimental about something about which you personally are not aware of. Philosophy of Rabindra Nath Thakur and that of Swami Vivekanand are on two different levels and there is no comparison. And, donot forget to read Swami Dayanand Saraswati and Dr. Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan. You must have heard of Kabir, Guru Nanak Dev, Rahim Khankhana, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Salim Chisti. Or, for that matter Goswami Tulsi Das. Were they any less than Swami Vivekanand?
Re: story behind Jana gana mana
by kartikey srivastava on Jun 02, 2009 03:40 PM
actually when tht british officer was visiting India Rabindranath Tagore ji wrote a long poem for his welcome. our national anthem is nothing bt one of the para (i think the 1st one) from tht long poem. i have read it a long time ago.. infact this 'poem' is one of the reason y many peoples do not accept/ admire the national anthem. search it,,u may find the full version.
Re: story behind Jana gana mana
by krishna parthasarathy on Jun 02, 2009 03:53 PM
It is true that this was written to welcome King George V, at Gate way of India. Even I have read it and national anthem's earlier controversy. But today this has been accepted as national anthem and we need to show due respect.
Re: story behind Jana gana mana
by venkat a on Jun 02, 2009 03:45 PM
I too read sometime back... Actually Vande Mataram is the one which was sang by everyone during indepedence...
Re: story behind Jana gana mana
by Aniruddha Chatterjee on Jun 02, 2009 03:48 PM
Rabindranath himself wrote in this regard...[ Excerpt from wikipedia]
"A certain high official in His Majesty's service, who was also my friend, had requested that I write a song of felicitation towards the Emperor. The request simply amazed me. It caused a great stir in my heart. In response to that great mental turmoil, I pronounced the victory in Jana Gana Mana of that Bhagya Vidhata [ed. God of Destiny] of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved. That Lord of Destiny, that Reader of the Collective Mind of India, that Perennial Guide, could never be George V, George VI, or any other George. Even my official friend understood this about the song. After all, even if his admiration for the crown was excessive, he was not lacking in simple common sense."
When A.R.Rehaman played with long hair and made a song of this no one complained.They said he brought back patriotism(from where? had we Indians sold it)!Any thing that sells and makes money for the producer is entertained.Next RGV will show the Taj Hotel and ,make a movie car no 1126 and say that it has nothing to with 26/11.After all his friend now is cabinet minister(some punishment this).Luckily our ex-HM is busy changing his attire.
Re: vande matharam
by Anoop KN on Jun 02, 2009 03:41 PM
AR just used the words "vande mataram", and nothing else from the original. Also the original doesn't come under the Prevention of Insult to National Honour Act.
y afzal guru who attacked parliament is stil alive .. do u think tampering national anthem is more thhan attack on parliament and mumbai ... shame on justice of india
Re: Re: np
by wizardo id on Jun 02, 2009 03:52 PM
its not democracy. its a pervert form of control created by indira gandhi - its a creature called license raj. control point at every instance - covertly, not overtly. we are not a true democracy. its some form of a effed up socialism gone sour overnight
Re: Top 5 bollywood movies of all time.............
by bacchu on Jun 02, 2009 03:21 PM
Sholay is inspired (Copied) from western movies. Its a copy, cannot be said to be original....
