of course makers of Ghajini - ppl r again going after tamil dvd's, good news for them - Memento makers.. ha ha.. indian mentality is making them rich.
wht a waste of ppl, not watching their own films but jst to contradict their stuff.. watching others.....wht a pity.. if foreign movies r tht good than our bollywood movies then consider this.. r these bolly.. bashers as efficient and thinkers/doers as foreigners?
there is nothing wrong in aamir saying he didn't udnerstand memento...no one knows the real answer ecept the director or the pshycitrists familiar with that kind of amnesia.
nolan has never revealed memento's plot.there are lots of confusion over the plot.no film critic as far i know claims he knws the full answer.
what have you understood that other's haven't?
i myself have my probable answers.not certain ones.
if you think teddy killed the wife, you are certainly wrong.hint: the hero is a mental patient
Re: excuse me ruchi
by Kunal Sahay on Dec 23, 2008 11:23 AM
Satya..first up..it would be better if you warn the people who might read the post that you are going to reveal the plot...
second, Memento is not as ambigous as you think it is. It has a very tight script and the answer is right there.
Re: Re: excuse me ruchi
by satya s on Dec 23, 2008 11:47 AM
i think i have the basic idea.i am not sure if all ends are tied up.some questions still remain.
Re: excuse me ruchi
by calisurf on Dec 24, 2008 04:55 AM
The critics can't dissect the movie the way the director does, he sees nd understnds from his approach only. So they obviously do nt have an answer since the critic has to spend time w.the movie alot more thn jst doin his job.
The reason i didn't understnd the movie or majority of friends did is b.c its jst boring nd not knowin the disease tht the character has is the biggst reason people dont undrstnd this movie.
You have to dissect the movie in a way tht a cop does, put ur self in tht position to understnd the how the victim gt killed nd who is the killer.
Honestly, people includin me don't have patience to dissect the movie nt jst understnd it.
Re: excuse me ruchi
by Ruchi on Dec 23, 2008 11:38 AM
The main protaginist has himself killed his wife by insulin overdose..... Teddy uses hero's amnesia to make him kill a drug dealer..... Teddy has made hero kill a police officer he had bad relations with, thinking tht this would help hero get closure, tht his wife's killer is now dead...
But this doesnt happen, because after killing Leonard doesnt remember tht he has "avenged"(as staged by teddy) his wife's murderer...
So every time he forgets he has killed, he needs a new scapegoat, whom he can murder to get his wife's revenge....
But in the end he gets to know tht killer is no one else but himself....
So he kills Teddy for using hi mental condition for his gain....
Re: Re: Re: excuse me ruchi
by Ruchi on Dec 23, 2008 12:00 PM
Leonard knows he wont remember tht Teddy has used him once he gets another bout of amnesia so he kills Teddy before he forgets....
The hero doesnt directly remember insulin overdose, but its etched in his memory like it had happnd to sum other couple....
Fr remaining answers u cn chk out Memento's official website....its a movie which has been made a study for psychology students...so I guess a little bit of the ending will always be opend fr ur own interpretation....
Re: Re: Re: Re: excuse me ruchi
by satya s on Dec 23, 2008 12:46 PM
leonard may just be angry that teddy told him some uncomfortable things like his wife's condition and his injection.
he marks teddy for death by marking his car plates as "john g" which would certainly return teddy's details.
there is no "other couple". leonard was sammy jankis all along.
no. my questions have never been answered.
"its a movie which has been made a study for psychology students"
that's the point. i know zilch about psyhcitatry or anterograde amnesia and i am far from sure about my intrepretations. many others are in the same boat.
what i have are probable answers.i can't be sure more information won't contradict my conclusions.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: excuse me ruchi
by Ruchi on Dec 23, 2008 01:58 PM
Thats true.....its been made study fr psycholology students to see how different ppl cum up wth different interpretations abt it....
Like thr's also the ever-disturbing question, tht is Leonard really that innocent after doing so many killings....meaning if he really does not remember past killings, why doesnt he take polaroid of his killings so that he cn remember th next time...
Sum ppl r of th view tht he's bcum so consumed wth vengeance and killings, tht he himself destroys evidence of his kills, so tht he cn kill anew the next time....
And tht's y th one time, he feels uncomfortable wth Teddy's talks, he marks him as non-trustworthy, so that, frm thn on whnever he Teddy tried to tell him the painful truth, he cn ignore it conveniently.....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sholey
by BatlarAamirKhan on Dec 23, 2008 01:41 PM
par JGN ki amma to roz pure muhalle ki mooh me leti hai..bechari JGN ki maa...sadka kha kha ke...mooh sukh gaya...susu peela doo?
Re: Re: Remake
by madhu pillai on Dec 23, 2008 11:08 AM
Ungal tamil Gajani is a copy of Hollywood flick "Memento"---eppadi irukkey adada!!! pavam ramadoss..chinna payyanzzz
Re: Re: Re: Re: Remake
by pen on Dec 23, 2008 11:23 AM
Mr.Pillai I want clear it this is Our Tamil Ghajni remake (Of course I agree Aamir is better actor when compare to Surya !!)
I have been reading since the long that Ghajini is a remake of tamil movie and also the words about movie "Memento" ....
Tell me all u bluffers - how many of u even heard about the movie "Memento" before ghajini cme into existance... I have seen Memento ofcourse after the hype its a good movie but not for Indian audience we Indians need masala... [just for the sake of being different please dont act stupid]...
I have seen Tamil version too its a good one... and I expect hindi version to be more advanced coz of techonolgy being upgraded all these years...
Guys go and watch the movie... u have seen so many stupid movies in ur life at the most it will be an addition...
Re: for all the intellects
by Kunal Sahay on Dec 23, 2008 10:50 AM
I have no problem with Ghajini being inspired from Memento. Its a brilliant film and would have spawned a remake sometime later if not now. I just believe Aamir Khan should have had the decency to atleast give credit to Memento.
Re: Re: Re: Re: for all the intellects
by Kunal Sahay on Dec 23, 2008 10:54 AM
whatever Man! OK so Allu Arvind or Murgadoss should have done it.
Read Aamir's blog by the way. He conveniently states that Ghajini has nothing to do with Memento, and that he thought Memento was too hard to understand. So much for the intellectual image that Aamir khan tryies so hard to portray.
Re: Re: Re: Re: for all the intellects
by Kunal Sahay on Dec 23, 2008 10:55 AM
No I wasn't aware when the Tamil version was made. Doesn't make that right though.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: for all the intellects
by Kunal Sahay on Dec 23, 2008 11:45 AM
I saw Memento sometime in early 2005. I wasnt aware about any Tamil version that was being made.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: for all the intellects
by JGN on Dec 23, 2008 11:36 AM
One last question : did u even hear about the movie "Memento" before ghajini cme into existance ?
And i never said I didnt like memento it was a great movie.. but ghajini will be greater (as far as Indian Audience are concerned)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: for all the intellects
by Ruchi on Dec 23, 2008 02:41 PM
I have seen english movie Memento around a year back...at tht time I wasnt aware if any Indian movies were being made on it.....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: for all the intellects
by Kunal Sahay on Dec 23, 2008 11:13 AM
JGN,
Have I seen Memento?? Yes, many times. As i said earlier in one of my posts, its not the easiest of plots to grasp adter just one viewing.
I would recommend you watch Memento again, with subtitles. Then refer to the movie's website, (i strongly recommend not to open the site before watching the movie) and then go on to imdb.com, type in ghajini and read the FAQs and other plot revelations there. Trust me, it is worth it.
The greatest thing about the movie is that it is almost flawless, with no loopholes at all.
I really do not know what exactly this raja sen's problem is it is a known fact that it is a remake of a tamil movies which inspired by a hollywood movie.People who are interested in it wil watch others stay away.Any way it does not matter even if it is a remake if it is well made.above all this fellow is reviweing without seeing the movie.get lost u fool.
Re: stupid review
by Ruchi on Dec 23, 2008 10:42 AM
Well, here is the long list of similarities between Memento and Ghajini:
1. Both movies deal essentially with the story of a young man suffering from an unusual disability - the inability to form new memories for longer than a few minutes (As Leonard Shelby explains in Memento to the motel clerk: If we talk for too long, I’ll forget how we started).
2. Both movies focus on a young male protagonist who is extremely focused on extracting revenge for the murder of his loved one (wife in the case of Memento and girlfriend in Ghajini).
3. Both movies have a male protagonist whose short-term memory problems are caused by a violent blow to the head as he rushes to save his wife/girlfriend from a brutal attack.
4. Both movies highlight the use of tattoos by the protagonist on his body as a technique to remember important facts because it’s a permanent way of keeping a note (as Leonard says in Memento).
While the above four points indisputably demonstrate the major similarities between the two movies, there are similarities galore between Memento and Ghajini.
By the way, similarities in plain English means copying by Murugadoss because Memento (2000) came much earlier to Ghajini (2005).
Keep in mind that these are not coincidences but carefully planned and executed theft by the thieving swine Murugadoss. All for a few silver coins.
Here is more evidence of theft by the makers of Ghajini:
5. Both movies have the protagonist using a polaroid camera t
Re: Re: stupid review
by satya s on Dec 23, 2008 11:14 AM
but the script,plot are different. hence it certainly qualifies as a inspired version.memento is about the mental patient the hero conditioning himself to manipulate his memory.the desi versions don't delve into any of that amnesia. they are straightforward story of revenge.
a few of your points are hilarious.
"Both movies feature a woman who helps the male protagonist in ultimately killing the murderer (Natalie in Memento and Chitra in Ghajini).
10. Both movies feature a bloody murder by the male protagonist in the first 15 minutes or so"
these are intended to exagerrate the copy argument.
Re: Re: Re: stupid review
by Ruchi on Dec 23, 2008 11:45 AM
Well Aamir is also trying to improve his image by saying that Ghajini's isnt related to Memento.... He's is exaggerating whn he makes comments which seem to give viewers impression tht he doesn't know abt Memento...or he doesnt understand Memento....
Memento isnt such an complicated movie....so either he's not the intellectual he portays himself to be, or he's just trying to con the viewers, so tht they dont get to know that so many scenes have been as it is lifted frm Memento.....
Also, Ghajini is 3 hours long....and Memento was hardly 2 hours long.....so they'd hve to put 1 hour of song dance and other drivel action sequences....tht doesnt make Ghajini an original
Re: Re: Re: Re: stupid review
by satya s on Dec 23, 2008 12:55 PM
i consider how much effort the director did for his new script. despite the lifting of tattoos and polaroid, he had to work on a new script and plot with new characters.
that's why i a saying its not a copy though certain key items were lifted directly.
aamir is intelligent no intellectual...there is a difference.
and even if you are talking about being a intellectual,familiarity and experience in the field matters. thinking with expertise and experience is the key. that's why i am sceptical about companies using puzzles.that's thinking without expertise and experience in a field.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: stupid review
by Ruchi on Dec 23, 2008 04:48 PM
Well everyone is entitltled to their opinion....I on my part am planing to watch "Memento" again, rather than Ghajini....
Re: Re: stupid review
by Kunal Sahay on Dec 23, 2008 10:45 AM
Murgadoss would have earned some respect if he would have cared to credit Memento. But I guess we can always have more sanjay Guptas (remember Zinda) in the industry
