give an Oscar to da cheap imitation Boooollywood and Chaaarrrukkh kann films. Da Boooollywood has been trying for 50 years to win an Oscar but without success.
RE:bwa...ha..ha....as if da Academy will ever
by antelop on Sep 29, 2007 11:42 PM
America dont like da imitations & da mediocrity. america INVENTED movies - da films, cameras, sound track, editing, lighting, special effects etc.....da whole lot.
Boooollywood will never succeed in America. Da last Booooolywood film of Chaaaarukkh Kann and 17 women waltzing around grass bombed out with only $300,000 at da box-office which is less than the collection of da pop-corn vendors.
Watch Transformers, the latest Hollywood blockbuster.....$670 million raked in at da box-office and climbing !
RE:bwa...ha..ha....as if da Academy will ever
by Mr H on Sep 30, 2007 01:36 AM
Transformers is now at $695,588,051 - updated 27th sept. and the indian movies cant even make $500,000
RE:bwa...ha..ha....as if da Academy will ever
by antelop on Sep 30, 2007 12:02 AM
only one guy from South Asia (not from Booollywood or the Southern film industry) called Satyajjeet Raay was ever awarded by the Academy for lifetime acheivemnts.
RE:bwa...ha..ha....as if da Academy will ever
by on Sep 30, 2007 04:01 AM
Surely Bollywood movies don't make as much money as Hollywood movies. And Japanese and French movies make even lesser money. Dude that is no criteria for quality or popularity. I like hollywood films too but don't kick yourself too much, Transformers is just another mediocre, over hyped film.
RE:bwa...ha..ha....as if da Academy will ever
by KS on Sep 30, 2007 02:30 AM
Transformer was a poorly made movie, if you had read the comics or watched the cartoons or played every with transformers... It just succeeded due to huge publicity...Also, compare the budgets of the movies before you compare the collections, stupid guy... Chak De India made 100% return... it earned two times the amount invested on it... And, for you information, Shah Rukh Khan is the most popular star not only in India, but also in the whole world... 3.5 billion people know him and his movies are popular even as far as Lima, Peru... where there is almost no NRIs... so, dude, compare apples with apples... not oranges...
Funny. All the countries in the world fight for just one category of Oscar available for films outside Hollywood. When not even a British film is considered for competition, why do we make such hue and cry. Ignorance. Wake up. Our National Award is the best for us. Let us fight for unbiased awards in our country. A monkey charmer gets more crowd than for the speech of a saint. But who is better?
RE:Oscar is for Hollywood, So why do You Cry?
by S S on Sep 29, 2007 11:52 PM
Who said all the countries fight for just one category. Roberto Benigni's film life is beautiful go nominated for 7 oscars and won 3 including best actor.Jean-Pierre Jeunet's Amelie got nominated for 5 oscars not One. Full Monty for nominated for 4 including best picture and it was not a hollywood production.Helen Mirren won an oscar last year for a very british film. Gandhi was a british production,and it won 8 osacrs got nominated for 11. The list is endless.The rules are not as simple as you think, not just being a foreign film puts you into the foreign film category.and not just being a hollywood production makes you get all the awards. I wish it was that simple.
RE:Oscar is for Hollywood, So why do You Cry?
by on Sep 30, 2007 04:08 AM
Oscars are not the last word in film making. In fact while satyajit ray made great films, i find them hard to tolerate. he sold a lot of indian poverty. lagaan on the other hand was a far better entertainer. if titanic got 7 oscars, lagaan deserves 70.
RE:Oscar is for Hollywood, So why do You Cry?
by tanmoy on Sep 30, 2007 01:35 PM
Yeah ON u r right.We r proud of Lagaan.So what that it didnot win a oscar.I couldnot think any movies made in India is better than Lagaan.
RE:Oscar is for Hollywood, So why do You Cry?
by S S on Sep 30, 2007 12:02 AM
you got it right friend, its quality that matters and going to oscars is not about validating our actions, it only shows we are scared of good competition. Was Satyajit Ray a looser for winning an oscar. New York still holds a film festival and showcases his movies. And who sponsors it, none of us but a very weastern guy with the name of Martin Scorsese. Like every good thing, good movies are not bound to a particular place and people. Being brash is not be confident but being ignorant.
RE:Oscar is for Hollywood, So why do You Cry?
by lax on Sep 29, 2007 11:44 PM
u r absolutely correct. why do we need westerners to validate our actions? why are we so deficient in self-confidence that we look up at others (read western countries) to approve or disapprove our beliefs/practices/actions? We need to be more confident (maybe brash), then only the world will respect us. We get treated the way we project ourselves.
RE:Oscar is for Hollywood, So why do You Cry?
by tanmoy on Sep 30, 2007 12:12 AM
U r right by saying "why do we need Westeners to validate our actions"? But tell me do we make gr8 movies like Hollywood? I also agree that some of the hollywood movies r cheap movies like hindi masala movie,but most r gr8.Dont u want a natural movie made by BOllywood.Not that hindi masala movie. And lastly if we make gr8 movies we surely won oscar.If we dont win that we also dont mind.Bcoz then we r making gr8 movies.But unfortunately we dont make such movies and we r also responsible 4 that.Bcoz here we r maing a actor the most popular of Bollywood who most of the time overacted. In oscar quality is most important.But unfortunately we dont make such movies except 1 or 2 in several years.
Its stupid to raise such a hue and cry over this issue. Where were these INTELLECTUAL INDIVIDUALS when Paheli was sent to Oscars. Everyone knows what goes behind all this. Let the High Court concentrate on the lakhs of pending cases instead of getting into this.
RE:Was Paheli good enough ?
by S S on Sep 29, 2007 11:40 PM
you might give the same argument when they pick up some other case. Its better to get into this kind of matter too. What might not be useful to you, might be useful for hundreds of other people and its good that someone has taken this issue to court. By putting these stupid movies against other movies from around the world, we give a wrong picture about out nation, our people and our movie industry( which by the way prides itself in being the largest producer of movies in the world)...and still they cant bring one good movie that can win praise from all around the world. I think its a good step forward, let the selection process be more open and unbiased. Remember each movie they send for oscar carries the name of our nation along with it. The world takes notice of whatever we send....be it good or bad. Nothing against you but the lakhs of cases you are talking about have nothing to do with this.Just because their are so many cases already in court,would that stop you from going to court for an issue that concerns you?
RE:Was Paheli good enough ?
by Confused Citizen on Sep 29, 2007 11:33 PM
If someone didn't raised voice in past, doesn't mean that they should not raise in future also.. and by the way it is the director of Dharm, who is raising voice. Dharm is million times better than Eklavya, the only thing Eklavya had was mega starcast, which Dharm lacked..
In oscar nomination, only movies being discussed are bollywood movies. There are lot of classic movies produced in south india. Why not them? Paruthiveeran in tamil was one such movie. It won accolades in lot of foreign film festivals. I am sure there are others in other languages as well.
RE:What happened to other language movies?
by Ganesh Ramesh on Sep 29, 2007 11:28 PM
Buddy.. whether its Hindi or Sindhi, Tamil or Telugu, Malayalam or Manipuri.. whichever movie is sent to Oscars.. the A.M.P.A.S. (Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences which decides the Oscars) has to see the Indian or any Foreign language movie for that matter, with English subtitles only... because Americans understand English only. So it doesnt matter. We can send any movie that is good in India to Oscars..No rule .. that it should be in National Language HINDI only. If Hindi movie is good we can send Hindi movie.. If Tamil movie is good we can send that or if a movie made in Ladakh or Sikkim is excelling much more in cinematic value than this we can send that.
I agree that Paruthiveeran was a fantastic movie. I have seen the same movie and I think its Oscar material. I also liked this movie called Chak De. What a nice movie about India's National Sport Hockey ?
Also India ia a land of some great directors who make so many ART MOVIES on a wide array of subjects.. Dunno why we are not considering to send some of these Art movies with great cinematorgraphy and amazing screenplay to Oscars as Indian Entry ? Guess we should try once or twice.. as none of our Mainstream commercial cinema is making a name at Oscars (except of Lagaan... which atleast got nominated to the Last 5).
RE:What happened to other language movies?
by sabari prasadh on Sep 29, 2007 11:17 PM
does it mean Andhra,tamilnadu,karnataka,assam,bengal,kerla other non hindi speaking states not represnt India.
RE:What happened to other language movies?
by true tamilan on Sep 29, 2007 11:29 PM
I am not saying send tamil movie or hindi movie. Send the best movie out of all the languages. I accept that hindi is the national language of India. But oscar nomination has nothing do with national language.
RE:What happened to other language movies?
by no man on Sep 29, 2007 11:23 PM
hey dude, first off there is no national language in india.we only have official languages. if you think hindi movies are the true representation of india, then i don't know what to tell you. satyajit ray got a honorary oscar for lifetime achievement and i don't think he made hindi movies.
RE:What happened to other language movies?
by subhash sirur on Sep 30, 2007 02:04 AM
In Art there is no barrier of language.Nor in love,nor in humanism.The day you learn every language that you do not know,you will get closer to the people who speak the language.Get over the regional phobia.The world is flat now.There is a common language for the world and it is called love and understanding.And believe me you ,though I am not a Tamiolian,I can vouch for the high quality content of Tamil films.I only wish we had more Bimal Roys,Gulzars'Hrishikesh mukerjis,Sanjay Leela Bansalis in the Hindi film scene.Escapist fare makers and that too good number of them ,we have had like Raj Kapoor,Vijay Anand,B R Chopra atyadi.Malayalam films is another scenefrom where Hindi makers could take a leaf out of.Their making is stupendous.Hindi films is much ado about nothing.
RE:We all know Hindi Movies are third rate movies
by Ganesh Ramesh on Sep 29, 2007 11:36 PM
Anybody wants to make movie about Twenty20 cricket now :) Like MI-2.. we can call it T20-India :)
RE:We all know Hindi Movies are third rate movies
by Sanket Khandagale on Sep 29, 2007 10:55 PM
dude i am sitting here in chennai i know what tamil movies are... :)) so pls keep your logic to yourself... lets face it... all movies made in india are crap.. be it south indian or bollywood movies....
RE:We all know Hindi Movies are third rate movies
by true tamilan on Sep 29, 2007 11:01 PM
Not all south indian movies have heroes like heroine's father, similarly not bollywood movies are skin shows with babes and gays coming shirtless.
RE:We all know Hindi Movies are third rate movies
by akshat katyayan on Sep 30, 2007 12:53 AM
pleeeeease...south indian movies are pretty trashy too..some are very good but definitely the production value is much poorer compared to bollywood movies (its not that all bollywood movies are good, infact most are bad) but they are better than southie movies..also most bollywood rejects become superstars in south
RE:We all know Hindi Movies are third rate movies
by V.Thasa on Sep 29, 2007 11:13 PM
Movies by nagesh kuknoor,vishal bharadwaj r very good...i'm expecting some good movies from anurag kashyap also.Its not that hindi movies r third rate,the audience choice is 3rd rate and hence they have 2 make movies like that.maximum of our indian audience likes songs in our movies,illogical melodrama,unwanted lusty scenes and dishum-dishum,so even if there r talented directors/writers in our country they have to succumb to the taste of our audience,otherwise how will they earn their livehood.Dont blame INDIAN MOVIE MAKING ART,if u want to blame,blame our desi audience who applauds at actors like salman and awards directors like karan johar.There r 'n' number of overrated and underrated actors & directors in our country,their ratio is high bcos of the taste of our audience.If u make a very sensible movie here it'll not work on the box office,distributors dont want to buy its copies,wheres the motivation for the talented actors & directors of of our country?.V have so much of talent in our country that v can win a oscar every year if v decide to,but v r 'MAJBOOR' bcos of a tasteless audience.i dont say all the audience is like that,but 80% is,and until & unless that changes,nothing would change.To sum it up-the tragedy of our INDIAN cinema for not getting recognised worldwide is the principle followed by every director.i.e - "MAKE A MOVE FOR A MERCEDESwala U WILL END UP IN A RICKSHAW BUT MAKE A MOVIE FOR A RICKSHAWwala U WILL END UP IN A MERCEDES"
RE:We all know Hindi Movies are third rate movies
by Aalok on Sep 29, 2007 10:53 PM
LOL - Joke of the century... South Indian movies where the heroes look heroines' father.. NEways thats not the point... Tell us when do you want all hindiwala to come to your south? After all u asked us to go to HELL he he he! chill buddy - bolly is still bigger than your jumping tollywood apes
RE:We all know Hindi Movies are third rate movies
by harsha chatra on Sep 29, 2007 11:11 PM
There is a thing called creativity, which is only evident in most of South Indian movies, and Bollywood has creativity in only remaking or rather would say copying from Hollywood.
So what is new about the court's finding. It has been always so. It is mostly the third-class Hindi cinema that is sent as Oscar entry to bring not Oscars, but bad name to Indian industry. Now Bollywood wants to be called "Indian Film Industry" WHAT A JOKE!!!!
Good cinema has always been made in South Indian industry and Bengali industry, but these parochial judges will never admit that and sent these dumb movies to Oscars every time. Even the last national awards were a reflection of this parochial and chauvinistic attitude. This is not going do good for the betterment of the REAL INDIAN FILM INDUSTRY.
RE:SO WHAT'S NEW
by antelop on Sep 29, 2007 10:42 PM
dey only good movies considered seriously by da Academy from south asia are de ones by one Satyyajeet Raay, who won a honorary lifetime award long ago from da Academy.
all dey rest, da booolywood, the southern film industry, the chaaarukk kann are a bunch of imitation muthafuggas.
Why should the court waste its time over Oscar nomination. I really dont understand india's fetish with American recognition. Its finally an american award, it will never be a true analysis of an Indian movie. To me a movie like Munnabhai which everyone in India liked is a great movie even if the Oscars panel completely ignores it. Because they do not understand Indian mentality and what Indians like. It almost started a movement with its Gandhigiri.
RE:Why the fuss
by Tony Thomas on Sep 29, 2007 11:20 PM
Bravo. I dislike this whole desire to appease the American critics and get nominations for the Oscars. Most Americans could care less about the Oscars, so why should India? Is Steven Spielberg a good judge and evaluator of Indian movies? I don't think so. Why this obsession with sending Indian movies to the Oscars? Oscars is a bunch of baloney to begin with for most of us. The ratings for Oscars have plunged for the past few years. So with a growing economy and a status amongst the elite countries in the world, I say start an Indian awards show and give it international attention just like China does and build the respect factor. Then Indian moview will start to get respect just like Jet Li movies and Crouching Tiger etc.
RE:Why the fuss
by Sameer Bhagwat on Sep 29, 2007 10:36 PM
Fist of all Oscars has International award category , sceondly its give for excellence in cinema not popularity. So Munnabhai and those kinds of movies don't work.
Thousands of cases are in dust that bmw case is still going successfully but HC is more interested in cases related to movie selection and jury.if anyone raises then it may contempt of court
RE:wah! wat an eagerness from high court to decide this case.
by Baljeet on Sep 29, 2007 10:44 PM
This question should be put up to the person that why he intends to waste the precious time of Court. because... he has filed the petition...so after all it has to be heard, and also it has to be heard on time (as else it would not be able to take nay action further if the process is started futher in Oscars.) Judiciary itself opines that why such nature of cases are brought to it. But when it has come, the Court has to do its job.
The saddest thing about the selection process is that only a few over-hyped bollywood films are in the contention.....do the film feeration people see or know of the brilliant films that are made in other parts of the country? do they ever see the breathtaking fresh-thinking films that really get the best foreign film oscar? the answer is blowing in the wind....
