and it's very likely the author is part of that middle class...let's take away the authors wealth as well.
Land reforms as above may have been needed 40-50 years back, but whatever land transfer needs to have taken place should have taken now..i don;t see the point of making everyone insecure and unsettled about land ownership even 40-50 years hence.
Instead start taxing the rich farmers..any income above 6L from agriculture should be taxable ...
Also coorperative land farming should be encouraged where small farmers are able to pool land, resources, labour etc to allow much more efficient and productive use of small holdings..
Re: Only 5% of indias middle classes owns maybe 50% of all wealth
by siddhartha xx on May 29, 2016 11:10 PM
sorry i meant upper middle class and the rich**.....instead of middle class..i am sure the author very likely falls in that 5%
ps* i dont have a single bit of land in my name..so its an obective opinion.
assiduously cultivates the impression that the various manifestations of its aggressive violent face is directed at and intended only for the muxlim and other religious minorities in the country.
This is nothing but a poorly disguised attempt at deflecting public attention from the chief motive of the Parivar for keeping that aggressive face primed and ready - which is to protect and retain the horrendously hierarchical and patriarchal nature of Indian society and thus to retain control of land and other resources in the hands of the minority privileged classes of the country.
One example of such privileged hold over disproportionately large resources is the ownership of the lions share of the cultivable land in most parts of North India by the Bhumihars, Thakurs, etc.
As per a Planning commission (renamed as Niti Aayog) survey done in 2012, more than 65 % of all land in private hands in the country is owned by a mere 8 % of the population ! In other words, the idea of land reforms - enshrined as a central tenet for Indian governments to pursue - has neither been implemented nor will be allowed to be implemented or even raised in as many regions of the country as possible.
It is to safeguard the Bhumihars and the Thakurs and others hold over a hugely disproportionate share of the land and other resources that the Sangh Parivar is primarily focused on. It is to prevent even the slightest of assertive moves from the huge underclasses (the landless peasants, the marginal
Re: The Sangh Parivar
by piri on May 29, 2016 08:29 AM
and subsistence level farmers, the destitutes, etc.) that the Sangh Parivar keeps churning out offshoots such as the better disguised Bajrang Dal and Hanuman Sena and the less disguised Ranvir Sena !
Religion is an emotive topic to many, so very emotive that determined manipulators can exploit such emotions fairly easily. And when the majority of those to whom religious feelings are very emotive are ignorant and gullible as well, the task of such manipulators becomes far easier.
The Sangh Parivar keeps up pretentious talk about protecting the rights and feelings of the Hyndu majority. It is determined to sell the fib that all that is ill with Indian society springs from the existence of religious minorities in the country.
If this presumptive argument of the Parivar is conceded for arguments sake, then the natural corollary should be that the Parivar would be happy and readily willing to ensure the well being of all in the majority community - the hyndus.
For instance, if the muxlims and other religious minorities (who make up roughly 20 % of the Indian population) are taken completely out of mainstream life in India and mothballed into a second class citizen status, denied all or most rights that are due to a normal citizen, then the Sangh Parivar should be presumed to be happy in proceeding to make every hyndu in the country happy, contended and afforded full justice as a citizen.
The Sangh Parivar can then be legitimately expected to ensure that all the hyndus
Re: Re: The Sangh Parivar
by piri on May 29, 2016 08:30 AM
in the country (those who make up 80 % of the Indian population) are dealt equitable justice in the sharing of resources !
The Sangh Parivar would be happy to share all the resources in the country and all the benefits that spring from such resources equally or equitably among every citizen who makes up this 80 % of the Indian population !
The Sangh Parivar should be happy then to fight and ruthlessly put down the Thakurs, the Bhumihars and other land owning classes who have suppressed and kept in grinding poverty those huge masses for several centuries !
The Sangh Parivar should be very happy to reform the statute books and make entitlements for the hitherto depressed segments among the hyndu population far more equitable than they have ever been !
The Sangh Parivar should be very happy to make basic education, public healthcare, drinking water supply, sanitation facilities, equitable share in public food distribution, etc. inalienable rights of every hyndu in the country.
The Sangh Parivar should be very happy to help in bringing to exemplary justice all those who stand in the way of such equitable dispensation of justice and entitlements to the hitherto depressed hyndus.
The Sangh Parivar should see no classifications or boundaries between the hitherto different classes of hyndus.
But......but.......what was the Ranvir Sena formed for if not to fight for retaining the hold of the rapacious land owning classes over the vast majority of the areable land ?
Re: The Sangh Parivar
by yahoo on May 29, 2016 10:47 AM
How is the sangh parivar to blame? For the last 60 years the government is of congress and left at centres and the states. Why couldn't they do anything? Or did they cleverly take over all the land, like the greatest son in law of the country?
In this case if you want to blame somebody, blame the congress and the left parties. They have ruled this country for generations, like a kingdom.
assiduously cultivates the impression that the various manifestations of its aggressive / violent face is directed at and intended only for the muxlim and other religious minorities in the country.
This is nothing but a poorly disguised attempt at deflecting public attention from the chief motive of the Parivar for keeping that aggressive face primed and ready - which is to protect and retain the horrendously hierarchical and patriarchal nature of Indian society and thus to retain control of land and other resources in the hands of the minority privileged classes of the country.
One example of such privileged hold over disproportionately large resources is the ownership of the lions share of the cultivable land in most parts of North India by the Bhumihars, Thakurs, etc.
As per a Planning commission (renamed as Niti Aayog) survey done in 2012, more than 65 % of all land in private hands in the country is owned by a mere 8 % of the population ! In other words, the idea of land reforms - enshrined as a central tenet for Indian governments to pursue - has neither been implemented nor will be allowed to be implemented or even raised in as many regions of the country as possible.
It is to safeguard the Bhumihars and the Thakurs and others hold over a hugely disproportionate share of the land and other resources that the Sangh Parivar is primarily focused on. It is to prevent even the slightest of assertive moves from the huge underclasses (the landless peasants, the marginal
Re: The Sangh Parivar
by yahoo on May 29, 2016 02:06 PM
How is the sangh parivar to blame? For the last 60 years the government is of congress and left at centres and the states. Why couldn't they do anything? Or did they cleverly take over all the land, like the greatest son in law of the country?
In this case if you want to blame somebody, blame the congress and the left parties. They have ruled this country for generations, like a kingdom.
assiduously cultivates the impression that the various manifestations of its aggressive / violent face is directed at and intended only for the muxlim and other religious minorities in the country.
This is nothing but a poorly disguised attempt at deflecting public attention from the chief motive of the Parivar for keeping that aggressive face primed and ready - which is to protect and retain the horrendously hierarchical and patriarchal nature of Indian society and thus to retain control of land and other resources in the hands of the minority privileged classes of the country.
One example of such privileged hold over disproportionately large resources is the ownership of the lions share of the cultivable land in most parts of North India by the Bhumihars, Thakurs, etc.
As per a Planning commission (renamed as Niti Aayog) survey done in 2012, more than 65 % of all land in private hands in the country is owned by a mere 8 % of the population ! In other words, the idea of land reforms - enshrined as a central tenet for Indian governments to pursue - has neither been implemented nor will be allowed to be implemented or even raised in as many regions of the country as possible.
It is to safeguard the Bhumihars and the Thakurs and others hold over a hugely disproportionate share of the land and other resources that the Sangh Parivar is primarily focused on. It is to prevent even the slightest of assertive moves from the huge underclasses (the landless peasants, the marginal
Re: The Sangh Parivar
by yahoo on May 29, 2016 02:07 PM
How is the sangh parivar to blame? For the last 60 years the government is of congress and left at centres and the states. Why couldn't they do anything? Or did they cleverly take over all the land, like the greatest son in law of the country?
In this case if you want to blame somebody, blame the congress and the left parties. They have ruled this country for generations, like a kingdom.
For india ,which has 17.7%more irrigable land than china,to become a true agricultural power,changing the lives of farmers,stop migration of farming community to dreadful cities,we can consider the following: #1.Make cooperatives of 250,500&1000 acres with out changing the land holding patterns. #2.Use science, technology,machineries,using local farmers to increase the production to2.5 times,generating gainful employment to millions of villagers, open service centers with locals trained,in e commerce,use local AGRI GRADUATES ETC. #3.tAKE iSRAELI HELP TO FARM EVERY INCH OF OUR LAND. #4.NO FACTORIES IN CULTIVATABLE LANDS. #5VALUE ADDITION AT VILLAGES TO EXPORT. #6IMPROVEWATER STORAGE FACILITIES. #7.MAKE STORAGE FACILITIES FOR FARM PRODUCE
the land owned by brahmins taken over by the farmers not the labours who works in the field, so it is changed hands by the dravidian parties, nothing else, agricultural labour still labour, all the benefits goes to farmers, this is very bad, RY2P3
Land reform act was not at all good as far as cultivation concerned. Before the act two families were being fed. The owner of the land and the cultivator or farmer. After the land reform act, the cultivator became the owner of the land. This was a rule a dacoit act. The Govt. forcibly transferred the land. Once the farmer became the owner of the land instead of cultivating the land sold the land in parts. The cultivating lands became barren lands by constructing buildings as homes or commercial buildings. Instead of urbanizing the vast barren lands, the Govts. started to urbanise the villages with agricultural lands. Let the respective Govt. of all the States verify the total area of agriculture land in the year 1980 and the present total area of agriculture land. Secondly, the genuine cultivator is/was facing shortage of man power. Beedi Industry at home, made men/women/children made them not to work in the field. To be frank, Land Reform Act was a vote catching gimmick and was not in the interest of the nation or cultivation
Re: Land reform act
by NG Nileshwar on May 28, 2016 04:51 PM
I endorse your view in toto. In fact, if you consider land donated to temples was lost by them. At least the Govt held the same through Charity Commissioners, who could get yield through farming. With the land to the tiller policy, land became marketable and saleable. The small farmer vanished from the scene by selling it to the bigger farmer. The bigger farmer went on amassing it and became very powerful. Today the pity is that agricultural farmer cannot even be taxed. Short sighted policy of land to the tiller has killed farming.
Re: Reduce Gov Employees Salaries, Ban OBC Reservations & Save Na
by KARAN on May 29, 2016 07:11 PM
While this is true that these overfed govt employees hardly work and over staffed,only consolation is most of their salaries isbwhite,but their mamool whiche twice as much their monthly salary is causing a greater anomoly in the plan.All parties should get together ,lower the employees nber,reduce the reservation to the entry level,further growth on a transparent evaluation and written test,and no permanent jobs,only contract labour.This will improve the economy and reduce the divide between the ruler and ruled.
according to this new distributio: no farmer would hold more than 5 acres of land and the land should be redistributed to small farmers, current labourers which have no land - 1 acre a piece.
this is going bring a massive increase in employment rates, has potential to create 5 crore jobs.. the smaller farmer will be able to see the land utilization better and have more yields.
the farmers should move ahead with times and grow yields like brocolli, avocados, chia, berries, which are all very rich in nutrients and also can be exported and receive good returns. this is going to increase prosperity... as self-empowered farmers will employ their family members to do better polishing of their farm yields. the need of these empowered farmers would create employments in following sector :a) housing, education, wearables, electronic gadgets, electric gadgets, wooden furnitures (one could promote/create a whole industry for growing teak/neem tree or particle boards and manufacturing furnitures - as the rural india gets empowered, wooden furnitures would become a next major market like construction and that industry should be promoted by growing trees that are fast growing and the manufacturing of those. this is one industry whose surplus, if we would ever have, can be exported to other countries).
so thinking ahead, dividing farm lands and redistribution and promoting an industry for wooden works for thats where next level of consumption would increase over india
Re: a second wave land reforms and redistribution needs undertaki
by yahoo on May 29, 2016 02:13 PM
very short sighted opinion.
You should grow what grows naturally in an area. Brocolli, avacados etc are not natural to india. The only reason they are costly is because they are not grown in big quantities. Once you grow in large quantities, their prices will fall drastically, since not many people eat them in india.
lot of small farmers means there will be no mechanized farming, and new techniques, so farm yield will be very low. that means farmers will continue to be poor.
continued: However If our P.M. " NAMO" Ji Govt . realise the importance of distributing barren/ spare Govt. lands to Landless It will be great gesture & tremendous Good will will be earned in return .I still remember in rural areas the old masses still sing the loyalty tone to Indira Ghandhi as during her . tenure land was distributed to landless of course those who can bribe the land official Vill. pradhan ,patwari Tehsildar etc got the better lands 7 other got where ever they can get. I hv . absolutely no doubt if our P.M "NAMO " Ji can provide water by wind Van in the jungles of Gujrat for jungle animals & birds & human alike , he will certainly go for land distribution to landless not by taking from th haves but the Govt. barren lands availble in forests with the Instruction to plant as many trees/ plants as possible so that ecology of the area is maintained. Jai Bharat
