Re: Best Company in its Class
by jitjxe@rediffmail.com on May 28, 2011 06:14 PM
You either didn't work anyother companies or you are in cog mgmnt team, huh??
Re: Re: Re: Best Company in its Class
by margabandhu on Jun 05, 2011 05:35 PM
u need not try to rate this company.. rather i wud tell, better experience the favoritism of this company than to comment bad about it.. I was not eligible on my first shot to enter this company but now I rank in higher position here with proven track record when i gain some experience with my previous company.... So be a part of it if u have knowledge and guts to face the situation!!
Re: Re: Worst Company ever
by sam on Jun 04, 2011 03:42 PM
yeah I agree,,stay away from all IT companies. May be you will be happy with a job at the local post office.
From my knowledge I would say it is purely a "Unhealthy and Inorganic Growth". How are these companies growing? One of the best examples I would like to quote here.
If an employee is travelling from India to US for deputation, CTS is paying $3000 as initial expenses (as a interest free loan and you need to repay in 6 months)!! With this money you have to manage initial hotel expenses (this itself will come around $2000), all transportation expenses, a rental house (if you are first time in US, no where in US you get a rented house without paying 2-3 months advance), and all other initial expenses (if you are with family, think about it). Since most of the places in US have worst public transport system, without a car families can't survive. Don't worry company is paying the interest free car loan, $5000!! In that $1000 for insurance, then for the remaining $4000 you get a 1995 or older model scrap (I would like to put a sticker: Hypothecated to CTS!!).
If you are on L1B and your spouse also can work on dependent VISA. If they get a job here, their offer will definitely $25K more than what your are earning in CTS!! Or if you are deputed from India and your salary would be $25K less compare to US empoyee.
It will take 1-2 years to clear off all your debts and save a single penny if you want to live with your family...
This is how a typical IT company making profit in bigger figures and growing. The idea is "The how good you de
Re: Unhealthy and Inorganic Growth
by Kiran on May 28, 2011 08:32 AM
These are time tested strategies of any IT co for survoval. It was the same situation in Tata also where i spent working during the mid 90s. Even if people leave the company there are hordes of fresh college graduares to join. This is how hte management and HR used to threaten. Somebody can write a novel and make a money on the lines of Slumdog millionaire.
Re: Unhealthy and Inorganic Growth
by Sameer Bhagwat on May 28, 2011 09:13 AM
This is rubbish and a complete lie. Looks like you have some axe to grind.
Why do you need any loan. YOu get a salary, buy whatever car you want and whatever insurance you want. I'm sure you never worked at CTS.
Re: Unhealthy and Inorganic Growth
by Arijit Bhattacharya on May 27, 2011 10:12 PM
You know too much too little. You are definitley not a CTS employee to come up with such crap half baked information about the company. I guess you were either never in US or heard from some info from friends and making there rest up.
Re: Re: Unhealthy and Inorganic Growth
by jitjxe@rediffmail.com on May 27, 2011 10:24 PM
Adding to that outsiders know problems of employees better than management!!
Re: Re: Unhealthy and Inorganic Growth
by jitjxe@rediffmail.com on May 27, 2011 10:22 PM
Good!! Since you assess my comments as you've responded, I believe you are from management team :).. Talk to employees once-in-a-while and understand their problems.
Having worked in the organization for more than 3 yrs I can truly vouch for the amazing culture that is Cognizant! Its a great place to work, and a super place to move ahead on your career aspirations!
Re: Re: Cognizant
by Vishal Das on May 28, 2011 08:25 PM
yes, in SriLanka to restart Project-LTTE,,basic qualification- read/write Tamil & 2-3 words in English,,,r u in?
Can any one tell me is there any computer program developed in India I mean like java,windows,ERP,embedded chip software and so on? is any chip designed in India? Most of Indian companies are profiteers,third rate organiations infested with greed.They are very good in copying and stealing.They are also tax thieves.Most of so called IT companies are progressing due to labor cost difference.They are like coolies.Including TCS and Infosys they have been renting out bodies not technologies and brains.They have been over pampered in India securing finest addresses, lush green land in acres, tax exemptions and so on.The salaries paid to these computer code writers and call centre agents are highly unjustified vis a vis other employees in economy.We are all US glamor struck.Dollars struck.See one guy here saying he is frustrated at $ 55000 the per capita income of India is just Rs 35000.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by Prashanth Talla on May 27, 2011 10:25 PM
Whatever innovations that US companies make, mind you that lot of migrated Indians brains are behind them. Father of Pentium Chip - Vinod Dham, Sun Microsystems Co-Founder - Vinod Khosla, Founder/Ex-CEO of Informatica - Gaurav Dhillon, Found/Creator of first email service, Hotmail - Sabeer Bhatia etc. Bill gates always mentions that his owes alot to Indians due to their brains put in his company's R&D, same is with discovery of 0, pi etc. I can go on with the list.
All the Indians that are migrated to US/Uk are not exceptional candidates to do so well there. The difference is the environment that the US/UK govt provided tot hem to do so well compared to Indian govt. Infact, Indian govt/its officials always create trouble in the way of Indian inventors or entrepreneurs. That's the difference. Without understanding the basic points, stop bashing Indians and their relatively greater IQ. If given a chance, they can compete with anyone in the world.
Not sure if yuo are an Indian; if u r, not sure where from you got these impressions.
Regarding 55k stmnt, yes, in US, even college out kids make that much in any IT job. That is what CTS pays to experienced IT folks that they bring from India, and don't underestimate all of these folks. Most of them, if given a chance, are pretty good.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by approximate boy on May 27, 2011 12:33 AM
Why many things aren't developed in India
1) Lack of venture capitalists
2) Fear of failure and reluctance to innovate due to risk - With product development lies greater reward as well as greater risk and our society is more risk averse thatn western counterparts
This is has nothing to do with the quality of engineers working in these companies or their skills et.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by Senthil Kumar on May 27, 2011 10:30 AM
IF it is So bad why dont You Start an innovation driven start up.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by original on May 28, 2011 04:14 AM
Mr Gupta, I really sense sour rapes,jealousy,envy among people like you. Either you couldn't make it OR something is wrong somewhere in your life. Even though that is none of my business, however i would like to ask people like you !!!! What is the alternative ?? Whenever an article pertaining to I.T. companies comes Cliche comments are
a)Brainless Coolie People b) Thief Companies c)I.T. folks don't deserve the salary. (Who the ph*c* r you people to decide !!! It's demand vs supply) d) Did we invented this or that R you guys for real ? We have hardly 60 years of independence(Read between lines corruption,babudom, cast ism,minority appeasement etc....) and we have still done ok among given circumstances.(All top technology companies have decent # of indians) e)Inflation etc.... IF I.T. wouldn't have been there we would be reporting to some bania/marwari factory(no company ) !! Going on bicycle with stainless steel dubba !!! Slaves of these people with no dignity,respect etc... and lick their as*e* and everything. I.T. field and company do have their drawbacks etc... but their are more positive than negatives !!! We all are having grievances but I believe most of us will thank god that we have something sensible at hand. Some people might call coolie job !!!) but it pays well and help us to give a decent materialistic life to our respective families. Happiness and other things are subjectives and can't be achieved in many ways !!! Different topic of discusssion.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by srinivasamurthy a on May 27, 2011 11:43 AM
We are certainly capable of making world class products.But misuse of our talented personnel is leading to such state of affairs.As an eg How can a trained civil engineer if utilized to write a banking code(immediately on completion of his course) can be expected to develop a world class software/or world class packages like AutoCAD/Microstation etc,which needs the same civil/mechanical/ECE,CS etc engineers .If they would have worked for few (say 5 years) in construction/manufacturing then only the individuals will inherently develop the capabilities of the needs of the domains and as a team will develop a good pacakage.In the initial days a company concentrates on core of its operations and after stabilizing they look to develop(diversify) into closely related product development ( sw packages or gadgetsor machinery or work flow systems etc ).63 years is a long time for any country to have excuses in developing a country like ours that has best of natural minerals ,water etc etc.For truth most of the formulae that we use in our daily life have been taught in our curriculum;and some of them are more than enough than various formulae that we learn.Unless we do practical implementation work how can an individual gets an idea what is needed for developing a machinery/a software/a embedded package/a monitoring gadget etc to icrease the productivity;so there’s no excuse for us to say that before independence west are technologically advanced etcetc,and hence the to
Re: Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by srinivasamurthy a on May 27, 2011 11:50 AM
I've recently sent a proposal(by email to HR)to INFOSYS for developing a constructed related software and requested to let me give a demo for outlining the arcitecture of product.The package development needs multi discipline professionals.The experience I'd gained as a civil engineer is put into architectibg this package.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by exit reality on May 27, 2011 07:30 AM
What you have done so far? There is a reality. When there was an opportunity the profit minded people starts or flourish in business. Everything is a business here. Even politics too turned in to business and government is doing their business here forgetting about the social welfare. We need the mindset of people to be changed here. Praising westerners in technologies is not good. Many Indians work in their R&D departments. In India if the governments are not providing opportunity for anybody or people are not willing to invent something is because of the slave mindset created by the colonial rule here. Things are going to change. Some Indian products are started hitting the market Adams tablet(eventhough assembled). It will take time to change the mindset of the people.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by Vinnakota Chaitanya on May 27, 2011 07:44 AM
Sir to do the things you desribed in your writeup, india need to a global player, what i mean to say is it needs to attract foreign talent with excellent infrastrucure and an encouraging government, which is very much absent here.If u see across the work there is significant indian presence in major tech firms and also there is significant indian brain power behind good tech products.Until then we need to do the other kind of work which you described.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by okroal on May 27, 2011 11:16 AM
GUPTAJI IS RIGHT ... BUT GUPTAJI ... INDIANS ARE BASTRDS AND THEY DO NOT HAVE GREAT MINDS OR BRAINS ..WHO CAN THINK OF IINVATIONS ...THEY ARE THUGS, CHEATERS , LOOTERS ... RAPIST ...INDIAN ARE WORST THAN SOMALI PIRATES ...
Re: Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by akpin on May 27, 2011 12:55 AM
why don't you try explaining us. We will really try our best to understand if you try your best to make us understand.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by Harikrishnan Nair on May 27, 2011 01:01 AM
hi
the basics of todays digital system, ones and zeroes, and the zero was discovered in India. So half of what ever developments in the digital world is Indian contribution.
you can see this by the results of our Indian companies and the smart IT engineers from India.
But one thing you said is right, about the OEM development of programs and components. But if you analyse the history and fact, after so much of technological advancement in Ancient India, much of the knowledge was coveted and remained outside the general public. They would have thought of the implications of this knowledge being used in wrong ways. Then there was a medieval age, dark age and age of slavery under mughals and british.
When India got independent, the west were far ahead in modern science and technology. When India was in the ropes of licence raj, the East overtook India and began competing with west in Science and technology. So if you count, only since 1990 the Indian companies had the freedom to grow explosively.
Let us wait and watch for some more Indian excellence in the future
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by raj s on May 27, 2011 10:11 AM
we all know that. But you should understand that Country like India with its po[ulation strength.. if IT Companies doesn't run business here most of us will be job less and pushed to below poverty line. IT people are most tax paying employees in India which is the bog support for India's revenue. So stop cursing or critizing IT.
Re: Most of these companies are body shoppers
by siva none on May 27, 2011 07:28 AM
Fully agreed and has the same feeling since years but cannot do anything. V.Sivasubramaniam
Re: CONGNIZANT IS A USELESS COMPANY WHICH RECRUITS ONLY FLATTERY
by G S on Jun 05, 2011 12:55 PM
Boss u r insulting all tams coz as i heard it recruits only tams
"many of the offshore players were operating with a margin anywhere between 28-32 per cent but the on-site consulting players were operating at 12-14 per cent margin....". CTS pays horrible salaries at onsite compared to their peers like TCS. Ex: For a developer, TCS pays about 65k in US whereas CTS pays 55k. I know some of friends how frustrated they are with sucha low salary structure. Heard they are paid well in India, but now-a-days, all the IT companies of CTS kind are paying more or less same in India.
Further, the main reason for their growth is besides good management team, they are a US based company. This is very important to gain US/UK more projects compared to others. The US based brand itself will make the clients incline towards it becuase they will think whatever money goes out of their pocket, atleast stays with the US company thereby in that country.
TCS, Infy (not sure now), Wipro all got gr8 management team. TCS in particular, everyone else is a copy cat of TCS.
Re: Re: Lowest onsite salalries
by original on May 28, 2011 04:31 AM
If u r real gupta and ur photo is correct ? Look at your photo once and u will have no further question ? Who is and looks like idiot ??
Re: Lowest onsite salalries
by Prashanth Talla on May 26, 2011 08:27 PM
Assuming 10000 employees onsite, with 10k USD difference, their revenue goes up by 100 million USD. This is only in US...now add up in every onsite location.
Re: Re: Lowest onsite salalries
by Amit Paul on May 27, 2011 12:56 PM
mr. talla, cutting down on costs(salary, etc) does not increase your revenue, but your profit. its not a simple math as savings=100million usd, so revenue increasse by 100 million. that is where smart strategy comes in.savings in salary may be smartly reinvetsed which leads to revenue growth. get your business fundas right.
Re: Re: Re: Lowest onsite salalries
by Prashanth Talla on May 27, 2011 10:02 PM
Thanks for correcting, we here are not trying to correct our grammer or finance basics but trying to understand why CTS has grown so fast. If it is indeed due to their excellence, then possibly you/me/other companies could learn something out of it. That shud be the goal here. So the points I put forth are CTS pays very low salaries onsite compared to other similar size Indian IT firms; being a US based company makes it a 1st choice for US/UK clients to choose as its vendor. Note that US constitutes of over 60% of the IT services business and UK over 30%.
Otherwise, the client facing workforce is more or less the same across TCS, Infy, Wipro etc.
